Scoooooooore..... Buying steel friday...

[The Buddha]

Yea.... buying a bunch of it, and not paying much more than last time... whoooo hooooo.... this after steel has doubled in $$$ in the last 6 months.... whooooo hooooo    Bars, new style, 01+ style etc are getting made... Yea just dont ask about the damn case savers...
Cool.
Srinath.

[dgyver]

How are the case savers coming?   :dunno:

[zlei]

Congratz!!

[The Buddha]

Oh yea Dgyver....  :nana:  :x  :nana:  
BTW The case savers are getting made too, but I am in training this week, and as such dont have time till the weekend. The deal with steel, You ahve to buy it when its there, they cant order a whole truck for my 20 feet, and their sales are lower now cos the $$$ have gone up, and many people are waiting on the projects that can wait that involve a lot of steel... So I called around and someone had it, and it was just pennies per lb more than last time... so I said whooo hooo.
Cool.
Srinath.

[Lukewarm Wilson]

The Riddle of Steel - Thulsa Doom's Version
Yes! You know what it is don't you boy.
Shall I tell you? It's the least I can do.

Steel isn't strong boy, flesh is stronger!

Look around you.
There, on the rocks, that beautiful girl
Come to me my child..


That is strength boy! That is power!
What is Steel compared to the hand that wields it?

Look at the strength in your body,

the desire in your heart, I gave you this!

All this talk about steel now I can't get the above out of my head
:lol:  have to admit did love the Conan movies.
But I digress
How long and how much for the handle bars with shipping to Australia
Thanks  

[aplitz]

Why does this seem like Ford announcing that it will sell Explorers with Firestones again?

[Blueknyt]

The Riddle of Steel

Conan the barbarian

AH nold and James Earl Jones

[The Buddha]

Yes yes firestone and Pinto with exploding gas tanks, and just to make sure I am going to give aaaaa...hnold some steel and have him bash the tanks....
Cool.
Srinath.

[aplitz]

Excellent job deflecting through vaguely coherent attempts at humor, I for one am impresed.  Srinath, your sophomoric levity lends a glimpse into your personality, showing quite clearly how you are able to continue making a product that is poorly conceived, you really don't take this seriously.  

Handlebars are no place to cut corners, and your bars while admittedly altered from the state in which they failed, are still an unproven design.  After the Firestone incident, Ford did dramatic redesigns to Explorers and following the subsequent recall, changed tire suppliers all together.  Today, if Ford offered an Explorer with Firestones and there were an incident, Ford would be eaten alive by lawsuits.

Why tempt fate?  Why assume that you can build a better bar when yours have failed in the past?  Is there that much profit to be made?  I doubt it.  Are you producing an item that is universally unobtainable?  Hardly.  So why?  Continuing to produce an inferior product makes no sense, and your flippant attitude in the face of serious considerations should be a stern warning to anyone wanting to buy a product from you.  Potential buyers, is this the type of mentality you want backing the product your life depends on at every turn?

Aaron

[tt_four]

whoa there, someone know's how to crash a good mood, i've been trying to get srinath to make me some bars, and after your little outburst there, i'd buy like 6 pairs if i had the money

if i bought bars from him, and i looked them over, and they didn't look safe, i wouldn't put them on my bike, end of story, but if i put them on, and something happened, that'd be my own fault,

[aplitz]

They have aleady broken on at least 2 people.  Exactly 2 too many.  It would be your own fault only if you bought them without knowning their track record.  We could only hope that you emerged from the wreckage well enough to realize that your bargain $40 handlebar turned out to be not such a great deal.

[90gs500]

sorry, i'm new so could you please post a pic of the bars you make?

Are they lower?

Derek

[Lukewarm Wilson]

blah blah
after that nice long winded post I decided to read the recall post again, as I thought he had found the problem with the others and the way to fix it.
I'm wondering did you read that post before writing the above or just took it on yourself to make a complaint about something you only THOUGHT you knew, I'm sure if srinath was going to try again with them he will have learned from his previous mistakes.
You are right in 2 breaks are 2 too many but Ford and everyother manufacturer are still there producing vehicles and people still buy them because everyone makes mistakes as long as they learn from them.
So why not give the benefit of the doubt that they will come out correct and the lesson was learn't.
If you have read most of the post previous post on handle bars there are plenty aftermarket ones that flex and are made from crap materials.
But I will let Srinath speak for himself on this, well atleast some more, but as he has been a good source for info on this site we can allow the odd mistake (not to many though :lol: )
anyway take a chill pill calm down and let the man at least try with out whiners complaining to him

[MarkusN]

sorry, i'm new so could you please post a pic of the bars you make?

Are they lower?

Look at Srinath's avatar. They are clip-ons without being clip-ons, if you get what I mean.

[Kerry]

sorry, i'm new so could you please post a pic of the bars you make?

Here are some pics of "Srinath Bars" mounted on davipu's bike:

Pic 1 / Pic 2 / Pic 3 / Pic 4

EDIT: Changed links from sisna.com to bbburma.net

[The Buddha]

They have aleady broken on at least 2 people.  Exactly 2 too many.  It would be your own fault only if you bought them without knowning their track record.  We could only hope that you emerged from the wreckage well enough to realize that your bargain $40 handlebar turned out to be not such a great deal.

No get your facts straight.... No objection to taking a shot at me... just dont skirt around the facts...
Facts ... They broke on 1 person... onefastvega in a crash.... no ordinary crash too, he hit a truck with the handle bar... literally. They broke. He put up pics... I saw them, printed out the pics and took them to my welder... he saw them and said Bad weld penetration... I issued a recall... Literally 2 hours after seeing the pics. I said take it off and send it back to me... and some people didn't. About a month later they broke on Mp3_eb_tool causing a crash. I was emailing him about sending it back, and at that time I had a alternate set made so I send those to people. He could have swapped them for the other ones, or sent the defective ones back or put the stock ones back on. So 1 broke due to a crash, and 1 broke much after the recall was issued causing a crash. The welds were ground off too much and that resulted in some that were weaker than others.
The third you dont know about.... someone had it break while riding around, he saw it slowly open up at the weld and he welded it   up and emailed me. Of course it was after the recall was made. I took it back and swapped it for better made ones.
The rod being inserted in them, etc etc are all design features meant for making them many times stronger than stock. The 3/16 wall ones were strong as hell, I wanted the 1/8th wall to be just as strong. Hence the rod was inserted. I made a bunch of design upgrades and tested a lot more and ground off the welds a lot less.
The stock bars wont stand 1/10 of the force these will, but the stockers will not break, the stock is 1 piece, it will twist into a pretzel, and stay in 1 piece.
These are the facts, so now let the bullets fly.
BTW this run I think am going to do one of those X ray weld analysis on all of them before seliing them.. For independent confirmation ask davipu to run his bar under the analysis machine... he has access to one.
Oh BTW Davipu never told me he had a 01+, bought the bars that are meant for the 90-00 and has them pointed down, cos he liked it that way. When he stopped by my place on his way across the country, I gave him a choice of the 3 I had at home, some of which fitted better, but he stayed with the ones he had since that downward angle was best for him.... Honestly I wil break about 1/2 dozen before sending out any. Tested in many directions and in shear and twisting and bending.
Cool.
Srinath.

[tt_four]

They have aleady broken on at least 2 people.  Exactly 2 too many.  It would be your own fault only if you bought them without knowning their track record.  We could only hope that you emerged from the wreckage well enough to realize that your bargain $40 handlebar turned out to be not such a great deal.

i wasn't saying something couldn't break, i was just saying that you're being a duck

[Eightmarky]

How bout Case Savers?  

[The Buddha]

Excellent job deflecting through vaguely coherent attempts at humor, I for one am impresed.  Srinath, your sophomoric levity lends a glimpse into your personality, showing quite clearly how you are able to continue making a product that is poorly conceived, you really don't take this seriously.  

Handlebars are no place to cut corners, and your bars while admittedly altered from the state in which they failed, are still an unproven design.  After the Firestone incident, Ford did dramatic redesigns to Explorers and following the subsequent recall, changed tire suppliers all together.  Today, if Ford offered an Explorer with Firestones and there were an incident, Ford would be eaten alive by lawsuits.

Why tempt fate?  Why assume that you can build a better bar when yours have failed in the past?  Is there that much profit to be made?  I doubt it.  Are you producing an item that is universally unobtainable?  Hardly.  So why?  Continuing to produce an inferior product makes no sense, and your flippant attitude in the face of serious considerations should be a stern warning to anyone wanting to buy a product from you.  Potential buyers, is this the type of mentality you want backing the product your life depends on at every turn?

Aaron

OK no deflection... I thought we have gone over this a bunch of times... so didn't want to add to the discussion at that time, Conan was brought up by the others not me, I am not some self aggrandising politician to try to be serious and make me look better with every post, being silly when posting here has no bearing on how seroius I do my work ... I am the first usually to call my own bikes or things I have "piece of crap"... and its cost me many a sale. It has no bearing on how serious I take these things. Universally un obtainable... once again... $140 is in some people's eyes too much for handle bars. I have heard people say $40 is high. I in fact made a loss to date on handle bars. I always tell people about posts that people have made critisizing my work before they buy... I want them to know there is a different point of view also out there... because there are a lot of newbies that come up and look at information on here as gospel.
Cool.
Srinath.

[MarkusN]

see Srinath's long post a few above yours. It has an explanation in the last paragraph or so.