...and I guess it's society's fault this happened...

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ghettorigged

August 10, 2004, 10:53:42 AM
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perfdrug

#1
August 10, 2004, 11:06:45 AM
pocketbikes are alright with me when
1) they're only used away from EVERYTHING

that is all.

we race them on the top floors of parking structures, but only if there's 0 cars parked up there.

Zarathustra

#2
August 10, 2004, 11:14:04 AM
i'd say it's more the moron's fault who was on the bike.  one less chump in the gene pool.
"Words only come when everything is over, when things have calmed down. They refer only to memory, and are either powerless or untruthful."
"There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't."

ghettorigged

#3
August 10, 2004, 11:17:29 AM
Quote from: Zarathustrai'd say it's more the moron's fault who was on the bike.  one less chump in the gene pool.

I agree but I bet you a Twinkie his parents try to sue the cops for killing their son.  :x
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chinox22x

#4
August 10, 2004, 11:19:21 AM
Quote from: Zarathustrai'd say it's more the moron's fault who was on the bike.  one less chump in the gene pool.


that's pretty cold.

granted he had no business in the streets on a pocket bike at 3am in the morning.  regardless, a guy died and i'm sure he didn't deserve it since its a death without a cause.  :(
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Zarathustra

#5
August 10, 2004, 11:23:29 AM
how many people's deaths are with a cause?  very very few.  desrving to die, and not does not make a difference.  this kid was first, breaking the law by riding a pocket bike on the street.  second, breaking a law by running from the cops.  third, wearing no gear, and no helmet.  fourth, riding outside his limits (obviously).  yeah, it's tough that a kid died, but it's his own fault.  blaming anyone else is to misplace blame.  i'm just glad the cops didn't hit anyone, and that no one else got hurt while they were trying to chase this guy.
"Words only come when everything is over, when things have calmed down. They refer only to memory, and are either powerless or untruthful."
"There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't."

octane

#6
August 10, 2004, 11:24:25 AM
Not my son, he was such a nice boy.

chinox22x

#7
August 10, 2004, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: Zarathustrahow many people's deaths are with a cause?  very very few.  desrving to die, and not does not make a difference.  this kid was first, breaking the law by riding a pocket bike on the street.  second, breaking a law by running from the cops.  third, wearing no gear, and no helmet.  fourth, riding outside his limits (obviously).  yeah, it's tough that a kid died, but it's his own fault.  blaming anyone else is to misplace blame.  i'm just glad the cops didn't hit anyone, and that no one else got hurt while they were trying to chase this guy.

i lost my youngest brother 2 years ago..he was 18.  i suppose you just don't understand.

i'm not blaming anyone for this guy's death..not even him.  its a judgement call that he obviously should have not done.  saying he deserves it is just plain cold to me.  i'm sure someone out there that loves him dearly is currently suffering.  is that their fault too?
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Zarathustra

#8
August 10, 2004, 11:47:49 AM
well see, someone has to be blamed.  someone is at fault here.  this is not a no fault case, someone has died, someone messed up.  i see that as being the person who was killed.  if he made a bad judgement call (many bad judgement calls that i see), then that implies that it was his fault.  as for the grieving person at home, that is also this kid's fault.  he should have looked at what he was doing, and thought about the consequences.  have i done stupid things that could have gotten me killed, sure, and it would have been my fault.  i didn't mean to say this kid deserved to die, i just used that word in conjunction with your cause about there being no reason for him to have died.  whether or not he deserved to, it is irrelevant.  i feel bad for the parents and what not, but this kid didn't think things through correctly and paid for it.  it's tough, but it's life.

/maybe i'm cold.
"Words only come when everything is over, when things have calmed down. They refer only to memory, and are either powerless or untruthful."
"There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't."

Blueknyt

#9
August 10, 2004, 12:05:34 PM
the blame falls on the rider.  ive said it before, and i will say it again:


Stupidity:  The only Crime against nature that carries a Death penaty. Often it isnt the stupid one who dies, but they are always involed and THEY are "always at fault"
Accelerate like your being chased, Corner like you mean it, Brake as if you life depends on it.
Ride Hard...or go home.

Its you Vs the pavement.....who wins today?

The Buddha

#10
August 10, 2004, 12:30:08 PM
I am with Zara and bluknyt... Sorta... He could have taken out a kid walking down the street, or darted out in front of a bus, making the bus stomp on the brakes and caused a pile up.... Glad more people didn't get hurt/killed, while deplorable as it is... had the potential to be much worse... having said that those damn mini bikes... well parents should really pay attention to what their kids are doing. In all honesty I'll bet the parents think the mini bikes are very safe, and real bikes are very dangerous... and hence think ok Its like a skate board and dont think twice... he buys a bike and they will be lecturing him every day about how risky that is... educate the whole damn society... before blaming society... The Kid's fault, and/or the parents fault... BTW find out who paid for the thing... I'll bet its one of the more responsible people in the kids life. Sad thing... lawyers will probably pin it on the police and succeed.
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raylarrabee

#11
August 10, 2004, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: seshadri_srinathSad thing... lawyers will probably pin it on the police and succeed.
Cool.
Srinath.

Hey!  We're not all bad...and if you say that again, I'll sue you!  :nono:
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The Buddha

#12
August 10, 2004, 12:42:49 PM
Oh no I am selling parts to a lawyer... Oh no...  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
If you are a real lawyer you'd have a harley...  :?  ... something must be wrong with you... and you have John Belushi in your avatar... What sorta lawyer are you.
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brandiwine

#13
August 10, 2004, 02:24:58 PM
The thing that is annoying about this  to me is that the police decided to "pull him over" in the first place.  Of course I don't know all the circumstances, but it was 3 am,  and yeah, they're not street legal, etc... but he was riding in an alley and my stance on most things in life is Less Government Intervention.  There are tons of pro's and con's on both sides of the argument, I know, but police just bug me.  

Let the kid have his fun in the alley and leave him alone....next time, of course.
brandi

Zarathustra

#14
August 10, 2004, 02:41:27 PM
see the problem is where do you draw the line on your stance?  should the cops just drive by and let someone smoke his crack in peace?  maybe they should let him set off illegal fireworks while smoking crack, after snorting a rail.  i mean, it's really hard to draw the line.  in my mind, if it's illegal, you know it's illegal when you do it, and you accept the responcibility for your behavior.  sure i do illegal things, as do most people, and when you get caught, you deal with it.  the cops were doing nothing wrong.
"Words only come when everything is over, when things have calmed down. They refer only to memory, and are either powerless or untruthful."
"There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't."

snapper

#15
August 10, 2004, 02:41:47 PM
Some of the blame falls directly on the parents shoulders.  A lot of parents today do not hold their children accountable - hell some of the parents today have yet to grow up.  We live in a society where kids have no respect for anyone, including their parents.  Bill Cosby is right... but he hasn't gone far enough.  It is not just one race that is not parenting...its every race.

Parents- wake up and be a parent!  If you truely love your kids set rules and limitations.  Use threats that you can and will follow thru with.  I am not talking corporal punishment (though I am not against a spanking- hell some kids need a thwack upside the head!)...

Kids have too much power these days.. they are the "alpha" because parents let them be.

A guy I dated in highschool had no rules or anything.  He didn't understand why my parents did.  Most of the rules were reasonable rules so I abided by them with no problem.  He wanted me to break those rules one night and was asking me why I wouldn't.  My answer to him was "my parents love me, they want whats best.  I would have no rules if they didn't care, but they do care."   Needless to say we never had that discussion again.

I hate to see kids hurt like this.  And you will always have some kids breaking the rules regardless.. but it has to start somewhere.  Public schools should not raise our kids.  They should not be where kids learn ethics.  It's not the teachers job.  Too many parents think that teachers (or someone else besides themselves) should do this.   :nono:    
If you are a parent BE a PARENT!  Love your kids with all you've got.  

Ok-- stepping off the soap box now.

:cheers:
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Eleanor Roosevelt

The Antibody

#16
August 10, 2004, 02:57:09 PM
The whole situation just plain stinks. This kid being a dumbass by running is the only cause. They probably WILL sue the cops and win. THAT is the problem with society. People don't take resonsibility for their actions. It just plain stinks, but the 19 yr old didn't have to do what he did. Plain and simple.

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brandiwine

#17
August 10, 2004, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Zarathustrasee the problem is where do you draw the line on your stance?  should the cops just drive by and let someone smoke his crack in peace?  maybe they should let him set off illegal fireworks while smoking crack, after snorting a rail.  i mean, it's really hard to draw the line.  in my mind, if it's illegal, you know it's illegal when you do it, and you accept the responcibility for your behavior.  sure i do illegal things, as do most people, and when you get caught, you deal with it.  the cops were doing nothing wrong.

true, it's hard to figure out where to draw the lines.  an example is that kids ride their bikes on the sidewalk because it's safer, but that illegal.  growing up i rode all over my town on my bicycle using the sidewalks and parking lots mostly, and the streets when they weren't busy.  never once did i get i get scolded.

it's all relative and i just have reservations and a general arms length attitude when it comes to autority figures who have the power to screw with my life in a permanent way.
brandi

pianopraze

#18
August 10, 2004, 03:06:11 PM
it is definately a no win case.. bout i say BOTH were at fault... police are refining rules for when they chase and this is good and it is due to all the lawsuits being raised.

more and more people are not trusting what police say... it used to be a he said she said with the police always winning in court.. but more and more the police are the ones not believed (see this article: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b38b0f2514a.htm)

why???

well, i think there are plenty of posts on this forum... we as bikers see it more and more... i have only been pulled over twice... and both time they were bs charges. my first i was to young to know you could fight it second one was reduced to court charges and basically dismissed... the officer wouldn't show up to court. why? he lied trying to get his "quota" for the month.

are all police bad? no ... but a few apples.....................

here

Roadstergal

#19
August 10, 2004, 03:23:16 PM
The kid was definitly to blame for the three things he did wrong in a row (biking where he shouldn't have, running from the cops, not wearing gear).  As far as blaming his parents goes - he was 19.  Without more data, we don't know if he has a job and lives on his own and was being a jackass on his own watch.  If his parents/guardians bought him the bike without gear or lessons, they bear some culpability as well, though.
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