CBR600 Rear shock

The Buddha · February 11, 2005, 02:40:30 PM

Yup ... That whole issue of bolt quality comes into play ... in 6 years I opened up my carbs like 100 times ... these are better than steel which rusts and galls and rips the threads ... and the whole issue of bolt quality is also a question ... Metric stuff off the shelf is total shaZam! ... besides its a Cheap ass aluminum alloy carb ... you're not supposed to torque these like they are lug nuts on a Tractor trailer ...
Cool.
Srinath.

cummuterguy · February 12, 2005, 09:54:03 PM

Quotewhat irritates me is that THIS WAS SETTLED. He comes into just about any thread you post in, acting like you're trying to make a buck from this.... he doesn't get it... that you AREN'T making money on this. That you're saving US money, because the bolts you use work fine. I have them, I've toyed with them and with the 'correct' size and they are the same. same play when nearly screwed in, and if you hold the threads together NO light shows through

I completely agree. I'm tired of the guy picking on Srinath, when he apparently has researched everything EXCEPT real world application.

While I havent messed with these particular bolts, as an ASE Master Tech, and after 16 years of wrenching, my theory is "if it works, and continues to work without problems, use it"

tkm433 · February 13, 2005, 07:24:09 PM

Quote from: cummuterguy
Quotewhat irritates me is that THIS WAS SETTLED. He comes into just about any thread you post in, acting like you're trying to make a buck from this.... he doesn't get it... that you AREN'T making money on this. That you're saving US money, because the bolts you use work fine. I have them, I've toyed with them and with the 'correct' size and they are the same. same play when nearly screwed in, and if you hold the threads together NO light shows through

I completely agree. I'm tired of the guy picking on Srinath, when he apparently has researched everything EXCEPT real world application.

While I havent messed with these particular bolts, as an ASE Master Tech, and after 16 years of wrenching, my theory is "if it works, and continues to work without problems, use it"

I am sorry if you feel that I am picking on Srinath every chance that he post but that is not the case. I pointed out that I felt it was wrong for him to use non-metric bolts in carbs that were threaded to use metric no matter how close he felt the fit was to being correct. I think my main issue was that he was working on carbs for other people and was getting paid to do so and he was using the wrong bolts to reassemble the carbs. If he wants to super-glue, duct tape, zip-tie, JB weld his own bike together I have no problem with that since it is his bike but when it comes to a customers set of carbs I feel that he should only use the correct size part and not one that he feels will do the job.

I think he is doing good for the GS500 community in making handle bars, fork braces and just about everything else and just for being there to help those who are in need and anyone who vistits this site knows that but the only real issue that I have had concerns the use of the wrong size bolts since you should know better being a ASE Master Tech that Metric threads and SAE or USS sizes are not interchangeable. I have never seen it in print where a Haynes, Chiltons, Toyota, Isuzu, Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda or any other Tech manual has stated that Metric was interchangeable with SAE or USS sizes and I would bet that none of the manuals that you studied to become an ASE Master Tech stated it either.

As for your comment "I'm tired of the guy( tkm433 or real name Tod) picking on Srinath, when he apparently has researched everything EXCEPT real world application" I guess you are correct in some part in that I have never tried to thread a Non-Metric bolt into a hole that was threaded for a Metric bolt just in hopes that it might fit. Maybe I did when I was a kid and did not know any better but that was almost 30 years ago.

As for real world applications I have been getting paid to turn a wrecnh for the last 25 years with a couple of years in speciality automotive and have done all of the work on my own motorcycles two-stroke and four-stroke and all of my cars and trucks unless I did not have special tools needed for the job.

Some how I managed to piss a few off on this site because I questioned Srinath's actiions and maybe I had a sound argument or maybe it is just that I dared to question him but for whatever reason I find it funny that I pointed out a simple view about bolts in maybe four different topics of his 7000 plus postings and I am accused of picking on him. Do the math: 7000 posting by Srinath and maybe half a dozen replies by me that disagree

?? I think he is doing very well for himself and his knowledge of the GS500 if I have only managed to disagree with him so few times.

Just a note: If I see a post that I feel represents bad info that could damage one's bike or their lives I will post a reply with my 2 cents worth of info and a reason why, just so that ones on this site and others that I visit will have a choice and be better able to decide their course of actions from clip-ons to tire fitment and everything else motorcycle related.

Sorry if I pissed in your Corn Flakes!

tkm433

cummuterguy · February 13, 2005, 08:08:04 PM

s'ok... sent you a pm, Tod.

didn't mean to upset ya by calling you "the guy" I was just too lazy to scroll down and re-read how your name went. I'm sorry. Let's just keep this stuff out of other peoples threads shall we?

se7enty7 · February 13, 2005, 08:27:38 PM

Quote from: tkm433
Quote from: cummuterguy
Quotewhat irritates me is that THIS WAS SETTLED. He comes into just about any thread you post in, acting like you're trying to make a buck from this.... he doesn't get it... that you AREN'T making money on this. That you're saving US money, because the bolts you use work fine. I have them, I've toyed with them and with the 'correct' size and they are the same. same play when nearly screwed in, and if you hold the threads together NO light shows through

I completely agree. I'm tired of the guy picking on Srinath, when he apparently has researched everything EXCEPT real world application.

While I havent messed with these particular bolts, as an ASE Master Tech, and after 16 years of wrenching, my theory is "if it works, and continues to work without problems, use it"

I am sorry if you feel that I am picking on Srinath every chance that he post but that is not the case. I pointed out that I felt it was wrong for him to use non-metric bolts in carbs that were threaded to use metric no matter how close he felt the fit was to being correct. I think my main issue was that he was working on carbs for other people and was getting paid to do so and he was using the wrong bolts to reassemble the carbs. If he wants to super-glue, duct tape, zip-tie, JB weld his own bike together I have no problem with that since it is his bike but when it comes to a customers set of carbs I feel that he should only use the correct size part and not one that he feels will do the job.

I think he is doing good for the GS500 community in making handle bars, fork braces and just about everything else and just for being there to help those who are in need and anyone who vistits this site knows that but the only real issue that I have had concerns the use of the wrong size bolts since you should know better being a ASE Master Tech that Metric threads and SAE or USS sizes are not interchangeable. I have never seen it in print where a Haynes, Chiltons, Toyota, Isuzu, Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda or any other Tech manual has stated that Metric was interchangeable with SAE or USS sizes and I would bet that none of the manuals that you studied to become an ASE Master Tech stated it either.

As for your comment"I'm tired of the guy( tkm433 or real name Tod) picking on Srinath, when he apparently has researched everything EXCEPT real world application" I guess you are correct in some part in that I have never tried to thread a Non-Metric bolt into a hole that was threaded for a Metric bolt just in hopes that it might fit. Maybe I did when I was a kid and did not know any better but that was almost 30 years ago.

As for real world applications I have been getting paid to turn a wrecnh for the last 25 years with a couple of years in speciality automotive and have done all of the work on my own motorcycles two-stroke and four-stroke and all of my cars and trucks unless I did not have special tools needed for the job.

Some how I mangaed to piss a few off on this site because I questioned Srinath actiions and maybe I had a sound argument or maybe it is just that I dared to question him but for what ever reason I find it funny that I pointed out a simple view about bolts in maybe four differnent topics of his 7000 plus postings and I am accused of picking on him. Do the math: 7000 posting by Srinath and maybe half a dozen replies by me that disagree ?? I think he is doing very well for himself and his knowledge of the GS500 if I have only managed to disagree with him so few times.

Just a note: If I see post that I feel repesent bad info that could damage ones bike or their lives I will post a reply with my 2 cents worth of info and a reason why just so that ones on this site and others that I visit will have a choice and be better able to decide their course of actions from clip-ons to tire fitment and everything else motorcycle related.

Sorry if I pissed in your Corn Flakes!

tkm433

You did piss in MY corn flakes.

1) until you've actually TRIED this, then you have NO valid argument.
2) MY problem isn't that you questioned srinath, his methods, or ANYTHING. It's that you walk in on ANY thread he posts in and bring it up. AGAIN.

Anyone who has actually read through your argument will see it DOESN'T hold up. You are arguing what you "think" doesn't work vs. what WORKS, what is time-tested PROVEN to work, etc.

The Buddha · February 13, 2005, 10:13:53 PM

OK TKM ... you missed the point and are also misquoting me.
I didn't say Machine thread bolts belong in a Metric threaded hole. OK please remember and quote what I am saying.
The machine thread stainless Allen head bolts available at Home depot/Lowes are better than the Metric steel allen head bolts available at Home depot/Lowes. Not equal, not identical ... better ... You really need to get off the shelf metric crap and try it. bends, wide variations in thread and dia and rusting etc common ... The SS machine stuff ... far better. Yes I understand You want me to buy 100 lot bolts from a Bolt company ... costs a lot more, I'd have enough to last 3-4 years ... and heck I may never get around to using it up ... real world, practical useage is poor for that option ... and guess what I'll ahve to charge more ... People that want those bolts will send me bolts as I have already asked them in that rejet sticky ... guess what ... I have got no bolts so far ...
Cool.
Srinath.

se7enty7 · February 13, 2005, 10:40:09 PM

Quote from: seshadri_srinathOK TKM ... you missed the point and are also misquoting me.
I didn't say Machine thread bolts belong in a Metric threaded hole. OK please remember and quote what I am saying.
The machine thread stainless Allen head bolts available at Home depot/Lowes are better than the Metric steel allen head bolts available at Home depot/Lowes. Not equal, not identical ... better ... You really need to get off the shelf metric crap and try it. bends, wide variations in thread and dia and rusting etc common ... The SS machine stuff ... far better. Yes I understand You want me to buy 100 lot bolts from a Bolt company ... costs a lot more, I'd have enough to last 3-4 years ... and heck I may never get around to using it up ... real world, practical useage is poor for that option ... and guess what I'll ahve to charge more ... People that want those bolts will send me bolts as I have already asked them in that rejet sticky ... guess what ... I have got no bolts so far ...
Cool.
Srinath.

TKM lets dumb it down. Take it down to just numbers.

you have a bolt.. sized 2, with tolerances within 10% (actual bolt could be 1.8, or could be 2.2)
Then you have a BETTER quality size 1.98, with tolerances of .5%... that bolt could be anywhere from 1.97 to 1.99

If you NEED an industry "2". Which bolt would you pick? an 'actual' 2 could be too large, enlarging the threads OR could very well be too thin. OR you could get a 1.9 that is a 1 point 9 but is PROVEN to work for your application?

tkm433 · February 14, 2005, 02:11:05 AM

Quote from: cummuterguys'ok... sent you a pm, Tod.

didn't mean to upset ya by calling you "the guy" I was just too lazy to scroll down and re-read how your name went. I'm sorry. Let's just keep this stuff out of other peoples threads shall we?

Sent you a pm and will respect your wishes!

Tod

tkm433 · February 14, 2005, 02:14:09 AM

Quote from: seshadri_srinathOK TKM ... you missed the point and are also misquoting me.
I didn't say Machine thread bolts belong in a Metric threaded hole. OK please remember and quote what I am saying.
The machine thread stainless Allen head bolts available at Home depot/Lowes are better than the Metric steel allen head bolts available at Home depot/Lowes. Not equal, not identical ... better ... You really need to get off the shelf metric crap and try it. bends, wide variations in thread and dia and rusting etc common ... The SS machine stuff ... far better. Yes I understand You want me to buy 100 lot bolts from a Bolt company ... costs a lot more, I'd have enough to last 3-4 years ... and heck I may never get around to using it up ... real world, practical useage is poor for that option ... and guess what I'll ahve to charge more ... People that want those bolts will send me bolts as I have already asked them in that rejet sticky ... guess what ... I have got no bolts so far ...
Cool.
Srinath.

As requested by a friend of yours I sent you a PM so as to not keep this going.

tkm433

The Buddha · February 14, 2005, 11:05:14 AM

What ... I didn't get a PM ... anyway ... yea dont bring up bolts in a Shock thread ... and we're good ... no PM needed ... You can post it in the carb sticky thread ... where its relevant.
Cool.
Srinath.

Pavlos01 · February 18, 2005, 03:02:02 AM

Now I know that this thred has raised several disagreements but for the fact of it .. the shock fitted just fine..

Now I had to take of a bit of metal from the bottom part, like you do for the GSXR shock, and it fits just fine .....

And guess what, its a lot better than the bandit or the GSXF I would think, because is a lot closer to size to the original shock of the GS and now I don't need to legnthen my sidestand, and feels great its of'course a lot stiffer than the old one, even the bandit one .......

Anyways all is well
Pavlos

The Buddha · February 18, 2005, 07:29:16 AM

How ... How OK 1 sec ...
OK did the shock look like this ...

http://houseofmotorcycles.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/showschematic~dept_id~218186.asp

That is a 92 CBR 600 shock ... Its eyelet at both ends ... OK maybe in europe it was different ...
Cool.
Srinath.

Pavlos01 · February 18, 2005, 07:45:59 AM

Hi,

No its actually pre 91, that is actually like ours....

Its pretty old by I found it in a junk yard totally unused, no rust or anything on it ...

Pavlos

Pavlos01 · February 18, 2005, 07:50:39 AM

I actually have the SAWA product number if is any help ..

Pavlos

The Buddha · February 18, 2005, 07:53:24 AM

Its this then ...

http://houseofmotorcycles.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/showschematic~dept_id~173808.asp

Cool ... great job finding another option ... That should fit cos its eyelet, clevise ... Like I said ... if it fits ... worth runing round the block to see what it feels like ...
Cool.
Srinath

werase643 · February 18, 2005, 08:04:09 AM

Srinath...the Hurricane shock is eye....clevis
F2-up are eye.....eye

Tod....you make fun of trying to install Honda parts on a Suzuki....
what suspension do you have on your Yamaha???

Question Srinath as much as you want......
John hasn't stepped in and threatened you to leave him alone.
the only person kicked off that i remember....temp.... was JABBA for his goat fuc*ing picture.

I always question Srinath
he kept telling me his 47,000 mile GS was slap wore out....
and I ran some tests on it and it was in decent shape... it leaked buckets of oil but ran good
compression was still 150-160 range

I question why he even wastes his time making parts for cheap bastards with cheap bikes... it is not for the profit....
i still haven't figured why he does it.

tkm433 · February 19, 2005, 12:51:52 AM

Quote from: werase643Srinath...the Hurricane shock is eye....clevis
F2-up are eye.....eye

Tod....you make fun of trying to install Honda parts on a Suzuki....
what suspension do you have on your Yamaha???

I guess I am busted but my main point on the Honda CBR600 shock is that the spring rate is going to be way off for a proper fit on the GS500. Also the Katana and GSXR rear shocks do not require new bushing to fit the GS500. The main problem that one runs into to a change in ride heigth. If one can find the linkage from a 89 GS500 it will allow for a Katana shock to fit with with very little change in the ride height.

Lets see on my RZ it has a R6 rear shock adapted to a FZ600 swinagarm which was modified to fit the frame which uses a highly modified CBR600F2 rear wheel and for the front the bike has a NSR250 MC21 fork adapted to fit and a CBR600F2 front wheel. The front brakes use a GSXR750 master cylinder with the four piston NSR250 calipers with stainless steel brake lines from a CBR600F4 if I recall?! The Bike uses a Kawasaski clutch lever with a GS500 clutch cable. The cooling fan for the radiator is from TL or SV1000 and the list keeps going so yes I make or modify stuff to fit but in the case of suspension if you check the stock R6 spring rate and the stock RZ350 spring rate you will notice they are very close and since I am at 190lbs myself a little stiffer spring might work better.

The Buddha · February 19, 2005, 05:21:29 PM

OK Your RZ ... is the equivalent of alphabet soup ... in 13 different non english script based languages ... :lol: :lol: :lol:
The GS parts ... when I make the first iteration ... usually I waste so much trying different things and seeing what works etc ... I make a small loss ... the second version onwards ... happy to say I clean up the process to take away a small profit ... Lucky for me I have a decent scrap yard in town, and I have some decent people doing the menial labor ... who I am happy to pay for the work they do and the use of their equipment and shop ... ergo ... I want to help both sides by keeping them working in the lean times ... and parts for the guys in the site ...
Cool.
Srinath.

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