wheelies

[frankieG]

anybody got any info on wheelies???

buy a sportbike  :mrgreen:

[94suzuki500]

grow some balls, the gs is capable.

[Blueknyt]

A Moped is capable, a Bicycle is capable, but many other Bikes could do the job better with less flogging and less strain on the bike and ALL of them can Hurt you badly.

Balls has nothing to do with those facts.

[Susuki_Jah]

you can always make the gs just as easy to play with too you know , bigger sprocket and new performance clutch. mmmmm

[Blueknyt]

the GS wouldnt be my first choice for stunting, even slow speed stuff. rather get a Digger (dirtbike) or dual sport that wont get hurt as easy in a drop. is lighter and bigger fins for cooling a lowerspeeds. you can always Lace up 17" rims to use street tires just like the GS, or get extra set for switching out.  learn not to fall in soft stuff so its less likly to happen on hard stuff.

Ive done wheelies, while not proficiant i wasnt willing to push it with my only transpo at the time.
i have no problems doing rolling burnouts, or rolling endos.  

ive warped 3 front rotors and burned up 5 sets of front pads in a year and cooked a set of clutch plates and Numerous tires.   frankly a lighter bike is easier to do all those things.

[stefman722]

must teach me about rolling burnouts!

[94suzuki500]

someone said get a sport bike.  If they cant do them on a gs then they cant on a sport bike.  So maybe it does have to do with growing balls and realizing you dont need somthing fast to pull one on.  If you cant on a gs you are pretty much to scared to try.

[Blueknyt]

lets try this again
wheelies CAN BE DONE on DAMN NEAR anything.   we got that covered right? good.

The GS is underpowered, yes you could play with gearing for easy ups, but then your going to be trailering the GS around as the gearing would need to be so low to keep the engine from working too hard(it is aircooled incase you dont know)  that riding to get from A to B would be Most unfun,Use gobs of fuel and your top speed will be down around 60mph for 8krpms.  Most newer SPORT bikes create more power and most are watercooled.  lower gearing helps here too mainly for better degree of control using throttle only.  Dirtbikes or dual sports make thier power abit lower RPM's and the band is generaly abit wider(2 strokes may differ), but is also Much lighter and ballence points are much differnt.

Sportbikes and Dirt/Dualsport bikes have power and/or weight and in some cases the ability to withstand the beating of being stunted FAR better then the GS500.

so i say again BALLS has nothing to do with it.

ive seen a Fatboy wheelie, ive seen a Goldwing wheelie (scared the shaZam! outa everyone around including the driver) but these bikes including the GS500/E/F would NOT be first choice for doing these things. I have done them and while light and nimble, being Aircooled and limited power theGS is not practical as a stunting bike, even to really learn on.

a stunter i use to ride with used his TL1000, he put the huge rear sprocket on back and had a ball(loved the slow wheelies), but it would redline at 70mph in topgear so using it for transpo sucked. even to get to his "Playground" was a hassle, and changing sprokets/wheels setups got old to him real quick.

ive wheelied the GS to the top of 3rd a few times and its alot of work for that engine. ive done the feet up figure 8 burnouts. its hell on tires,chains and clutches and engine really gets hot fast, i droped it a few times doing it too. and ive done the rolling endo's, that beats the hell out of forks/seals,steering bearings, swingarm bearings and shock linkages, wheel bearings, FRONT rotors get dished/warped fast, and pads get worn out in hurry. parts get expensive quick. it will on everything stunted.


IF you want to stunt Fine, get a bike to stunt with that has the power to spare and wont work itself to expiration inside of an hour with no airflow across its pre watercooled airfins.

an old racers saying
you dont toy with your ride and you dont ride your toy.
if your stunting, to get good you will have to be bad first, YOU WILL DROP IT. YOU WILL FALL. dont do this on your transpo bike.
Also a known truth for you,  DIRT is far more forgiving then pavement when you land. again this isnt a balls thing its pure fact.  Cops are less likly to mess with you ripping in an empty feild away from traffic then you riping down mainstreet or the highway.


If your gonna stunt your GS500, then you will become very knowledgeable about fixing it like the rest of the Guru's have.
you will then see what we are saying is indeed truth and not simply a messurement of testicular fortitude.

[weaselnoze]

lets try this again
wheelies CAN BE DONE on DAMN NEAR anything.   we got that covered right? good.

damn straight! i do wheelies on my friends 50cc dirtbike all the time! its crazy small

[Phaedrus]

That brings me to have two questions:

1) I am not interested in wheelie'ing my GS, but I see it was mentioned that changing the sprocket for a lower gear ratio is a bad idea. I've read on here others have done this to give a little more low end and passing power. So..is it a good idea or a bad idea? Again, not interested in stunting..just casual riding, mostly at speeds under 70mph. hm.

2) How DO you wheelie a 50cc scooter? I've tried and tried on my Yamaha Zuma 50cc scooter and it seems impossible. But yet, I've seen it done. Any tips?? It sure isn't going to do a power wheelie, and there is no clutch to dump..so..? Whats the secret?

[weaselnoze]

well its one of those clutchless shifters.  down is neutral and 1,2,3 are up.  wind out first gear fairly high and pop the shifter into 2nd as quick as u can without letting off the throttle.  its a lil honda dirtbike cxr50 or something i forget.

and on the sproket.  from what i have gathered its not a 'bad' idea.  it depends what you want.  you will shift sooner than before and u will lose some top speed, u will accelerate faster in the low rpms than before.

[94suzuki500]

gearing?  why.  who said anything about racing.  anyways most dirtbikes are aircooled too just incase you didnt know.  so be carefull while doing wheelies it might hurt them cause they will heat up to fast.  and anyways you are like 40 and ride a gs still, I am 17.  why dont you post a video of yourself doing those 3rd gear wheelies anyways.

[weaselnoze]

who r we talkin about here?

[Blueknyt]

17 and it shows.

im 33, was 17 once and survived, your turn.

yeah some dirtbikes are aircooled most have larger number of fins to shed the heat. even to that point most the modern stuff is watercooled above so many cc's.  did we for get their power to weight ratio as well as how the overall weight is spred front to rear?

yeah, i still ride the GS, its fun for the kind of bike it is. GSjack is one of our older members, he wrecked one, and bought another. the gs500 is one of a few bikes i have, and wont be the last. Dont see what my age has anything to do with owning and rideing a GS please explain it to me, i would love to read it.

post of video of 3rd gear wheelie on my gs, hmmm, i exp;ained i did it a few times, explained that it was hard on the engine and the front end. i should do this again and post it for you why? oh yeah, must be that balls thing again. kinda hung on that concept arnt cha. tell you what, you win.

People of the GStwins community, i vote we should fallow Young master 94suzuki500 teachings, his 17 years experience and countless miles on numerous bikes would indeed benefit us all. I also vote to place his name among the rest of the GSGuru's. For he is the infinaite source of wisdom on all that is 2 wheels.

happy?

[Phaedrus]

Haha, that was good...

I also don't see what age has to do with what bike you ride. There is nothing wrong with a GS. It isn't just for 17 year olds. There is nothing wrong with a GS if you have 1 year or 50 years of experience. Ride what you want, I say.

Wheelie it or not, Race it or not. Do as you please because in the end, you only got one life to live so you might as well be happy. And if doing wheelies on a GS makes you happy, more power to ya bub

[94suzuki500]

you try and make it sound like i am young and immature.  but you bring up things that are irrelevant like saying i have ridden many bikes.  I have never said that.  And also what kind of wheelies have you ridden.  Uncontrolled i would say.  Hard on the front end only if you slam it.  if you can ride a wheelie correctly the front wheel can be put back on the ground with less suspension compression than a speed bump would cause.  So I guess you being 33 from the time that you learned to wheelie till now you still havent gotten the hang of riding a wheelie.  Props to you on your riding skill since you can ride one through 3rd gear.  Since you claim to have done that i would have guessed you would have gotten the hang of them. slow learner i guess.

[Blueknyt]

granted but the main point i and a few others were so wrongfuly attempting to get across, no only in this thread but countless others, is that there are many other bikes far better suited to doing this Vs the GS, but what do we know?

but you bring up things that are irrelevant like saying i have ridden many bikes. I have never said that.

This would fall under sarcasm

And also what kind of wheelies have you ridden. Uncontrolled i would say. Hard on the front end only if you slam it. if you can ride a wheelie correctly the front wheel can be put back on the ground with less suspension compression than a speed bump would cause.

IF the engine has the power to counter gravity, this is often needed at Higher RPM's which the GS doesnt have.  so if you believe you can set the front end down that soft once you rev out on your wheelie go for it, let us know when you want to learn how to change the slider bushings/seals in your forks and stearing head bearings.

So I guess you being 33 from the time that you learned to wheelie till now you still havent gotten the hang of riding a wheelie. Props to you on your riding skill since you can ride one through 3rd gear. Since you claim to have done that i would have guessed you would have gotten the hang of them. slow learner i guess.

If i chose to practice the stunts i used to do to become proficient then yeah i would probly be very good, but see, i found that needing to rely on the GS for transpo to get to work, feed and house my family and not really haveing the extra cash to blow on prematurely worn tires, seals, bearings, chains, and brake parts or the tickets that came with getting caught once in a blue moon, changed my mind to futhering this recreation. I wouldnt call it being a slow learner, i would call it knowing the limitations of what can be done with what you have and the practicality of doing.

read over those posts above, not once did i disagree that the GS couldnt stunt,  ive said its not the best of choices, its not my first choice, its not practical to use as a stunter and backed it all up with facts of why it shouldnt. I am not the only one who has done this. I did not set out to make you look immature, Your the one who brought Age into this thereby doing it yourself.  

I have nothing against you personally, if you believe the GS is just fine to stunt with, Go right ahead. I wont stop you nor will anyone else here for that matter.  Someone asked about wheelies and stunting the GS. those of us who have owned and repaired the GS for any length of time will tell you the same thing. it can be done, but it isnt a practical bike for "stunting" . I find it foolish for you to argue with it, but then, perhaps i was foolish in trying to pass on solid info backed with facts learned from personal experience to someone who wanted to know when its clear you know better than I, or anyone else for that matter.

[davipu]

ok, noob, sell the gs, go buy a cbr, go around riding in jeans and a tee shirt, and be cool stunting, whatever dude.  you really showed your maturity today.   squid

[Mat]

94 you remind me of me (about a year or two ago)

i have had my arguments on this board

some people just plain out enjoy riding  
wheelies are not for everyone
just because some choose not to do wheelies doesn't mean they can't do them

wheelies are something i have been trying for the past 3 years on the ole gs
best being about 50 yards (not great but not bad either)

i have almost looped my bike a few times

as far as parts go
i have gone through a lot of levers, bars and even a set of forks because i screwed up trying to stunt my bike
i have even broken bones (nothing real serious but it ruined my summer)
and yes parts get expensive real quick

and just because you have ridden many bikes doesn't mean you are an experienced rider


these guys know their bikes
almost everybody here knows what the gs is capable of

and in the words of Stick Stickly  "Simmer Down"

[94suzuki500]

davipu
you really made no sense, I wear gear.  I dont need a cbr to stunt.  And I am not a squid.  Someone said get a sportbike as though you needed one to be able to wheelie.  I said the gs can and that you dont need a sport bike.  I really dont see how I am a squid.  And for everyone else, if you stunt anything of course it will be expensive, you will break stuff, its commen sense.  FrankieG sounds like a squid to me as he thinks someone needs a sportbike to achieve a wheelie.