Why no free speech in America

[Anonymous]

Simple question.  Why are there things I can't say in America?  

I'm NOT talking about shouting FIRE in a theater or anything that literally ENDANGERS people.  

I'm talking about plain old words that can't be uttered.  Like a white person saying the.... whisper it.... "N" word..... Shhhhh, don't let anyone hear.

I'm wondering why a member of a minority seems to have TRUE freedom of speech because I've heard EVERYTHING come out of their mouth but as a white guy I DON'T.  Why is MY speech censored?

[Old Mr. Wilson]

It's because you are evil whitey Joe. Evil whitey is the cause of all the poverty in this great country. Evil whitey has "held back" minorities from achieving their greatness. Evil whitey wrote all the previous history books and they were deemed "racist" and HAD to be rewritten! Evil whitey has all the good jobs in this country and makes the highest wages. Evil whitey can't be allowed to speak Joe, for you see, he is what is wrong with this whole country. And if you are a "Southern" Evil Whitey.......you are the lowest rung on the ladder my friend. The TV and media tell you that every day of your life.
Sigh.........I remember decades ago when I was in my youth.....in my little town we always looked forward to the Christmas parade. It was truly a highlight in the year. We had lots of bands come. Our parade had 110 bands at times. Out of that 110 bands we had 3 to 4 bands that were from colored schools and colleges. We mused over their marching styles that were reminiscent of something out of Africa and totally "not like us". Now
maybe.......MAYBE there are 2 White bands and ALL the rest are "integrated" and they all march like chickens around a barnyard, bobbing and weaving and clucking their heads in and out, back and forth, jumping up and down like savages in a Tarzan movie.
This is regression whether people want to admit it or not. It saddens me to see so much apathy and lethargicness with a "head buried in the sand" attitude today over what is called normalcy. Many reference points had to be changed. They did it with the media and publishing. They did it just like Hitler did it. You start with the youth. And for the last three decades our youth have been spoonfed this poison.
My tale of our Christmas Parade is an example of what has spread like a disease throughout all facets of our lives, from work to life and living in general. I'm in a quest for the festering core of the carbuncle that has taken over and is quickly destroying our great nation. I think I've found it. One only has to "follow the money".
Evil Whitey can't be allowed to speak Joe. He might tell you the truth.
I need to run down to the coast (actually OVER to Mobile,ALA). Hope to see y'all soon. Have a great weekend.              Much Love, Wilson

[iandunn]

That's not a matter of free speech, that's politeness; there's a big difference. If the government was persecuting you for calling someone a Homeboyus Africanus then that would be a violation of free speech. People thinking you're an ass for using racist insults is not censorship, it's peer pressure.

As an aside, of course people would chastize you for using a racist insult. And they should. It's an extremely hateful and offensive term. And no, blacks shouldn't called whites crackers either because that's also racist, but it is not as offensive a term as "Homeboyus Africanus." Both terms are equally racist (but not equally offensive) and anyone (black or white) using them against someone should be thought as ass for doing so. So yes, there is a double standard, but that doesn't make it right for whites to use "Homeboyus Africanus."

(In case anyone misunderstands, "Homeboyus Africanus" is not a more offensive term than "cracker" because of anything to do with race. Words have histories and connotations. For instance, if I call someone a "jerk," that is very different than if I call them a "c@%t." The former is a weak term, the latter a very strong one (so much so that the board censored it). "Homeboyus Africanus" is more offensive because throughout history it has collected very strong connotations, while "cracker" has not.)

[gazingwa]

joe and wilson...

You calling someone a niger is like me calling you a big-eared, fudge packing, dumbass... as true as it might be, you're gonna get pissed off and not like it.  Therefore in most cases, I keep thoughts like those to myself... but since you're about free speach and all, I'll make an exception.

Did I just condemn this thread??? Darn :mrgreen:

Now I think it's about time both of you move to montana, build a cabin together and hold and kiss each other until everyone on this planet is either just like you, or you die, whichever comes first.

[Old Mr. Wilson]

gazingwa
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:54 am  

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joe and wilson...

You calling someone a niger is like me calling you a big-eared, fudge packing, dumbass... as true as it might be, you're gonna get pissed off and not like it. Therefore in most cases, I keep thoughts like those to myself... but since you're about free speach and all, I'll make an exception.

Did I just condemn this thread??? Darn
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Yeah... that'd be great....




What in the HELL are you talking ABOUT???
YOU are the imbecile using offensive words!!!!!!!
p.s. You misspelled the "N" word!!!! Grade  F

Love, Wilson

[gazingwa]

I'm tired of how far off subject this forum is getting with the bullshit you guys put out.  Hence my rather offensive post that compares with the crap that has been rolling out of your posts.

Edit:

p.s. You misspelled the "N" word!!!! Grade F

Shows you how much i use it eh?

[iandunn]

There's a difference between the way that gazingwa and I used the word and actually using it to insult someone. We're adults, hopefully we can talk about adult subjects without using euphemisms like sixth-graders whispering about "s-e-x."

[Old Mr. Wilson]

This "Forum" is ODDS and ENDS. If you don't like what's on the "TV" then turn it off! Isn't that what "they" always tell you? If you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen! Either shaZam! or get off the pot! Either lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way! What's fittin' for the goose is fittin' for the gander! A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush!
A stitch in time saves nine!

Sorry for being a bromide...........just couldn't help it!  :lol:

now I really must be going.........

[gazingwa]

I'm in odds and ends, because my wife is out of town and i'm bored... I'm sure you'd rather organize a lynching during your times of boredom...  But hey... to each his own, whatever floats your boat, whatever makes you happy, as long as you enjoy yourself...... laddy freakin' da

[weaselnoze]

True this IS O&E but its still a fuckin motorcycle forum.  you dont post shaZam! about motorcycles.  i should go to a bunch of forums and post stupid shaZam! in their O&E and call it ok.

[Old Mr. Wilson]

You really DETEST being confronted with facts don't you?


Now I REALLY must be going.................

[Anonymous]

See, you guys are making my point for me.  When someone disagrees with what YOU believe is right, they are brutally, personally, attacked.  They're pretty much told to shut up and go away.

I've have had SO many of my threads deleted that I'm losing count.  WHY?  Because what I say isn't politically correct.  Why is it in our society that minorities are so protected that they can do no wrong?  Why does the majority HAVE to put up with their behaviour?  AND like it.

Go watch BET (the black channel) someday.  It's the aljazeera of blacks.  Whites (and others too) are protrayed in the WORST ways possible.  My God, look at what they think is "cool".  How could anyone with any sense of morals or pride agree with that?  If a "white" channel EVER did anything remotely similar it WOULD be labled the KKK channel and shut down.

I just find the whole thing strange and puzzeling.  I'm amazed at HOW MUCH whites bend over backwards to accomodate minorities in this country to the detriment of ourselves.

[Old Mr. Wilson]

Amen. Say it Loud. For it is a fact (in a lot of cases) that we have taken care of them from "cradle to casket" and it is not appreciated one damn BIT. We are STILL sorry bastards. You can NOT GIVE ENOUGH! And in present time we take care of them "when they cross the border and evade capture for "X" amount of time. The Media will show you that the baby is sleeping in a cardboard box and has no bed. They don't show you the 32" Color Television that came in "the box". They are sorry sonsofbitches my friend and need to be exposed at every given opportunity.

Now I TRULY need to be going!!!!
Maybe I will die in the Hurricane that is coming ashore in Mobile and you liberal pussies won't have to read anymore of my "truths".  

[raylarrabee]

simple:

the first amendment only prohibits the government from infringing on your freedom of speech, as defined by endless court decisions.  Private individuals are not prohibited from  censoring speech in private forums (private businesses, homes, message boards, etc.).

And all people, be them federal actors or private citizens, have a right to think that certain speech is vulgar, or in poor taste...the government just can stop you from saying vulgar or offensive things, except in certain situations.

[Old Mr. Wilson]

Yawn.....................

[davipu]

in poor taste,  just like every thread of joe's

[indestructibleman]

Maybe I will die in the Hurricane that is coming ashore in Mobile and you liberal pussies won't have to read anymore of my "truths".  

i appreciate that you put the word truths in quotes.

[Anonymous]

Sometimes the truth hurts.  

I think that is a problem in this country.  Nobody is willing to criticize a minorities "bad" behaviour.  Did any of you hear Bill Cosbys comments?  He was SLAMMED for saying what he did, but it was ALL true.  Changes in behaviour NEED to be made.  Changes in THINKING need to be made.

ray,

So, you're telling me that you are the self appointed censor?  You being "the" private owner.  How is that any better than someone who says something that is unpopular?  How do you decide where the line should be drawn?  WHY should ANY line be drawn?  I'm for ALL free speech UNLESS it is DANGEROUS to specific people or the country.  All you're doing is being a "yes man" and a yes man does no good for anyone.

You can say anything you want about me, my race, my state, country, anything and I'm not going to go running to "mama" to help me.  Waaa, they called me names... Waaa...

You people DO and have called me just about all there is to call someone.  I'm still here, defending my position.  I think people who run off crying DON'T have a defense other than "he hurt my feelings".

I wonder how many of you are minorities.  You sure stick up for them like you are.  But, again, you have no real defense other than it's in bad taste, racist, offensive, inappropriate, and others equally pointless.

White people go around so afraid to offend, we're always walking on  eggshells.  I'm tired of it.  You're going to hear the REAL truth about yourselves until my thread is deleted...  Again...

[indestructibleman]

i think your opinions are offensive and your arguments are ludicrous.

now, apparently you take exception to us saying such things or you wouldn't have started this thread.  so how about our right to express our opinions about your opinions?

it's funny how racists and homophobes and people who don't want women to have control over their bodies have adopted a culture of victimization approach.

[cummuterguy]

Sometimes the truth hurts.  

I think that is a problem in this country.  Nobody is willing to criticize a minorities "bad" behaviour.  Did any of you hear Bill Cosbys comments?  He was SLAMMED for saying what he did, but it was ALL true.  Changes in behaviour NEED to be made.  Changes in THINKING need to be made.

I think we are perfectly capable of criticizing 'bad behavior', we're criticizing yours aren't we? The fact that we aren't willing to lump said behavior on an entire race sex or creed is what you seem to not be able to get.

Sure changes in behavior and thinking need to be made, how about you first? You've been touting ancient hatreds and ideals on this board for a long time. I'll be happy to stop getting offended at what you say, once you stop saying such ridiculous things...   See, I'm willing to compromise :mrgreen: