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and I will be a candidate! LOL

me love you long time  :kiss:

wow! you are cute (I checked your site)  
im a latin lover, 5'10", black hair and dark skin...  :mrgreen:

so what was this thread about?

[raylarrabee]

If you think that terrorists won't strike at you if you don't strike at them, you are simply delusional.  

I don't remember a pre-Iraqi war  terrorist attack on England, but  I have a really bad memory.  Was there one that I'm not aware of?

It wasn't just americans who died on September 11th.  I think the "final" estimate of British citizens killed was even higher than the 67 listed.
http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm

[stefman722]

I do disagree with the war since the very beginning. It has nothing to do with the fact that we might get "attacked" if we participate. I never really agreed with all the reasoning thats all.

I love my country like crazy i would not want to live anywhere else

"We must and we will stand against these terrorists. We will do so together. And we will prevail."

Cool.  Sorry for flaming...I misinterpreted what you said.  Go Caps!

Its totally cool man. Didnt hold nothing against you. Misinterpretation could be due to the fact that i am French Canadian. haha. So you like the capitals eh?

[Aerospike]

It wasn't just americans who died on September 11th.  I think the "final" estimate of British citizens killed was even higher than the 67 listed.

Right, but thy weren't primary targets, they weren't even secondary target. They just happened to either be on one of the airplanes or in the towers.   I'm sure at least one muslim (non-terrorist) was killed on 9/11.  My point is terrorist attacks are acts of vengeance and not just random acts of violence.  I'm not saying 40 people deserved to die today,  I'm really sorry about that,  but at the end it's really Tony Blair who decided to take his country to war, and if Al-qaeda had an airforce, they'd be bombing London, and D.C. if they could get here.  It's a war, there were always be civilian casualties unless everybody on both sides is an active combatant.   Remember, a lot of Iraqi civilians haven't seen a day of freedom as a result of the war, they just saw a missile hitting their house.

[raylarrabee]

Right, but thy weren't primary targets, they weren't even secondary target. They just happened to either be on one of the airplanes or in the towers.

Untrue.  The World Trade Center was just that:  a center of international trade and banking.  The "target" of the attacks was not simply the U.S.;  it was an attack on the entire Western world--the "supporters of Israel."  Bin Laden, in particular, has explained, before and after September 11th, that his jihad is a battle of Muslims vs. the Christian and Jewish world, not simply the US.

[Aerospike]

Untrue.  The World Trade Center was just that:  a center of international trade and banking.  The "target" of the attacks was not simply the U.S.;  it was an attack on the entire Western world--the "supporters of Israel."  Bin Laden, in particular, has explained, before and after September 11th, that his jihad is a battle of Muslims vs. the Christian and Jewish world, not simply the US.

Right it's a jihad against the Christian and Jewish world that interferes with their parts of the world and support Israel, and we all know all Golda Meir had to do in 1973 was pick up the phone and call the white house to get loaded tanks delivered overnight.  They haven't targeted Vatican City, the ultimate symbol of Christianity.   Terrorists fight back whoever tries to take them on, and Tony Blair knew how they fought and he decided to put his civilians at risk by taking his country to war.   He's the one responsible for the blood spilled today.  He went to war because of the "link" between Saddam and Al-qaeda.  He should've expected an attack and upped his security.

[banner]

This is really unfortunate. I don't see how any group on any side would benefit from this sort of an attack.

Hopefully people will recover from this as best as possible.

Peace

[knowlsey]

Bit of a coincadence that they attacked us just after winning the 2012 olympics, if france had won it i think they would have struck there, looks like they are trying to prove a point, or send some sort of a message.

Don't think they realise that it isnt doing their so called false cause any good, its just making people more pissed off, personally i think they are trying to get people to hate all muslims, so all muslims will turn on us, but they are not getting what they want, peace loving muslims are making a point of condemning them, which is a good thing.

What narks the hell out of me is anything holy is good and caring, so how the hell can you have a holy war.

My sympathies go out to the families of the dead and injured.

This is to the terrorists, you aint done nothing to *uck our spirit, its britain, so  :nana:

[ktrim]

Right it's a jihad against the Christian and Jewish world that interferes with their parts of the world and support Israel, and we all know all Golda Meir had to do in 1973 was pick up the phone and call the white house to get loaded tanks delivered overnight.  They haven't targeted Vatican City, the ultimate symbol of Christianity.   Terrorists fight back whoever tries to take them on, and Tony Blair knew how they fought and he decided to put his civilians at risk by taking his country to war.   He's the one responsible for the blood spilled today.  He went to war because of the "link" between Saddam and Al-qaeda.  He should've expected an attack and upped his security.

          this is Horse $$it!!!!!    That is the same as saying a women deserves to be raped because she wears a skirt  !!!  Straight $hit.  If you are afraid to fight for the freedom, liberty and rights of yourself and others I truly feel sorry for you as you do not understand the sacrifices made by others for your benefit.  Tony Blair commiting troops to fight in afghanistan and Iraq is brave and commendable.  He has the knowledge and foresight to see what will happen if the world sits back and watches and does nothing.  All of the countries that refused to help should be grateful of everyone involved as they are fighting for your freedom!!!  I have many friends in Iraq now fighting for you!!  Fighting to give you to the right to be an ASS...  You should be thanking them for what they are doing.  You should be thanking George Bush and Tony Blair for having the Balls to stand up for a coward such as yourself!!!  

  "HE WHO DOES NOT REMEMBER THE PAST IS CONDEMNED TO RELIVE IT"

[Aerospike]

[Lukewarm Wilson]

I really dont think aguing about who is to blame politics wise for this is very constructive the fact of the matter is wether you support the war or not we are there, and really does the world want to live under shia law and have to convert to islam or pay a toll to live in islamic state (check the Koran its there) i know i dont want to.
War is not a good thing period but sometimes you do have to fight for what you believe in wether you want to or not. Thats what the terroist are fighting for an idealogy so they fight for what they believe in but it is not what we believe in so we must fight back against it. But there idealogy concerns blowing up innocent people and running across boarders when they have to fight real fighters, they are cowards.
And you have to remeber most of these terrorists abroad are not iraqs or afghanies they are saudi, yemeni, sirian etc the west has not invaded there countries they have joined a fight that is not theres to fight. They do not fight for a country they fight for there ideaology and a really poor one at that. So if you like the idea of death by stoning, no rights for women, no music, television or reading except the Koran, a limited diet, poverty and repression keep complaining about the war and politicians face Mecca start praying and maybe your dreams will come true.

(Aerospike this is not directed at you personly but just as a general thought to all but noticed it came right after your reply)  

[Aerospike]

Blowing up civilians is cowardly, yes, I never said it was right, but you have to think about the civilians that got blown on the other side too.

Isn't funny when the ideology you fight for the way down the list of the reason's your fighting?

Syrians: Israel got so much help from us when they fought them.
Egyptians: see above.
Saudis: U.S. Military bases in their country.  You wouldn't take that.

My point is, every time you do something you will piss someone off, which is cool, I'm all for doing the right thing regardless of the consequences, but I cannot say that all the shaZam! that's going on in the middle east, not just Iraq, isn't about oil.

Luke, It's all good bro we're just talking  

[JohnNS]

Somebody starts a thread with kind sentiment in mind offering their well wishes to people who have just experienced a terrible tragedy, and you guys turn it into a political pissing match. Tactless morons...

My thoughts and prayers are with all you Londoners out there, be well.  

[davipu]

my two cents,  allowing binladin to live is like putting hitler in a closet with cnn and cable internet.  you have already provided him the means, he already has the motovation, and pretty soon he is going to figure out how to type.

freedom?  "freedom" is a sick joke.  that was lost when the rail road went through. and ever since then americans have ben selling thier  "freedoms" back to the government, for what. "a slice of the pie" "a house and two cars" "the all american dream"  ?  it's all a sick joke.  the railroad closed the west. and cemented the american way of life, "I don't want responsibilty" is the motto now.  

Blair and Bush, ... as a modern day phesant you really have no idea goes on in the kings affairs.  you may be "informed" as you may claim. but it is all force fed    designed to stimulate your emotions and keep you in line.  

oil,  you don't still have horses do you?  I wish i did.  then i could be free of the matrix.  

war,  shaZam!, without nukes, I whould be bombing busses too.  why the hell not, gurilla warfare worked in vietnam.   that's my two cents, it's actually worth 1.5 but with the economic inflation and all well just consider it two.

[davipu]

we all are, John. we all are.

[Lukewarm Wilson]

Somebody starts a thread with kind sentiment in mind offering their well wishes to people who have just experienced a terrible tragedy, and you guys turn it into a political pissing match. Tactless morons...

My thoughts and prayers are with all you Londoners out there, be well.  

You are correct  

[Maireeka]

My prayers go out to those in london.

as for the arguments, TL;DR.  

[Aerospike]

Davipu, you sir, are correct. that's all I have to say regarding what you said.

As for the rest of the members reading this forum and all the Londoners, I apologize if I got carried away in the conversation, seeing innocent people die sucks no matter what side they're on.

[Lukewarm Wilson]

as for the arguments, TL;DR.  

what is TL;DR? :dunno:

[raylarrabee]

Somebody starts a thread with kind sentiment in mind offering their well wishes to people who have just experienced a terrible tragedy, and you guys turn it into a political pissing match.

If this was a thread about a little old lady being run over by a bus, and then we launched into a geopolitical discussion, I could see your point.  But it's not. Discussions about terrorism and discussions about the causes of terrorism are not separable.  I don't see how talking about the motivations of the cowardly people who committed these--and previous--attacks is either irrelevant or disrespectful.