WTF "We cant let mother nature win"

[RVertigo]

when was the last time that portland had a tsunami?

We had a "warning" a few months ago...  It wouldn't hit Seattle though... We're way too far from the coast.  Parts of Portland might get it though... :dunno:

[pandy]

But when dealing with government and red tape, it will never cost less to do it one way over another, and cutting through red tape to get to "reasonable" ain't likely to happen, either.

At this point, it seems likely that NO will be built again in the same spot, and most likely in the same way...there might be some upgrades, but I'd lay odds (unfortunately) that there won't be a huge effort (at least not the effort there SHOULD be) to build now to save lives/money later. :dunno:

[The Buddha]

Yea right ... I even doubt many of the businesses are going back there, before rebuilding people will have to shop for insurance and jobs and facilities. My guess is 90% of NO will have discovered other places Baton rouge, Alexandria, Houston, Shreveport, Dallas, Atlanta and heck even Charlotte and figured yea this is as good as any. BTW the people in Charlotte are looking for jobs and some have found jobs already. They got here Sat and Sun I believe. Yea we will rebuild it, but with none of the original people. Its begining to look more like the ones that are not damaged and look like they will get out unscathed are going to wish it had been destroyed. Lets see.
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Srinath.

[Cal Price]

Roadstergal, I was not putting foreward a view that the U.S. should or should not rebuild like-for-like, I was merely trying to encapsulate the enormity of the dilemma. Trying to straighten out the question in my own mind. It's the sort of thing that makes me think "This is too big an issue to be left to Politicians" but in the final analysis who else will, or can make those decisions?

Whatever they finally decide I hope at least some of them are better than the general reputation of politicos worldwide. Courageous visionaries who are not putting getting re-elected as their prime objective are what is going to be needed and there are not that many of them about.

[Jake D]

The people will come back.  They will build.  They will repair.

~ Terrence Mann

[The Buddha]

The people will come back.  They will build.  They will repair.

~ Terrence Mann

Yea ... and what will they do in the freaking 2-3 years it will take before they can clean it up and build ... e-coli and cholera and other chemical and bio toxins dont just vanish Into the ground, and into the sea and into the lake and it will come back over and over and over ...
And this is one freaking disgusting thing I see with (dont want to name names but you know who - Plural ) Just because someone said it doesn't make it true ... who the Frock cares what he said, it may apply in once sense and be totally true, in another situation it will be so wholly misleading ... Even Gandhi who was on the nose in some was waaaaay off in some cases ... So I am going to start quoting Davipu and any other nonsense I can cook up ...
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Srinath.

[davipu]

your all screwed now.

[The Buddha]

Yea and a great man once said of New Orleans ...

"your all screwed now."

-Davipu

See how it works.  :lol:
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Srinath.

[davipu]

Srinath gives me $40.

[The Buddha]

Srinath gives me $40.

And another great thinker once said ... "dont cry in your beer cos srinath owes ya $40, just shove it up your a#s ... "

See how it works ...  :lol:
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Srinath.

[pandy]

And another great thinker once said ... "dont cry in your beer cos srinath owes ya $40, just shove it up your a#s ... "
See how it works ...  :lol:

I hope you don't mean shove the BEER anywhere....that would be a waste of a perfectly good beer!!  

[ajgs500]

I wonder if beer is absorbed more quickly anally???

[pandy]

You are a sick, SICK woman!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[ajgs500]

Ya but I didn't start the beer up your arse talk!!!

[indestructibleman]

I wonder if beer is absorbed more quickly anally???

it's more potently absorbed that way.

read this only if you really want to know more about rectal alcohol absorption
http://members.aol.com/OldRope/etohenma.htm

[ashman]

Since NO is my home I take serious offense to anyone that says doze it and give up. Kiss my ass I say. Move New Orleans?!? Its a freakin port city, it is where it is for a reason! Forget about New Orleans eh? Have you seen what gas prices have done w/o it up and running, yes this country does need it rebuilt. Move the oil industry else where you say. Ok, move the Mississippi River too then moron. New Orleans is stupid for having levees that could not with stand a cat 5? Thank your federal gov for that, NO is known as the city that care forgot. The fed gov. has never given NO enuff funding to do things right. The levee system was recently completed using funding designated 30 years ago.

A brief status report: Parts of Jeff parish are up and running. The airport along w/ most of it will be open by the 19th of THIS month w/ Jeff Parish open also. In as soon as 3 weeks parts of uptown NO will have people returning.

Plus this is not the first time this has happened in this city and its probally not the last. The businesses are here, are returning, and never left. And this whole rebuilding the city BS i'm so tired of hearing about on the news. The city is there. Trees have fallen, some buildings will have to be destroyed, but go two blocks over from the floods to see some houses that never had water in them and are perfectly intact still with residents. Some areas have standing water w/ a toxic soup that will probally have to be bulldozed. The city could probally stand to loose some of those areas. Others had water in them, big freakin deal. If you live in Southeastern Louisiana you are used to flooding. You know which roads to not take on rainy days. My parents subdivision has the streets flood a couple times a year. People in NO are used to flooding. You rip out the carpets and lower sheet rock its something your born knowing.

And as far as the toxic stuff pumped into the lake well. Back in the 80's you couldnt go in the lake cuz it was too toxic, so that is nothing all that hard to get used to there. The city of New Orleans is there and the people of New Orleans are chomping at the bit to get to work.

-ash

[Jake D]

Yeah, Ashman, I totally agree.  I can't wait for my next visit to the Big Easy.  I think it is going to be better than ever!

What was the flooding like in the French Quarter and Garden District?  Do you think that that area came out alright?

[The Buddha]

OK Lemme ask you ... 35 years ago they didn't do it right ... it was under built, and even so they did a lousy job. You think now its going to be better. Its a port city, but before the port will be re useable, many of the shipping lines will have moved to other ports. The parts that are not under water are the wealthy part of NO right. I'd say leave them there, the poor can move to better locations as they already have as evacuees. Let rich get the shaft for once ... and leave them alone wishing that they had gotten washed away and gotten insurance $$ and federal grant $$ ...
They levees and pumps aren't going to be built any better really, contractors and every one involved will cut corners and in a few years we'll have this happen again. The ground has also absorbed toxins and as is its very un healthy to move back there till all of that can me estimated and mitigated. Years in reality to do a good job. I'd say stick it to the man ... and leave it be.
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Srinath.

[pandy]

The big problem with this argument is that the poor already feel as though they've gotten the shaft, because they've had the only home many of them have every known washed right out from under them. I'm betting that the only goal they see in the future is to rebuild and go home. Taking someone's home away from them permanently *is* giving them the shaft. It's saying, "you're poor, so we're not going to rebuild for you." That might not be what YOU mean, but that's how the NO folks likely would see it. As for letting the rich get reamed....they're the only ones who likely would have insurance anyways. The "logical" thought might be that this is a port city that is below sea level, hasn't had adequate levee shoring, and, heck, it's gone anyways.

Well, on the human level, these are peoples' homes that have washed away, and they want to go home. The answer now (and has been for those 35 years) is to FUND the appropriate protections. That's the reality of it...

The parts that are not under water are the wealthy part of NO right. I'd say leave them there, the poor can move to better locations as they already have as evacuees. Let rich get the shaft for once ... and leave them alone wishing that they had gotten washed away and gotten insurance $$ and federal grant $$ ...

[The Buddha]

As Illogical as it sounds ... if your house was washed away ... you'd be lucky in this case ... The water took everythign away ... but the govt and insurance will cover most if not all of it. Now instead of going back to the polluted earth and much higher risk, you start afresh in a new city. Remember even if you went back and founf your house intact ... the grounbd is still polluted, the levees are going to take years to re build and jobs aren't going to come by easy. Life as you knew it has changed, if not forever atleast for some time to come. Now whatever you had house or condo or whatever if insurance was there to pay for it, great, if you had no insurance then its still remains that you'd have to start over. Instead of doing so in a dirty and polluted place, do so in a new place. So only those that have not been affected as in their houses are standing and un flooded, will have been affected. They dont get to start over, they dont get insurance $$ and they have to manage in the new sea of filth that now covers (or once covered NO) ... and they have to deal with the possibility that a hurricane can hit the place before the levees are finished and this can repeat itself. If you lost your house, chances are your entire city block went, and probably most of the other places that you thought of as your neighbor hood. That is IMHO enough reason to get a new neighborhood.
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Srinath.