What? Are chicks chopped liver? NEW girl leathers - sigh

[ajgs500]

oh and +1 to what Pandy said!!!!!    

[Phaedrus]

How do you know were you there???  History is always slanted to those in power.

I don't know for a fact, but I know from reasoning that most of the innovations were by men. Not because men were superior, which we're not, but because men were traditionally more educated. In the "olden times" of western civilization, the wealthier men were the ones who got the education, had the leasure time to invent and create, etc. Women were often kept in the dark and discouraged from such things.

Things like fire and the wheel that were created EONS ago?? I don't know that for sure either. But most evidence points in the same direction. Men were hunters/protectors while the woman's job was more domestic.

But you are right, I don't know for a FACT, I wasn't there.  :dunno:

[ajgs500]

ya to stay home and cook which involved, I believe in those times, fire.

[davipu]

aperently someone needs to be clubbed and dragged back to the cave.

[ajgs500]

someone needs to not cook you dinner!!!!

[Roadstergal]

I think that's something we all regularly do.  



The wheel was invented by a woman named Tricia.  I was there.

[davipu]

that just means I'll be hungry and horny when I stare at RG's avatar...

[un1261]

Hey roadstergal I just got a sirocco jacket. It is great, too warm for now but it should be nice and warm in a couple of months. I took for a ride over the weekend, the vents worked great. I took out the liner and removed the collar even after the sun had set and temp dipped into the 60's the coat was warm.


Oops sorry about the thread jack. :mrgreen:

[Jeff P]

[Jake D]

RG's avatar looks good, but the bottoms of those pants look waaaay too tight.   :kiss:

[Badger]

RG's avatar looks good, but the bottoms of those pants look waaaay too tight.

How can you tell?  The bottoms are tucked into the boots.  Oh...wait a minute.  

You folks are incorrigible.

[davipu]

when joe rocket CE certifies ther armor that means that Charlie Edwardo made it and said it was good.  also they don't commet on thier stiching methods because they use a single stich with cotton thread. unlike teknic which uses a triple stich with kevlar thread so that the seams are stronger than the material.  and the leather and armor won't do diddly squat when it is flapping in the wind instead of being next to your skin.

[Roadstergal]

and the leather and armor won't do diddly squat when it is flapping in the wind instead of being next to your skin.

That's exactly it.  It doesn't matter what the specs on that gear are. They're low-riders and bell-bottoms.  The former means that your midsection will take a good scraping, and the latter means that they'll ride up to your thighs, leaving everything below to commune with asphalt.

If you don't think they'll ride that high, you're underestimating the forces in a fall.  They're much more significant than a grab and a tug.  And when gear isn't held in place, it also has a much higher chance of tearing.  That's why you get warned away from bagginess when you're looking at suits.

[Roadstergal]

Oops sorry about the thread jack. :mrgreen:

Methinks there's a lot of jacking going on in this thread.  

[Jeff P]

Sorry, still gotta call BS on the claims that this stuff is "no better and maybe worse" than regular old street clothes, or that it "won't do diddly squat".  You can throw out all the talk about riding up, single stitching, loose fit, whatever, but the idea that someone would fare worse in these pants and jacket than they would in jeans and a t-shirt is absurd!

The jacket & pants zip together, so that should alleviate some of the trouble there.  Only in a feet-first slide will the legs ride up, no guarantee that'll happen.  Riding boots would cover most of the exposed area as is, much like gauntlets would for those short-looking sleeves on the Dainese jacket.  Jokes aside, I'm sure the CE armor in these clothes is in fact CE approved.  

Unless someone is wearing full race gear, from head to toe, they are making compromises with their gear.  That doesn't make less-than-race gear useless crap however.  

jeff

[Roadstergal]

no guarantee that'll happen.

And no guarantee that it won't.  Only if you have no vector upwards (relative to body) in a slide or tumble will the pants not ride up, and it's almost impossible to have a slide or tumble without any vector upwards (relative to body).  It's not something I'm going to bank on.

I'd want a circumference zipper to alleviate the lowrider factor (most riding pants cinch around the waist, to make a stable point of attachment at a narrow spot on the body), and the pants don't have one.

OK, for Trixie, $350 for the jacket, $250 for the pants.  $600.  For the Teknic one-piece, $500 for the suit, $30 for the CE armor upgrade.  So much for the "buyers of this stuff don't have the money for real gear" argument... better protection for cheaper.

Unless someone is wearing full race gear, from head to toe

There is no advantage, in price or convenience, for getting stuff like this over full race gear from head to toe.   :dunno:

I compromise on waterproofness.  Leather loses its protective qualities if it gets drenched with filthy water regularly, so it's a rational compromise to get waterproof gear that has abrasion ratings I can live with (no pun intended).  That makes sense.  Fetish gear doesn't.

[Badger]

Unless someone is wearing full race gear, from head to toe, they are making compromises with their gear.

I'm all for wearing proper gear, but is it really true that race gear offers "ideal" protection for street riders?  Race gear is designed for a specific purpose:  to protect against racing related injuries.  I would expect that the profile of those situations is different than what would occur tooling around on the street.  I'm not sure you ever have to worry about getting t-boned by an SUV on the track (in fairness, I also don't think there's any gear that would help you better in that case), and you probably shouldn't need knee sliders on the street.  I'm thinking that on the street impact protection is more important, whereas on the track protection against sliding abrasion is most important.

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe there isn't any gear that has really focused on "street protection" vs. "race protection". *shrug* But there probably should be.  What I'm hearing is that there is "race gear" and then there's "crap".
 
Of course, for those people that always ride like they are always on a racetrack, it probably doesn't matter (but they are almost certainly wearing shorts, t-shirt, and tennis shoes anyway).

[davipu]

unless your a 5' elf your not going to be able to zip the two together and lean foward. because of the ultra short cut of the jacket and the low rise of the pants, that sure is nice that they added a zipper, gee I just wish it was functional.

because the torso is heavier than the legs it is going to create more friction with the ground and drag more causing a feet first slide.

and that is a negitive on the armor being approved, read linky
http://gstwins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7625

the governing body that controls the CE rating has no athority over on this side of the pond.  I can write CE on a f%$king T-shirt and market it as armored and they can't do shaZam! about it.  (which is basicly what JR has been doing for the last 5 years. they take thier dual foam and glue a layer of plastic on the outside and call it CE rated.)  for it to actually be rated they are required to state the standard that it is rated to and to have available the rating results from the tests.

[scratch]

Yes. Ask any racer who's ridden on the street, or any rider who's raced, and they'll tell you that the best protection you can get is one-piece leathers and a back protector. And, boots (and helmet, duh, and gloves).

But, just because that's the best protection, doesn't mean that's what they wear all the time.

[davipu]

Badger,  abrasion restiance is the most important thing no mater whare you ride. once your suit wears through it dosn't matter if it's armored or not.  which is why they put knee/elbow sliders on them.  if you use the crocadile analogy, it makes alot more sence to have a tough skin with the bones on the inside and a few teeth to chomp down with than try to hide like a turtle.