RC-51 ENVY

[Altruism111]

Can I suggest a new Honda 600RR.... I love it... it was a great transition from the baby gs....

[pantablo]

Either way, there hasnt been a liter vtwin at the track thats been able to keep up with my 600cc inline 4. :dunno:

Here, lemme post as an arrogant Ducati rider ( ) and say...

near stock 749's have been running 26's at Willow since last season...25's this year, and 999 (and my friend Jack Pfeifer on an Aprilia Factory) have run 23's and better.

mylaps.com can verify this

Your inline 600cc inline 4 hasn't gone quite that fast, has it?  :dunno:

:mrgreen: sorry, hafta keep the truth out there, you local socal guys should know better

Riding twins is great fun.

 I guess you missed the part where I say

but it has a great deal to do with the rider.

, huh.

mylaps.com doesnt give type of bike, only names and times so its impossible to show whether only the vtwins are running those times or the racers are running those times, regardless of the type or engine configuration on the bike.

I'm not talking about racers. I'm talking the rest of us, sport riders. I'm no racer but I can pull low 30's at willow.

At a trackday, my experience has been that the I4 guys are faster than the v2 guys, and that the 600cc bikes can run as fast as the liter bikes. This is my experience in the dozen or so trackdays I've recently done and has no bearing or relationship to racing. it does include racers at the trackday though.

Ultimately, all the bikes are fast, or are capable of being ridden fast. Hell, one guy out at Willow is running mid-high 20's on an sv650...its all about the rider.

[pantablo]

Can I suggest a new Honda 600RR.... I love it... it was a great transition from the baby gs....

[Altruism111]

I dont think anyone in their right mind should go from a 500cc to a liter bike. I can run 0-60mph on my 600rr in about 3 seconds. That is plenty fast enough for me.

[Alphamazing]

There is a guy in my sportbike club who bought an R1 as his first bike. Every single officer in the club was shocked and amazed he would be so stupid. The VP was pissed off at him for being so dumb, because he knows this guy is gonna crash and give our club a bad name. Many people went off on him for being retarded. He thinks he's a hardcore badass.

R1 as a first bike... what a moron.

[dionysus]

You mean like the guy that works at my dentists' office? R1 as a first bike, layed it down (whattashocker) and doesn't ride anymore. This was all in a months time... I kinda wish morons like this would buy liter-bikes and skid lids... see where I'm goin?

As for the club, kick the moron out.

[Alphamazing]

He has yet to ride with us, but if he does and he is unsafe in any way they will kick him out.

[Phaedrus]

As for the club, kick the moron out.

:lol: Kick the guy out for buying an R1 as his first bike?  :lol:  That is a little extreme, I'd say... I mean yeah, it isn't the best choice for a first bike OBVIOUSLY, but his bike choice should not automatically make him an idiot. How he rides it determines that.

Just as with every other aspect of motorcycle riding - like pantablo pointed out - it has more to do with the RIDER than the BIKE.  

[wsmc27]

Either way, there hasnt been a liter vtwin at the track thats been able to keep up with my 600cc inline 4. :dunno:

 I guess you missed the part where I say

but it has a great deal to do with the rider.

, huh.

mylaps.com doesnt give type of bike, only names and times so its impossible to show whether only the vtwins are running those times or the racers are running those times, regardless of the type or engine configuration on the bike.

I'm not talking about racers. I'm talking the rest of us, sport riders. I'm no racer but I can pull low 30's at willow.

At a trackday, my experience has been that the I4 guys are faster than the v2 guys, and that the 600cc bikes can run as fast as the liter bikes. This is my experience in the dozen or so trackdays I've recently done and has no bearing or relationship to racing. it does include racers at the trackday though.

Ultimately, all the bikes are fast, or are capable of being ridden fast. Hell, one guy out at Willow is running mid-high 20's on an sv650...its all about the rider.

 Yes, you're correct. I only responded to the one post and comment about twins that can't keep up...

I've run an R6 faster laps at Willow then most I4 liter bikes/riders will ever go there, so you are correct in that as well ("600cc bikes can run as fast as the liter bikes"). Just depends on who shows up at the track day you're at, and I don't think a blanket statement suggesting that twins can't run as fast or faster then an I4 are accurate. My opinion is backed up by facts in the electronic t&s at wsmc.

fwiw, as you're new to the track, most of the more experienced people seem to refer differently to times...in that:

No SV goes mid/high 20's, in that a mid 20 is like a 1:20.5 and a high 20 is like a 1:20.9

Yes, a few SV racers have gone 28's and 29's and i think the fastest of the fast on highly modded SV's have gone 26's and 27's

30's will refer to times in the 1:30.0 to 1:30.999 area, 31's are, well you get it...

HTH, have fun in your riding.



And since the thread was about twins/RC51 my experience on a stock magazine test bike (ridden at 'the Streets of Willow" a few years ago) was favorable, it's a lot cheaper to purchase then a Ducati and a ton of fun to ride. Heavy compared to any I4 600 but a totally different style of power delivery.

Twins are pretty good fun.

[pantablo]

about twins/RC51 ...was favorable, it's a lot cheaper to purchase then a Ducati and a ton of fun to ride. Heavy compared to any I4 600 but a totally different style of power delivery.

Twins are pretty good fun.

yep, that was their conclusion too.

I'll try to remember the timing thing...so mid 30's is 1:30.5-ish. So I should say I run 32's or some such then...I see why that would be important.

[TarzanBoy]

check it out fellas... i rode a superhawk today

[PatrickInNC]

thank you, its about time we got back on topic. I had no intentions of starting a V-twin vs. I-4/ducati vs. Jap war. And I think Mr. Tarzanboy would also appreciate that his thread be used for advice in buying his next streetbike instead of what bike is faster at a TRACK. I don't understand why people get into these conversations anyways. I don't personally know ANYONE who can fully explore the limits of modern sportbikes to their full potential, especially on the street, and by that I mean one with curves that require the user to do more than exercise his right hand.  I hope I haven't offended anyone, but it just bothers me that people get into these , My bike is faster conversations when they will never be able to take the bike to its limit. Which is pretty much the reason I don't buy I4's. I4's just don't have any real usable power. especially for the street. Nowhere on the street can you (especially safely) ride an modern I4 bike where its meant to be ridden. Check out the August Motorcycist Magazine, where they compare a 636 vs a GSXR 1000. ONly a HIGHLY experienced rider was able to utilize the very good equipment the GSXR had to offer. When the other author switched it up, and rode the 1000, he was actually SLOWER on the 1000 than he was with the 636. Also the 636 was not far off the pace of the 1000. Thats how fast bikes are today. And this is on a closed course race track.

Now all that being said, Tarzanboy... Have you been turned on to the power of the TWIN?? Isn't that a great sound? did the superhawk have pipes. Even though I own ducati's, I envy the sound of the RC, TL, and superhawk. Maybe its just because I don't get to hear my bike when I'm not on it. Maybe I just have wrong pipes. But those things sound so good. They seem louder and deeper. Aprilia's do too. You got anywhere you can test ride a RC? or even a TL or monster? I try to encourage people to make sure to "ask for the test ride" as that is what really can hook you to a bike. Test ride all you can.
-Patrick

[blue05twin]

Tarzanboy you got your lincense right?  I remember you posting that you did.  Anyway the Atlanta Triumph Ducati, LLC on 1907-B Piedmont Road NE will let you test ride the different bikes if you have your license.  You should check them out.  I took the Brutale for a test ride   I want one just cant justify buying a bike for 15K.

[aplitz]

On my last ride with friends, I was on my TL1000S with full race Yoshimura system with titanium cans.  Along for the ride was a 999 Tosland replica with 57mm race system, 748 Bayless replica, S4r with Arrow shotgun high mount, Rc-51 with Acropovic, ZX-10 R with 2Brothers, heavily modified Superhawk with M4's, and several other modded bikes.  However, at every stop everone; riders and bystanders alike looked up when I started or revved my bike.  I even had a guy on a heavily modified R1 with underseat system chase me through the twisties to tell me how good my bike sounded.

The only thing Ducs have it that clutch rattle.  The are not reliable or practical in any sense.  But, neither is riding a 400 pound 150 horsepower beast, so we are all a little irrational.

[dionysus]

:lol: Kick the guy out for buying an R1 as his first bike?  :lol:  That is a little extreme, I'd say... I mean yeah, it isn't the best choice for a first bike OBVIOUSLY, but his bike choice should not automatically make him an idiot. How he rides it determines that.

Just as with every other aspect of motorcycle riding - like pantablo pointed out - it has more to do with the RIDER than the BIKE.  

It was more from

he knows this guy is gonna crash

than the bike. Seems like people that know this guy are fairly confidant he's an idiot. Why let him endanger everyone else's lives? If it was a "normal" m/c club then yeah, give him a shot. But it was specifically a sport rinding club, which is risky enough without extra idiots around you, let him ride for a few months before he joins.