BCS is BS...

[roguegeek]

As always, the flaws of the BCS calculations can be seen miles away. So what you're telling me is 3 separate human polls count SC number one followed up by Texas, but a computer puts Texas over SC? Anyone else see something wrong with this? Actually, I'm sure a lot of people are happy to see that, but let's just put the bias aside for a second and really think about this.

Now am I worried? Absolutely not. The margin between 1st and 2nd in the BCS is the closest it's ever been in 8 years and USC has a very decent schedule ahead of them with many ranked teams. Regaining the 1st spot is inevitable, no matter how well Texas does.

One thing that I would change in the human polls, though, if I could would be VT. They are, far and away, a better team than Texas. I'd much rather have my Trojans play Texas than VT right now. They're just damn good and deserve that number 2 spot.

[JetSwing]

it may sound like a big deal but it really isn't. wether you are # 1 or 2, you're going to play for the national championship. plus the position could easily swap this saturday. like you said vt has everything to lose if they go undefeated. as long as both usc and texas run the table, vt has no chance of playing for the national championship.

i will say this though about ranking. no matter how you look at it, polls are subjective and bias. whereas, the computer ranking aroun more objective. thus, it's more fair.

we can all agree that the ranking system is bull (in determinaing the national champion). so if you can stay at top two positions, you have nothing to complain about.

[dbNnc]

I'll jump in this with my idea for a 16-team playoff. All 11 Division 1A conference champions plus 5 at-large teams. Regular season ends by last weekend in November. Playoffs start at home of higher-seeded teams first weekend of December. Regionals next week. Final four at major bowl sites, championship at major bowl site on New Year's Day. Instead of 50+ teams playing bowls into late December and early January, 16 teams play and season is actually shorter, so university presidents' concerns about a longer season don't hold up. However, it would knock a game or two off the recently approved 12-game season (What was that university presidents were concerned about?) cutting into athletic department revenues for those teams that actually make money on football home games.

Worried about that great Motor City Bowl tradition? Then keep playing the lower-tier bowls as football's version of the NIT. Who said you can't have playoffs and bowls?

A playoff works for 1-AA, and you don't see huge numbers of players flunking out of Furman and William & Mary because they play more games.

[Stephen072774]

I'd much rather have my Trojans play Texas than VT right now. They're just damn good and deserve that number 2 spot.

Why is that?  VaTech has only played 1 ranked team, 15th Ga Tech, they have hardly proven themselves.  I think Miami has a very good shot at beating them.

Texas passed USC because they routed #10 tech by 35 points while Usc squeaked by an overranked #9 Notre Dame.  I don't think anybody wants to play Texas right now.

Cal, Fresno St, and UCLA is a tough way to end the season, too.  Good luck with that :nana:

[Jake D]

I agree that USC should be number one, but Texas is better than Tech.

I don't agree that Notre Dame is over ranked.

Thing is, VT will probably play FSU in the ACC Championship game and Texas will probably play my alma mater THE University of Missouri in the Big 12 Championship.  So VT will probably get the nod.  But Texas would beat VT on a neutral field.  

But the last thing in the world anyone wants to hear is a USC fan crying like a baby.  You know what USC stands for right?  

[JetSwing]

Why is that?  VaTech has only played 1 ranked team, 15th Ga Tech, they have hardly proven themselves. I think Miami has a very good shot at beating them.

vt is playing #13 boston college this week. and #6 miami next week. and virginia (who was ranking last week).

texas has no more ranked teams on theschedule.

by the end of the season, the schedule will be pretty much even.

[JetSwing]

I'll jump in this with my idea for a 16-team playoff.

16 teams is way too many. 8 is good. even 4 will work.
you can keep the same bowl system. designate top 3 bowl games as a playoff games. have 4 teams play in #2 and #3 bowl games. the winners play in #1 bowl game for the national championship.

[Stephen072774]

Why is that?  VaTech has only played 1 ranked team, 15th Ga Tech, they have hardly proven themselves. I think Miami has a very good shot at beating them.

vt is playing #13 boston college this week. and #6 miami next week. and virginia (who was ranking last week).

texas has no more ranked teams on theschedule.

by the end of the season, the schedule will be pretty much even.

Yeah thats exactly my point... theres no way Tech can leapfrog TX now, maybe after the Miami game

[JetSwing]

Why is that?  VaTech has only played 1 ranked team, 15th Ga Tech, they have hardly proven themselves. I think Miami has a very good shot at beating them.

vt is playing #13 boston college this week. and #6 miami next week. and virginia (who was ranking last week).

texas has no more ranked teams on theschedule.

by the end of the season, the schedule will be pretty much even.

Yeah thats exactly my point... theres no way Tech can leapfrog TX now, maybe after the Miami game

maybe. vt would have to blow out both bc and miami. that may get some points from the computer rankings. but still i don't think vt can pass texas unless texas screw up.

[Jake D]

Texas will get passed by VT and USC.  They don't have the strength of schedule left to stay in the BCS #1 OR #2.  That said, they are better than VT.  

VT might now win out though. . . stay tuned.

[JetSwing]

yes, usc will reclaim the #1 spot. but vt won't be leap frogging texas...they're too far behind.

[dbNnc]

6 teams is way too many. 8 is good. even 4 will work.

Sixteen is not too many. TV and fans would love a December Saturday with eight NCAA playoff football games. An eight- or four-team playoff would leave out too many teams, especially those from smaller conferences -- a big criticism of the BCS. Plus, to get TV to agree to any playoff it would somehow have to be rigged so Notre Dame has a shot to get in. A playoff of three 11-0 or 12-0 teams plus a 8-3 Notre Dame would be bogus.

[Stephen072774]

Plus, to get TV to agree to any playoff it would somehow have to be rigged so Notre Dame has a shot to get in. A playoff of three 11-0 or 12-0 teams plus a 8-3 Notre Dame would be bogus.

lol, I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks that.

[JetSwing]

6 teams is way too many. 8 is good. even 4 will work.

Sixteen is not too many. TV and fans would love a December Saturday with eight NCAA playoff football games. An eight- or four-team playoff would leave out too many teams, especially those from smaller conferences -- a big criticism of the BCS. Plus, to get TV to agree to any playoff it would somehow have to be rigged so Notre Dame has a shot to get in. A playoff of three 11-0 or 12-0 teams plus a 8-3 Notre Dame would be bogus.

16 teams IS too many.  if would take a month of playing every week to determin the the national champion. also, it would be more difficult to pick 16 teams than say 8 teams. and too many undeserving teams would get in the playoff.

give the champions of each of the six conferences that currently get automatic bids to the bcs an automatic bid to the playoff:

1. Big Ten
2. Big 12
3. ACC
4. Big East
5. Pac-10
6. SEC

and the other two teams (for 7 and 8 spots) could come from a smaller conferene like WAC or Conference USA or a team like notre dame which is an independent.

so, if you're the conference champion, you're in. the rest are not good enough. this system would not leave out anyone.

every major bowl games would host the playoff games. and the rose bowl (in case of this year) will host the national championship.

[vtlion]

6 teams is way too many. 8 is good. even 4 will work.

Sixteen is not too many. TV and fans would love a December Saturday with eight NCAA playoff football games. An eight- or four-team playoff would leave out too many teams, especially those from smaller conferences -- a big criticism of the BCS. Plus, to get TV to agree to any playoff it would somehow have to be rigged so Notre Dame has a shot to get in. A playoff of three 11-0 or 12-0 teams plus a 8-3 Notre Dame would be bogus.

16 teams IS too many.  if would take a month of playing every week to determin the the national champion. also, it would be more difficult to pick 16 teams than say 8 teams. and too many undeserving teams would get in the playoff.

give the champions of each of the six conferences that currently get automatic bids to the bcs an automatic bid to the playoff:

1. Big Ten
2. Big 12
3. ACC
4. Big East
5. Pac-10
6. SEC

and the other two teams (for 7 and 8 spots) could come from a smaller conferene like WAC or Conference USA or a team like notre dame which is an independent.

so, if you're the conference champion, you're in. the rest are not good enough. this system would not leave out anyone.

every major bowl games would host the playoff games. and the rose bowl (in case of this year) will host the national championship.

I have always been an advocate of this system... three round playoff...maybe 4 rounds with a few byes for higher ranked teams.  Keep the bowl system, invite three more bowls into the BCS to rotate about the three tiers of playoffs.  All other bowls would essentially be consolation games.  Often the 3rd ranked team has a legitimate gripe about not getting a shot at the title.  I can't envision a scenario in which the 9th ranked team can really say they dominated.

[Stephen072774]

but many times the runner up in a certian conference can be better than the winner of another conference, and these are always taken into account by the polls.

Just like this year with both Bama and GA undefeated... if (big if) they are both undefeated and meet in the sec game, should the looser be passed up by say an 8-3 fighting Irish?  In that system it would.

[JetSwing]

but many times the runner up in a certian conference can be better than the winner of another conference, and these are always taken into account by the polls.

Just like this year with both Bama and GA undefeated... if (big if) they are both undefeated and meet in the sec game, should the looser be passed up by say an 8-3 fighting Irish?  In that system it would.

you can't really go by win/loss record. that's what the current ranking system go by in essence. and it's flawed. also if you win your conference, you get automatic bid to certain bowl games so that already happens now.

this happens in any playoff system meaning you will never have equal strength in brackets.

also if you just lost in a conference championship, what's the point in going to playoff, when you've already proven that you're not not good as the conference champion.

essentially, the conference championship is a qualifying round for the playoff.

that's more than fair enough.

[Jake D]

I think the SEC will pull out of the BCS after this year anyway.  They'll likely have an un-beaten team win the SEC and, for a second or third year in a row, not have a team play for the national championship.  SEC pulls out and the BCS folds.  So this may be moot pretty soon.  I hope.

[vtlion]

but many times the runner up in a certian conference can be better than the winner of another conference, and these are always taken into account by the polls.

Just like this year with both Bama and GA undefeated... if (big if) they are both undefeated and meet in the sec game, should the looser be passed up by say an 8-3 fighting Irish?  In that system it would.

I don't care if a conference runner up is left out... they lost their conference... they can beg and negotiate for an at-large spot, but they have no entitlement to play in the tourney.  They will surely get a consolation bowl game and get to stomp some MAC team or SunBelt team on national television... that's what you get for losing your conference.

[Stephen072774]

then the clear advantage would be an independent team who didn't have a conference championship.