What is the biggest of cause of motorcycle accident?

[Jeff P]

Ok, I'll restate it to say there's no "prevailing mantra of saying it's the rider's fault, regardless of the circumstances".  Cal seems to be saying that, and mackenzie may or may not have.  That's 2.  The rest of us (5) said most and often.  No prevailing mantra.

If you still don't get it, repeat the reading until you do, or have someone explain it to you  

jeff

[Ed_in_Az]

 

[Jeff P]

If you just want to argue, then postwhore away.

Coming from you, the irony in this statement is laughable.  peace  

jeff

[makenzie71]

Ok, I'll restate it to say there's no "prevailing mantra of saying it's the rider's fault, regardless of the circumstances".  Cal seems to be saying that, and mackenzie may or may not have.

First, it's makenzie.

Second, I never placed blame on any particular party.

[RVertigo]

No need to guess about the causes of motorcycle accidents thanks to Motorcycle Accident Cause Factors and Identification of Countermeasures, Volume 1: Technical Report, Hurt, H.H., Ouellet, J.V. and Thom, D.R., Traffic Safety Center, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California 90007, Contract No. DOT HS-5-01160, January 1981 (Final Report)

But, it would be nice if they'd update it...  I'm positive things have changed since 1981.

[JetSwing]

No need to guess about the causes of motorcycle accidents thanks to Motorcycle Accident Cause Factors and Identification of Countermeasures, Volume 1: Technical Report, Hurt, H.H., Ouellet, J.V. and Thom, D.R., Traffic Safety Center, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California 90007, Contract No. DOT HS-5-01160, January 1981 (Final Report)

But, it would be nice if they'd update it...  I'm positive things have changed since 1981.

The Hurt Report said that the vast majority of motorcycle accidents are caused by a car violating a motorcycle's right-of-way.

Which is not to say that they can't be avoided by training, knowledge, practice, skill, observation, experience, prediction, intuition, control, self-control and good judgement.

is it true that the hurt report was published in 1981? if so, i don't think it would honestly represent today's statistics.

[RVertigo]

The idea is still there...  Even though I'd say the "squidly rider error" cause would be higher...

The number one cause is still going to be collision with a car...  And...  I'd say that most of those collisions could have been avoided...  So, I still vote "Rider Error."

[Roadstergal]

I think there's a difference between "It was the rider's fault" and "With more experience, the rider could have avoided the accident."

If a cage violates a bike's right-of-way, an accident is the cager's fault.  Period.  But that is not incompatible with the idea that the biker could have avoided the accident.

[Jeff P]

I think there's a difference between "It was the rider's fault" and "With more experience, the rider could have avoided the accident."

If a cage violates a bike's right-of-way, an accident is the cager's fault.  Period.  But that is not incompatible with the idea that the biker could have avoided the accident.

This is what I've been trying to say.  

An example would be if you're riding along in the right lane of the highway in the area of an interchange. A crazy cager in the left lane realizes he's about to miss his exit, and zooms across the lanes and hits you en route to the exit ramp.  Clearly the cagers fault.  But, we should all be aware that cagers are apt to do this sort of thing, and avoid riding in the right lane at interchanges.  

jeff

[Jake D]

I think we can all agree that taking the MSF course will reduce the likelyhood of an accident from 4% to 2%.


But I'd also point out that 77% of all statistics are made up on the spot (winks at RG).

[JetSwing]

But I'd also point out that 77% of all statistics are made up on the spot (winks at RG).

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

i think you're 92.3% (made up on the spot) correct  

[makenzie71]

The number one cause is still going to be collision with a car...  And...  I'd say that most of those collisions could have been avoided...  So, I still vote "Rider Error."

I've been riding for a long time and have seen a great many of my friends and acquaintances go down.  I've been a part of the motorcycling community for last quarter of my life.  I've been hearing stories since I was 10, been helping with accidents since I was 15.

I can tell you that, no matter what any report anywhere tells you, the number one cause of rider accidents is inexperience, and the mojoraty of ALL motorcycle accidents that involve injury of some sort involve the motorcycle ONLY.

The hurt report...that's utter bullshit.  So is any other "statistic" stating that a specific percentage of accidents are caused by anything.  Statistically, 65% of all cycle-related accidents go unreported at the time of the accident.

[Jeff P]

The hurt report...that's utter bullshit.  So is any other "statistic" stating that a specific percentage of accidents are caused by anything.  Statistically, 65% of all cycle-related accidents go unreported at the time of the accident.

Um, in one breath you call any stats about accidents bullshit, then in the next you throw out your own statistic (without a reference) about accidents.   :dunno:

You're probably correct that the Hurt report understates the number of motorcycle-only accidents.  If I wipe out and don't really get injured, nobody official will probably find out.  Does that make it "utter bullshit"?  I don't think so.  It's the best info we've got.  Certainly better than anecdotes from the internet.  

jeff

[makenzie71]

Um, in one breath you call any stats about accidents bullshit...

Read it again.

The statistic of unreported accidents was gathered from a past issue of Road Racer X or Road Racing World, don't remember which.  I'm sure it's just as flawed as every other statistic posted in here...

Does that make it "utter bullshit"?

Actually, it does.  You've allowed yourself to be removed from the statistic, and have furthered it's inaccuracy.

[Jake D]

There is a 100% chance that the record number of posts for a new member of GStwin.com the first day of membership is 52.


And there is a 100% chance I'm just kidding with you about all the TX stuff!

:lol:

[RVertigo]

I think we can all agree that taking the MSF course will reduce the likelyhood of an accident from 4% to 2%.


But I'd also point out that 77% of all statistics are made up on the spot (winks at RG).

The motorcycle riders involved in accidents are essentially without training; 92% were self-taught or learned from family or friends. Motorcycle rider training experience reduces accident involvement and is related to reduced injuries in the event of accidents.

[JetSwing]

in this particular case, i would have to totally discredit the hurt report.

first it was publushed in 1981. the statstistics used in that report's probably close to 30 years old. just think of how the motorcycle scene was like 30 years ago. half of us were barely walking...it was that long ago! although you can find stats that still apply today, you can pretty much put the report in the garbage.

makenzie71, has brought up an interesting fact. i would say at least 40% (made up on the spot) accidents go unreported. even if you were involved in an small accident with a fairly new motorcycle, it's usually cheaper to fix than to claim it to the insurance company.

[Ed_in_Az]

 

[makenzie71]

There is a 100% chance that the record number of posts for a new member of GStwin.com the first day of membership is 52.


And there is a 100% chance I'm just kidding with you about all the TX stuff!

:lol:

I've only been here about 14 hours...

[Jake D]

I eye balled it.  And you know what Ryan??? I got purdy damn close!!!!!

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Jake D wrote:
I think we can all agree that taking the MSF course will reduce the likelyhood of an accident from 4% to 2%.


But I'd also point out that 77% of all statistics are made up on the spot (winks at RG).
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The motorcycle riders involved in accidents are essentially without training; 92% were self-taught or learned from family or friends. Motorcycle rider training experience reduces accident involvement and is related to reduced injuries in the event of accidents.