Water Fuel

[JetSwing]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8573013059814306652

[3imo]

http://www.keelynet.com/

I have been reading about this for years, from the research I've done, it seems noone has yet disproven the actual science behind it.

there have been many hoaxes but the lie was in the discovery not in the science.

museumofhoaxes.com has an entry and they came up with the same thing.
Snopes.com doesn't even mention it.

If this guy is legit, his lotech approach will be easy to duplicate once he tries to market it. Especially once the internet starts spreading his secret recipe.

[3imo]

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/waterfuel.htm

this is a DIY kit.  I can't find anyone claiming to have made it work.

but I also can't find anyone claiming it won't.  You can't trust the "science" you find on the internet.

but this is very convincing.


I am a skeptic by nature. If you can find someone proving this won't work, Please let me know.

[Codger]

The key is the energy balance.
Big Steaming Heaping Pile of BS.

[LimaXray]

It's BS, it's all BS.  It's just not possible, there is no chemical energy in water.  I mean I guess if you had the whole fusion thing figured out you could use water for fuel, but do you really want people driving around with nuclear reactors?  Not to mention how bad it would be you'd replace the world's water supply with a lot of oxygen and helium.  I guess he could really just be running it on hydrogen which is nothing special.

Anyway, that link that 3imo gave is also BS.  It looks like they're just using electrolysis to make hydrogen.  This won't work because:
1) if everything was perfect with 100% efficiency, it would take all of the energy the engine produced to support the electrolysis.  Of course it's not 100% efficient, it's probably less than 30% efficient, so it will take additional outside energy to run the thing, thus defeating the whole point.
2) if you've ever done electrolysis in a chemistry class you know it is fairly slow, WAAAY too slow to produce fuel in real time.  You could put that nuclear power plant in your trunk and bang out that hydrogen fast enough, but again you defeat the whole purpose.

In the end it's all physics, you can't just make energy, you need to get it from somewhere.

[3imo]

Thats what all the scientific site say, especially about the electrlosis.   My sister (the physics wiz) said what you said LX, damn near word for word.

The link from Jetswing shows the guy doing some magic (without adding any kind of energy) with a box.  He said he submitted a patent. I guess we will have to wait and see.

As a true skeptic you cannot rule out the possibilty simply because the "known" science disagrees.

Galileo said the world was round and traveled around the sun. He was "wrong" according to "known" science at the time.

I refuse to believe its bullshit until he is revealed as a fraud. o'course I won't be sending him money either.

[natedawg120]

yeah i am interested to see what comes of this.  I will keep an eye on it but i find it very hard to believe.

[RVertigo]

Secret formula == Petrol 

[TheGoodGuy]

yeah teh diagrams look like electrolysis.

Trust me its too slow that way. When i need to generate fuel for my fuel cell car that built, i use the fuelcell in reverse mode.. it is SO MUCH faster than electrolsis. It will split a 300ml of water in a few minutes into hydrogen and oxygen. Which i can reuse for a the fuelcell to generate energy in normal mode.

Problem!.. it takes 3v or greater to break the water into fuel, it generates 1.8v - 2v to create energy and make water.

needless to say its not efficient.. I havent worked on it in like 2 summers.. Maybe this summer i should work on it and make it more effecient.

[Egaeus]

How can I believe he's turned water into fuel and is running a motorcycle on it when he can't even ride it well?

[pandy]

If there were truly a way to run vehicles using water, we'd ALL be doing it! 

[Egaeus]

Of course it's true!  I seen it on the internets!  See?

[pandy]

Well....DUH! No one told me it was on the INTERNET! Where do I fill up!? 

[Queso]

You think it's possible that some multi-billionaires might spend a few million squishing threatening competition secretly? What do you think would happen if a superior means of transportation were released into the market? Oil would go kaput. Look up GM's EV1, sometime, and find out what happened for yourself. Overunity generators and compact electrolysis systems are too complex. There are simple electrical properties that have limitless potential were they explored...

[Egaeus]

Well....DUH! No one told me it was on the INTERNET! Where do I fill up!? 

Just grab your garden hose and go to town.   

You think it's possible that some multi-billionaires might spend a few million squishing threatening competition secretly?

I think that's possible.  What I don't think is possible is breaking the the first law of thermodynamics.  They don't have to spend money on bullshit; it takes care of itself. 

Look up GM's EV1, sometime, and find out what happened for yourself.

An experimental prototype that didn't meet safety regulations and was exempted by NHTSA with the condition that they be taken off the road at the end of their lease?  What's your point?  Oh, you mean the kickbacks by the oil companies that have obviously kept GM at the top of the automotive heap....

Overunity generators and compact electrolysis systems are too complex. There are simple electrical properties that have limitless potential were they explored...

Again, you can't get something for nothing.  You can't make a generator that powers itself and supplies power.  You can't make an engine that drives electrolysis and runs off the byproducts as well as driving the wheels of a car.  You will never get more out than you put in, and that's what you're asking for with these harebrained schemes.

[Phaedrus]

Well, with all of the nuclear pollutants in the water these days...I don't think it is that much of a stretch 

[pandy]

Just grab your garden hose and go to town.   

Whoa! Like, you mean, like, it's like REGULAR water!? Like!?