New Answering Your Questions on Islam Thread

[ajgs500]

Islam is soooooo 2001.  Lets talk about North Korea instead.

[werase643]

politics and religion.....


good way to stir up a SH!T STORM

[NiceGuysFinishLast]

Islam is soooooo 2001.  Lets talk about North Korea instead.

f%$king Koreans... Oh wait...

[Chris2P]

.................."Our country has had a huge influx of east indian folk move here recently"


Mike mike, I thought people from India are hindus, right?  Different religion.  And that Muslims originate from the middle east and the religion migrated into africa.  I had a conversation with a black man from africa who told me that although alot of africans are christians(spread through the influence of catholic missionaries), an almost equal amount of africans are muslim which spread from the middle east


Chris

[banner]

Okay heres the answer to the women and Islam Question 

Every culture has its differences and the key to understanding a different culture is to look at it with open eyes, unadulterated with any "cultural filters". As someone who has been raised here all of my life I have to try to see other cultures and religions with open eyes; its difficult to not mentally ridicule everything we see that is different than what we know and have been used to all our lives.

The First thing to understand about Islam is the integral belief that god is Absolutely Just. He would never create injustice towards women or men. If any injustice is seen in a society or by the practitioners of a religion it is most probably separate from the true spirit of the religion. In ANY society it is so. It has most probably been created by people and most definitely not by god.

Islam views men and women as two completely equal individuals. Yet it's very apparent to us that men and women are not the same in equal ways. For example one is physically stronger. Another is able to bear children. Another is less emotionally sensitive while the other is more so. It's very obvious that they are not equal in a "split down the line" way. So how am I saying they are equal as individuals in Islam? They are equal if looked at in the whole scheme of things. One has more rights in a certain area that complements who they are while another has less rights in a certain area where it may benefit it them. It doesn't make sense for two individuals to split things down the line while they have completely different needs and wants. Yet these are two beings created by god as equals at the end of the day. Anyone who claims a woman has less rights than a man or that a man has less rights than a women is claiming that god is unjust and this would go against the base doctrine of any religion.

I'll give examples: In islam a man is required by religious law to provide anything his wife needs as far as money, clothes, a comfortable home, a car...etc. It is his duty to provide as best as he can and if he doesn't he's actually failed in his religious duty. As in he has sinned! Islamically the women isn't required to lift a finger to wash dishes...vacuum, take care of the kids...etc. She can if she wants, but that's upto her. Of course normally both people chip in as best as they can but we're speaking specific rights. On the flipside it's the husbands right to have to upto 4 wives if he wants (can handle without hurting himself or going crazy). Apart from this he doesn't have really any rights over his wife. Frankly it seems like the woman gets the better end of the deal but having to deal with childbirth, menopause...etc pretty much settles the score.

The right to vote, to own property, to choose their own life partner were all given to women more than 1400 years ago and practiced. This is the reality of Islamic Law.

As to the question on who can interpret a text its much easier in Islam than in other religions. We only have 2 main sects and even these two sects agree on almost everything except one small issue. An outsider looking at these two sects would think that they were the same. So unlike Christianity where you have so many different beliefs and sects we don't have that problem so much. I would wager a guess that 80-90 percent of muslims agree on about 95% of religious issues. That's where the authority of interpretation comes from.

[mike_mike]

.................."Our country has had a huge influx of east indian folk move here recently"


Mike mike, I thought people from India are hindus, right?  Different religion.  And that Muslims originate from the middle east and the religion migrated into africa.  I had a conversation with a black man from africa who told me that although alot of africans are christians(spread through the influence of catholic missionaries), an almost equal amount of africans are muslim which spread from the middle east


Chris

yeah you are correct.. maybe my comment was a little off. Frankly we have a lot of folks from everywhere in that area, and i'm still admitiately a little flakey on my geography.

[Chris2P]

......"Lets talk about North Korea instead."


Well the Clinton administration sold nuclear technology to the North Koreans.  They were suppose to build energy plants with the technology but decided to build missiles instead.  Supposedly from a satlelite image, only the capital of North Korea is lit at night.  No where else in the country has electricity.  If you want my opinion, an embargo on North Korea is the wrong move.  How desperate do you need to be to develop nuclear weapons when your people are starving.  We should have a more open dialogue with them.  Just my opinion.

Nah, I'm more interested in the middle east.  My suspiscion is that a lot more has happened there than what has been reported.  9-11 didnt happen on a whim.  Alot of stuff has been bottled up for a while.......me thinks.



Chris

[Chris2P]

...."In islam a man is required by religious law to provide anything his wife needs as far as money, clothes, a comfortable home, a car...etc. It is his duty to provide as best as he can and if he doesn't he's actually failed in his religious duty. As in he has sinned!".......


I think my wife would all heartledly agree with that



Chris

[Chris2P]

..........."Most of the hijackers were in fact Saudis of wahhabi persuasion from what I have read."...............



Banner,

I have heard of that from many news sources as well.   In fact, there was a congressional hearing maybe about 6 months ago that had evidence that the Saudi embassey, IN THE USA, was giving out anti-american literature, in the US, written in the arabic language.  This is the same Saudi government that is so close to the Bush's and other oil investors here in the US.


Chris

[ajgs500]

[CirclesCenter]

Banner,

I've got one.

What's with people going all "Holy War"? I mean i don't know much about Islam, but I'm pretty sure God said to everybody, "Thou Shalt Not Kill." or something similar.

Wouldn't that make all wars unholy?

[pantablo]

not if you're doing God's work.

[banner]

Islamically there is no such thing as holy war. We don't have any phrase in arabic that says holy war...lol

The only permissible way to wage war is self-defense. Even then civilians, crops, and non-military targets are off limits.

As to the Saudi thing...hehe yeah. Me thinks there are some issues to resolve

[ajgs500]

Well it seems like they arent following their own rules

[yamahonkawazuki]

basically i say again what i said in the first thread . but ill condense it. if you want to have some idea about a religion, muslim christian judaism moromon whatever, juist read their "holy book" and if you can ask several people who are if the particular religion theyr views. 

[banner]

I honestly don't think thats valid bro. The average person is usually very ignorant about their religion, be they jew, christian, hindu, or muslim. I could read the bible and ask 4 christians and i would get no where. I think a better approach would be to indepthly study a religion using that religions sources and then take that farther by speaking with a well versed scholar (or two or three). That would give me a good feel for a religion!

[ajgs500]

Would you consider Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Oral Roberts well versed Christian Scholars? 

[ajgs500]

Is it just me or does Oral Roberts sound like a porn name?

[Jake D]

Oral Roberts is the man.

I think there is a lot of truth in what banner is saying.  It is my belief that 9/11 happened because we are on Saudi soil in the first place.  It could also be said that we invaded Iraq so we could get out of Saudi Arabia (and have somplace to go, ie., a democratic ally in the Middle East).  These are two very broad statements, but there are underpinnings for these theories in everything that has been said so far.

AJ, if you don't like this thread, quit reading it.  Please.

[ajgs500]

How did ever said I didnt like this thread???  I am a little miffed about why my perfectly valid questions were never answered by the thread starter who claimed to try and answer questions on Islam.    Terrorists are just crazy.  We thinking with our western mindset and cultural values will never be able to completely understand their motivations and theos.  Although loss of life of innocents is completely horrible, the terrorist's plan was brilliant.