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l3uddha · November 19, 2006, 09:52:45 AM

Quote from: makenzie71 on November 18, 2006, 09:36:04 PM
The point you're making is lost on me. Try being coherent.

Typical childish attitude Mak. It's no wonder why people are arguing with you in thread after thread, forum after forum. I thought this argumant was going to fizzle out after what Mk1 said, but you obviously want to keep it going for some reason...

I'll start with this:

Quote from: makenzie71 on November 18, 2006, 08:46:00 PM
Just oncerning incomplete work...when it's clearly labeled "incomplete".

You said yourself that the highmount GS exhaust was finished, with the exception of the black paint. Sorry to be the one(hundredth) to tell you this Mak, but the lack of finish on the pipe wasnt the problem.

Quote from: makenzie71 on November 18, 2006, 08:46:00 PM
Actually no one made constructive suggestions...they said stuff like route the plumbing behind the pillion peg (no room) and use a different can (not cost effective and would require new plumbing setup) and stuff like that. It's just not viable. I'll continue to offer an exhaust but it'll be a low mount with the can's base hung in th factory location. I may offer a highmount again later if materials become available to me to keep the same price tag.

You got tons of great suggestions for improving the exhaust! You could have made some small changes, but admit it; you just didnt feel like doing it! You never even set a price either! So what do you mean "keep the same price tag"? Doing a little more R&D to come up with a better system, based on the suggestions you get, wont significantly raise any (imaginary) price tag. Come up with a great exhaust and people WILL pay damn good money for it! Come up with a crap exhaust, and well... you dont get crap for it.

1) I dont know about that, looks pretty wack. The long pipe going from under the bike to the can really draws attention from the can itself.
2) I think a little bend up and then out after the mounting point to make it more even w/ the rear body line would be perfect
3) tuck the pipe into the frame of the bike. right now it hangs out too much and just looks like a monstrosity; even when painted black.
4) what ever can be done to hide the pipe better would look great.
5) get the can in-line with the tail plastic.
6) I am surprised that you did not put some kind of S-bend after the peg to angle the exhaust down some. There is room, evethough it would not have been mounted as high as it is now, which looks like crap.
7) The angles are all wrong. It's a better job than I could ever do... but that's why I'm not doing it. I agree it needs to be in line with the tail to not make my eyes cross when I look at it. I would have photoshopped a few revs before making anything out of metal.

Definitely not gonna attract alot of people with that kind of fit and finish. Tig welded exhaust with aesthetic curves in SS and then you may get a more positive response

You got tons of constructive criticism Mak. THE PROBLEM IS THAT RATHER THAN TAKE NOTE OF THEM, YOU FOLLOWED EACH ONE WITH A FRIGGIN LAME EXCUSE!!!!
I dont know what kind of fantasy world you're living in, but succesful products are based off of the customers' needs and wants. You made the idea of a highmount sound great and people DO want one. What you came up with was not what people wanted. We gave you more, precise ideas of what we wanted... and yes, you basically told us that THAT WAS IT and to stfu. Rather than improve what should have been the test version, to which would be modified further; you decided to can the whole idea, get pissey, and make an embarrasment out of yourself. It's your own fault.

Kasumi stated it much better.

Quote from: Kasumi on November 18, 2006, 03:17:31 PM
Basically people comment on your work Mak. And to be honest you say you take them into consideration but all i've heard is everyone who criticises you been told to STFU.

As for the high mount its a fantastic idea. However you don't just ask a customer what they want - get told its a custom high mount then you go make it and say its done like it or lump it. It's called product development. You pilot the first ones see what people think then you make changes as is needed. Your high mount could have potentially been a huge money making venture on GStwins if you had taken the time to develop it properly. Obviously though you would rather start another couple of projects for your enjoyment.

Also if you've been making exhausts for 10 years and are welding all the time to make all your customer stuff why not just invest in a bloody TIG man. . .

If your going to make your products to the masses then fine pilot your stuff with cheaper materials - talk to your customers about the functionality of the products - make design changes and upgrade qualities of materials to match what your customers will pay. Its common sense.

If you want to make products people will like then stop basing this all on luck of throwing something together which will sell and put a buisness head on.

Or how about making products that you actually plan on developing from crap into QUALITY. I suggest getting a GS to use as a test-mule if you're going to continue on making mods for the GS. I dont know how the hell you plan on making ANY quality parts for the GS when all you're doing is getting a bike for a few hours, taking a few measurements, and then the bike is GONE and you're making the parts. I suppose you're just crossing your fingers when the bike does return in hopes that it actually fits. Seems pretty similar to measuring once and cutting twice.

You have virtually NO research and development for your products, you never seem to have access to the correct or "good" parts, and what's worse is that you're trying to make mods for a bike that you dont even own and have very sparce access to. What scares me is that, with your obviously disfunctional design process, you next wanted to move up to a front brake mod, after failing miserably with the exhaust. ummmmm.... RED FLAG!!!!!

NiceGuysFinishLast · November 19, 2006, 12:51:25 PM

I don't get why you're attacking mak for moving to brakes from exhaust. Functionally, his exhaust performs fine. It routes the exhaust from the engine through a muffler, creates the right amount of back pressure, and keeps the bike from running like shaZam!. Just because it's ugly doesn't mean it doesn't work.

wannabebiker2006 · November 19, 2006, 01:09:50 PM

Quote from: NiceGuysFinishLast on November 19, 2006, 12:51:25 PM
I don't get why you're attacking mak for moving to brakes from exhaust. Functionally, his exhaust performs fine. It routes the exhaust from the engine through a muffler, creates the right amount of back pressure, and keeps the bike from running like shaZam!. Just because it's ugly doesn't mean it doesn't work.

I dont think that the biggest complaint here is what does to his bike. What I think really gets everybody's "goat" is that while Mak feels no restraint in criticizing others work here on the board, that any little bit of criticism to his own work results in a childish attack as his response.

makenzie71 · November 19, 2006, 04:05:43 PM

Quote from: l3uddha on November 19, 2006, 09:52:45 AM
Typical childish attitude Mak. It's no wonder why people are arguing with you in thread after thread, forum after forum. I thought this argumant was going to fizzle out after what Mk1 said, but you obviously want to keep it going for some reason...

Actually it was Mk1's insistance that kept this up...he made an attack, I defend. That's all there is.

QuoteYou said yourself that the highmount GS exhaust was finished, with the exception of the black paint. Sorry to be the one(hundredth) to tell you this Mak, but the lack of finish on the pipe wasnt the problem.

Some more people with litteracy issues...

QuoteYou got tons of great suggestions for improving the exhaust!

Actuall...no I didn't. Nothing that hadn't already been taken into consideration long before I had the bike there to build on.

1) I dont know about that, looks pretty wack. The long pipe going from under the bike to the can really draws attention from the can itself.
~That's where people wanted the can. No other way to get it there.

2) I think a little bend up and then out after the mounting point to make it more even w/ the rear body line would be perfect
~Won't carry over between body styles.

3) tuck the pipe into the frame of the bike. right now it hangs out too much and just looks like a monstrosity; even when painted black.
~No room...and the tubing actually is closer to the body and frame that stock. It's as close as it can get without modification to the frame.

4) what ever can be done to hide the pipe better would look great.
~It's as hidden as it can get without modification to the frame.

5) get the can in-line with the tail plastic.
~See number 2. Won't carry over between body styles.

6) I am surprised that you did not put some kind of S-bend after the peg to angle the exhaust down some. There is room, evethough it would not have been mounted as high as it is now, which looks like crap.
~See number 2.

7) The angles are all wrong. It's a better job than I could ever do... but that's why I'm not doing it. I agree it needs to be in line with the tail to not make my eyes cross when I look at it. I would have photoshopped a few revs before making anything out of metal.
~See number 2.

Definitely not gonna attract alot of people with that kind of fit and finish. Tig welded exhaust with aesthetic curves in SS and then you may get a more positive response
~Tig welding + SS = not my customer base. It'd cost more than V&H/etc.

I remember every single complement, complaint, and suggestion. I responded to them all appropriately.

QuoteWhat you came up with was not what people wanted.

It actually is an accumilation what everyone asked for, as closely adapted to an unmodified frame as possible. My primary requests were"

upswept cans like TL/RC/RVT/Mille/etc
unmodified frame
shorty can (only one I used at the time anyway)
cheap

Barring the unrealistic, what people asked for is exactly what I gave them. Target price was $200 shipped. Upswept shorty can, unmodified frame and dirt cheap.

Quoteyou next wanted to move up to a front brake mod, after failing miserably with the exhaust. ummmmm.... RED FLAG!!!

It wasn't a failure. No one wanted it because it didn't look like an exhaust made for a bike that actually has room for a high mount...owned by people who can afford higher dollar yoshies and M4's and shaZam! like that.

The caliper adaptes are very effective, by the way. Just adapters themselves I've sold nearly 100 to nearly as many very happy customers...and I used them on my bandit, FZ600, EX500's, and still use them on my XS.

Quote from: wannabebiker2006 on November 19, 2006, 01:09:50 PM
I dont think that the biggest complaint here is what does to his bike. What I think really gets everybody's "goat" is that while Mak feels no restraint in criticizing others work here on the board, that any little bit of criticism to his own work results in a childish attack as his response.

There's a difference between criticism and an attack...you should really take the time to go back check out what really happened instead of just popping up in random place to spew nonsense. By the way, you'll actually be extreme hard pressed to find any negetive criticism or an attack on my part toward anything that someone has put their own hard work into. Though their own projects may not suit my taste, I applaud anyone who actually builds anything.

wannabebiker2006 · November 19, 2006, 04:30:21 PM

Quote from: makenzie71 on November 14, 2006, 12:37:09 PM

...they're unfinnished projects you illiterate twit. Before making retarded comments about other people's work you should consider taking some time to learn how to read.

THere are many more but you are not worth the time to fish through all of your spew to find them.

Dont worry Mak. You are still pretty.

makenzie71 · November 19, 2006, 04:52:25 PM

Quote from: wannabebiker2006 on November 19, 2006, 04:30:21 PM
THere are many more but you are not worth the time to fish through all of your spew to find them

Many more? That's not even one. Another moron.

wannabebiker2006 · November 19, 2006, 05:17:04 PM

Quote from: makenzie71 on November 14, 2006, 12:37:09 PM

...they're unfinnished projects you illiterate twit. Before making retarded comments about other people's work you should consider taking some time to learn how to read.

Illiterate twit IS a childish attack. An appropiate adult response would go something like, "...they're unfinished projects." or "...they're unfinnished projects. Maybe I was unclear, or maybe you misunderstood a part of my post." And just leave that second sentence out. That has no other purpose than to be an attack.

Oh wait I found another childish attack in your last post. "Another moron."

Dont worry, Mak. You're still pretty.

pantablo · November 19, 2006, 10:51:31 PM

Quote from: wannabebiker2006 on November 19, 2006, 05:17:04 PM
Quote from: makenzie71 on November 14, 2006, 12:37:09 PM

...they're unfinnished projects you illiterate twit. Before making retarded comments about other people's work you should consider taking some time to learn how to read.

Illiterate twit IS a childish attack. An appropiate adult response would go something like, "...they're unfinished projects." or "...they're unfinnished projects. Maybe I was unclear, or maybe you misunderstood a part of my post." And just leave that second sentence out. That has no other purpose than to be an attack.

Oh wait I found another childish attack in your last post. "Another moron."

Dont worry, Mak. You're still pretty.

aj?

makenzie71 · November 19, 2006, 10:54:24 PM

First thought, myself...but let it go as I didn't smell anything "wierd".

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