another gs stalling...stumped...please send help!!

[blueskygal]

'nother thing to check that just occurred to me because it's happening to me, and it's such a "duh" thing that I didn't think to check it... what's the inside of the tank look like? Mine developed some decent surface rust, and I believe it's that which is causing my problem.

Oh - thanks - actually that was one of the first things checked - with my zippo  (see earlier post) but it looks fine!  What are you doing to do about your rust??

[Jay_wolf]

Test Drive Unlimited , is a game on the xbox 360, its gota few bikes on it as well , namly the Zx10 

[NiceGuysFinishLast]

'nother thing to check that just occurred to me because it's happening to me, and it's such a "duh" thing that I didn't think to check it... what's the inside of the tank look like? Mine developed some decent surface rust, and I believe it's that which is causing my problem.

Oh - thanks - actually that was one of the first things checked - with my zippo  (see earlier post) but it looks fine!  What are you doing to do about your rust??

gonna either pay a radiator shop to line it, or do kreem myself.. not sure yet. Also heard of this stuff called red-kote.. gonna look into it.

Boy, I'm drunk. That was amazingly coherent.. go me... Jay, I think you posted in the wrong thread..

[Jay_wolf]

NGFL , what is was, some asked what a Sky was , so i sed it was a Satern Sky , its on a game , i had never even heard of the car before that , and then blue asked me what test drive unlimited was ...

[blueskygal]

THanks, Jay, I had no idea the Sky was in a game - how cool!  It's a great car!


Anybody know about the Solenoid?  COuld this problem be related to that?  (erratic idle and cutting off??)  Thanks. 

NGFL - don't drive, just post!!

[Trwhouse]

Hi BlueSky,
Actually, I thought your name meant you love Wyoming, or Willie Nelson ("Blue SKies"). 
And to answer your Q, your bike's problem has nothing to do with the starter solenoid. That is an electrical switch that activates the starter when you hit the starter button. It has nothing to do with your cutting out and stalling issues.
Just to check... If you've done all the carb and fuel flow checks and all is well...
Have you checked your coil wires where they come out of the coils? Sometimes they can come loose. You can see multiple posts about this by doing a search of the site.
Has a mechanic done charging system checks to be sure the alternator and rectifier/voltage regulator are working properly?
And have you checked every single charging system wire to be sure that it is connected and not shorted?
Had the bike ever fallen over or been crashed? This is a critical question... here's why...
If so, often an often overlooked sliced or damaged wire at a handlebar switch can be the culprit, particularly the kill switch (a short there would cause it to die) or at the clutch lever safety switch.
I'd even check the sidestand safety switch to be sure it is not shorting out. You can unplug it and put a jumper wire across the connectors to take the switch out of the system to test to see if it is working properly or not.
This is a bugger of a problem, your bike has.
Keep us informed as you try these things...
Yours,
Todd

[bigfatcat]

Your first post in this thread says you got jumped started from an 'electric car'  - hope that was 12 volts, was it ?

You recently replaced battery - are you sure the positive post has the original insulation cover, and the battery is firmly secured so that it can't shift around ?   cuz your first post sounds like the bike stalls as you decelerate, come off the throttle, exit freeway to ramp where something electrical  is moving around enough to ground to the frame, possibly killing the primary ignition circuit.

Do you still have the erratic idle ?  Seems that occured after you had the carbs rebuilt ?   

[blueskygal]

Thanks!!  Now I've got another list of items to try - will have to say that neither the coils nor every electical wire was checked.  The bike has 'fallen over' a few times, but long ago before the problem started.   "fallen over" as in newbie dropping it in the driveway.   

The erratic idle DOES seem to have appeared since the carbs redone, however, maybe I just didn't notice it cuz the problem is the same...altho is occuring more.

I will follow up on the battery issue (yes 12 volt jump) and ensure it's secure.  I believe it is. The voltage off of it was fine. 

The bike starts up fine and at speed runs great.  Decel/stopping....cuts out.  I'll follow up on these tips!  Thanks so much!!!

[bigfatcat]

bumping this to see how it turned out

[blueskygal]

Y'all aren't gonna believe this - but my bike is STILL in the shop.  I have the state and regional reps aware and giving the current mechanic suggestions and a Suzuki Case Worker!! 

I've heard every possible explaination under the sun -
-the  stalling being a result of my "abberant riding behavior" 
-I've put too many miles on the bike in a year (11K in 11 months)
-I wore the bike out
-It's a woman rider thing

For a week they were going to take out the 04 carbs and replace them w/ a pre-04 carb....but another rep suggested to look in a different direction. 

All in all - every mechanical road that the mechanic takes - doesn't come up with an answer.  I've taken lists of all that you folks have recommended here to the mechanic and they've tried most of them.   American Suzuki has heard me on numerous occasions say "the guys on the forum are suggesting....."!!!

We are getting no where - and I need to ride.  SO while my first love sits in the shop, I did buy a Kawi 650R.  Cuz I am thinking Thanksgiving when a true fix is found.

IS ANYONE HAVING ANY STALLING TROUBLE on their 04s???  and thanks for all your help.

[bullseye]

To expand on what BlueskyG says, I was there at the shop with her and her hubby today. These are the suggested points to look at by the official suzuki rep.

!st check to make sure a valve is not tight (no one thinks that's the case but we have to do this methodically or suzuki might deny payment)
2nd. the o-rings under the boots below the carbs, not sure what the boots are but the o rings there are to be checked.
3rd.the rep feel it's an air leak somewhere in the intake so that's the next step.

Told BGG, if it were me, I'd dump this  thing on ebay with the issue being fully described and get whatever I could for it, since she's gotten another ride now.

[blueskygal]

Thanks for expanding on my post, Chris, I actually was going to ask you to add that as I did glaze over a bit when we were in the shop....

[galahs]

This is just a wild shot in the air...

is the carb breather hose blocked?

[blueskygal]

This is just a wild shot in the air...

is the carb breather hose blocked?

Well, nothing is a wild guess at this point -but they did check that hose in the beginning and found a leak, actually, replaced it>  we were hopeful that was the answer, but...not.

Spoke with American Suzuki again - and if the above plan doesn't work, they will send one of their area travelling technicians to the dealer to look at that bike.  Actually I am hoping we find the problem this week.

[blueskygal]

UPDATE

It's now nearly 3 months with this bike being in the shop -

and American Suzuki is sending a mechanic to the bike.

Maybe....maybe....maybe... (But after 3 months of this - my hopes are NOT up)

I feel like I should take bets on what they'll find!!!

Cautiously optimisitic, I am.

[vwlover]

Have they checked the TPS yet ? This sound like a funky tps to me, he!l if it is not adjusted right this could happen. Have you ever adjusted the idle? If you have then the tps is not adjusted right. ( if anybody thinks i'm wrong that adjusting the idle will mess up the TPS adjustment  ) Also have they checked the ignition control module? Maybe something went nutty inside (small chance) but worth a look. Stalling on decel and a screwy idle screams ignition system not adjusted right. By the way I ran this by my teacher ( motorcycle rebuilder and racer) at school ( UTI ) and he agrees with me. To bad it's not an 07, lemon law baby. Good luck.

You did adjust the Idle Have them check the TPS adjustment , the TPS is not set at it's idle postion. That could be your problem.

[blueskygal]

AFTER all that agony and turmoil.....I have the bike back home safe and sound - and even better - running as good as new and not stalling EVER!!

American Suzuki sent a rep who recommended the shop check the valves.  The shop reminded the Rep and I reminded them that the valves were done at shop #1.   Now - shop #1 was completing it's 10K service and I mentioned the stalling issue.  They worked on neither (basically just looked at the bike)> I took it back to them with the service manual's list of 10K activities and asked for the valves to be check to ensure they were in spec.  What they told me (yes, on a cold bike) was that they needed  a little adjusting and they were now fine and in spec.   

WELL after sitting in numerous shops over almost 4 months - the last shop found the VALVES TO BE OUT OF SPEC - the first intake and last out put (???not sure if that means anything to any of you - but I want to be helpful to anyone who might experience this). 

In the meanwhile I got motorcyclepsychosis and nearly lost it a number of times. 

KUDOS to those of you who were telling me "valves, valves, valves"  but we thought they were fixed.  Hopefully no one will go thru this ordeal!

Thanks to all of you for your advice and help!

[starwalt]

Three cheers for BSG returning to her thread and letting us hear the end of the story!




Now ride that thang and get over the "itis" of the chosis. 

[blueskygal]

Now ride that thang and get over the "itis" of the chosis. 
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Sorry it took me so long to get back and finish the book!! AND that bike rides GREAT now - took it to the mountains in N Ga, NCarolina last weekend and round our favorite roads here - it's running great now.....

and my mood is so much better!!!

[da602krew]

Yup,
I got another one over here its been doing the samething its been acting up for two months . checked everything i'll say it again "EVERYTHING" even paid the dealer to double check the valves got the standard "their in spec" answer which didnt sit right with me and after talking back and worth with kerry and blueskygal (which by the way you guys freakin rock) i chose to check them my self. Well well well  guess what i found, both exhaust valves have .000 tol. and are so tight that the buckets wont even turn. Leads me to beleave the valves are not even closing, as well as i can see wear on my cam due to the fact its in constant contact with the shim. I called suzuki and got them up to speed as well as video documented it, because im going to take it back the dealer and make them double check there work. If they try to tell me "their in spec" and charge me/rip me off I will be persuing this legally as fraud, as well as recovering $$$ ive alredy paid to have this checked. The balls in their court now!! lol It's pretty sad when you have a 3yr service pack and cant trust the dealer with your machine.

I'll keep ya posted
David-