Serious Security Questions at Sky Harbor Airport

[frankieG]

sorry jake you lost me on that last one

[Jake D]

Yeah, that's going to happen from time to time.  But "weapons of war and bullying other countries", with the exception of the legitmate pursuit of Al-Queda, is vastly differently from homeland defense.  IMO. 

[frankieG]

cause and effect my friend

[Jake D]

Have you ever considered it is actually effect and cause?

[frankieG]

honestly no, the US has killed more and meddled more than any terrorist organization.  just look at our actions, if it were any other organization other than the US government it would cause an all out war.  such things as assassinations, over throwing governments, supporting the likes of Saddam Hussein and al kaida (SP) it is a large and disturbing list.

[spc]

Such things as assasinations, and overthrowing governments are not perpetrated by the US government. That would be a very blatant violation of the Geneva conventions that we hold so dearly.   Instead, we assist in creating conditions conducive to these actions being performed by 'outside' parties.

[RVertigo]

You've been on the watch list for years, commie.

I'm not a commie!  I'm a capitalist pig, with a few socialist leanings.

Socially Liberal (Keep the bedroom in the bedroom and give everyone the same rights)
Fiscally Conservative (Stop friggen spending)

I want less government, less laws, more rights, and more freedom.

Communism (in practice) has very, very little freedom.

[bettingpython]

^Damn it....now I can't hate you

[blue05twin]

[RVertigo]

^Damn it....now I can't hate you

For which part?

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/dlchris1/gov-logo.jpg

BAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

[scottpA_GS]

Such things as assasinations, and overthrowing governments are not perpetrated by the US government. That would be a very blatant violation of the Geneva conventions that we hold so dearly.   Instead, we assist in creating conditions conducive to these actions being performed by 'outside' parties.

Ooo yea... You know it 

[MrDan]

They should take away all air port security and make play grounds with the money.  Homeland security should be ablolished and the money there used to pay health care.

Why we are at it, the police force should be abolished and we can use that money to fund schools.

You guys are pissed because you have to wait in line for a extra 15 t0 20 min?     I can affored to wait that long so I feel safer boarding my plane.  And like it said it wasn't all airports just that one.

The main point here is we have all this extra security and we are NOT safer...   

not at this airport...but what about others?

I'm sure that planes from Phoenix fly to most other major airports.  They then fly on from there.  So a major security lapse at one airport does not really limit the potential for harm TO that airport.

That being said, most security measures are REactive not PROactive.  One potential shoe bomber = no shoes at security for years.  Theoretical (but impossible) liquid bomb = no more liquids brought on (really sucks to not be able to bring stuff back from trips).  It's just a false sense of security.

As to freedoms, it's a slippery slope.  Look at our friends across the pond.  It seems that you cannot walk around any major city in England without being on camera constantly (please correct me if I'm wrong on that).  At what point does that become too invasive for you?

Personally, it's enough to dissuade me from going there ... and I don't have anything to hide.

[MrDan]

Sure.  But it isn't easy.  But you're a f%$king dipshit if you think that it is easy to employ a banned item once you've bypassed security. 

Describe one banned item, how you could get it through security, and how you could use it to harm the plane or passengers. 

I believe it was NBC who was able to get shotguns and assault rifles through security in NY.  Have to go find those shows.  Would be rather easy to use once through

[bettingpython]

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

[trumpetguy]

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

+100

Here I am agreeing with BP again.  Is it a full moon or something? (Actually, I suspect that we agree more than disagree -- there are probably only one or two areas of differences)

The chances of dying from many accidental causes were greater than from a terror attack, even in 2001.  Does that mean we should not be vigilant and watch out for ourselves?  No.  But we also shouldn't give up our freedoms in order to be "secure" from terrorists. 

And perhaps we should investigate POLITICAL solutions to the underlying problems that terrorists are willing to die for.  "Exporting Democracy" at the barrel of a gun isn't a political solution, and only makes the problem worse.

[bettingpython]

Here I am agreeing with BP again.  Is it a full moon or something? (Actually, I suspect that we agree more than disagree -- there are probably only one or two areas of differences)

See here's the thing I have some liberal opinions but I am middle of the road kinda on the conservative side of those opinions. When it comes to my conservative opinions I can get pretty rabid about them. Basically I'm like a dartboard take a toss and see where I land