WTS: 1990 GS500E

[Mayoke]

**SOLD**

[The Buddha]

Mayoke - want to send me these carbs, I'll check it out free.
You think coating is comming loose and cloggin the carb.
BTW you see if choke is sticking open still
Your diagnosis has to be complete before you start work on any problem.
That tank didn't need coating, the carbs were set up well and I seriously doubt the fuel in your area.
Several people have ridden it. You suddenly get a whole list of problems which were even absent on your test drive. I could have easily swapped it for a coated body set if I thought it needed a coating. I definetly definetly say fuel. I Trucked it several 100 miles to my house, then a good 100 to Ken's where average rode it, then I trucked it back and I rode it several times before trucking it to you. Crap from crap pockets didn't come loose from all of these, I doubt there was anything there to start with.
Anyway complete diagnosis before touching anything.
Now you do all this work and the problem is back. I definetly blame the fuel or coating clogging up the carb. Either way, I'll trouble shoot for you if you need.
Cool.
Srinath.

[Mayoke]

Mayoke - want to send me these carbs, I'll check it out free.
You think coating is comming loose and cloggin the carb.
BTW you see if choke is sticking open still
Your diagnosis has to be complete before you start work on any problem.
That tank didn't need coating, the carbs were set up well and I seriously doubt the fuel in your area.
Several people have ridden it. You suddenly get a whole list of problems which were even absent on your test drive. I could have easily swapped it for a coated body set if I thought it needed a coating. I definetly definetly say fuel. I Trucked it several 100 miles to my house, then a good 100 to Ken's where average rode it, then I trucked it back and I rode it several times before trucking it to you. Crap from crap pockets didn't come loose from all of these, I doubt there was anything there to start with.
Anyway complete diagnosis before touching anything.
Now you do all this work and the problem is back. I definetly blame the fuel or coating clogging up the carb. Either way, I'll trouble shoot for you if you need.
Cool.
Srinath.

Filter is crystal clear.
Nothing getting through and the tank DID need to get coated. If you doubt my word, ask blue05twin how bad everything was and how much crap came out of it when we dropped the float bowls.
I'm done with it.
3 weeks and the bike has been one thing after the other.
Not quite the "road worthy" you spoke of or you and I have VERY different ideas of what is road worthy.
It's not the gas in the area too. If it were, every single motorcycle in my area would be on the side the road. I'm telling you, QT fills tanks like almost every day.
If the bike is some mutant "super sensitive omg the octane is 1/100 off" then it does me no good either.
What? I go on a road trip and I can't gas anywhere but one specific spot of it will die? Come on!
There are people here who know the bike and know how to do everything to it. The carbs need some work.
Will make a good bike for someone but not me.

[Jay_wolf]

Mayoke, Looking at this . My Favor Goes towards Srinath , he sells bikes all the time ,and is a gs500 guru . he does seem to have a answer to every question * that hasnt be asked a million times already , My gs has never needed any tweaking , apart from the rejet , and the tweaking was minor and i run with no flat spots in it what so ever



Does seem wierd how it was tested by 3/4 people perfect, and now it just is screwed up , before u throw the beast away , *assuming you have a Cage to get around  , what possable harm is it that you send the carbs to have them checked by what id consider a Professional , all your paying is shipping , then after than u want to sell it , fine ,at least u can sell a bike which runs well and get the money you payed for it , instead of a Weak offer or selling half the bike ,ive spent around 100 hours of tidying , fitting ,cleaning and theres been lows and highs , times ive wanted to cry , and when i saw her , just before shes going to paint , i have a Lovely bike and i smile when i look how mean she is

What you got to lose?

[heatherg11]

i agree, srinath knows his stuff.....let him do your carbs, he's offering to do them free. what could it hurt?

[Mayoke]

Mayoke, Looking at this . My Favor Goes towards Srinath , he sells bikes all the time ,and is a gs500 guru . he does seem to have a answer to every question * that hasnt be asked a million times already , My gs has never needed any tweaking , apart from the rejet , and the tweaking was minor and i run with no flat spots in it what so ever



Does seem wierd how it was tested by 3/4 people perfect, and now it just is screwed up , before u throw the beast away , *assuming you have a Cage to get around  , what possable harm is it that you send the carbs to have them checked by what id consider a Professional , all your paying is shipping , then after than u want to sell it , fine ,at least u can sell a bike which runs well and get the money you payed for it , instead of a Weak offer or selling half the bike ,ive spent around 100 hours of tidying , fitting ,cleaning and theres been lows and highs , times ive wanted to cry , and when i saw her , just before shes going to paint , i have a Lovely bike and i smile when i look how mean she is

What you got to lose?

What I have to lose is more time and more money.
3 weeks and the bike is one thing after the other.
It's not just me. There is another person that saw this first hand.
I'm not trying to start a war here but I'm telling you the bike was not what I was told.
Whether it happened during him trucking it up or whatever, it's not right.
Yeah, I had a test ride. I rode about .5 miles. My fault for not testing it further? Sure, I can handle that.
I'm not nor did I ever bag on Srinath either. He's been trying to help but I'm done with it.
3 weeks and it's been tank, tires, chain, headlight, idle.
You can believe what you like. I'm not here to badmouth or start a war.
I bought a bike that is not what it said it was and I have no faith in it.

[frankieG]

lets not 9/11 this guys post and have it thrown in the tard farm.  sometimes people just run out of patience with a bike and that is that.

i recommend parting it as the best method to get back your investment.

[Jay_wolf]

In due respect frankie no1 is swearing are saying nasty things , its just that a bike that doesnt run right , sells for less, and the chances of being able to sell the whole bike in pieces in a short amount of time , is pretty much unheard of , if he wants it done , then send the carbs to S S  , and polish, clean make it look amazing , ready for when they come back
and get a decent price for it , Thats all

[The Buddha]

You did start it a few times and ride it a - ok a little.
I belive coating will go through the filter if it is dissolving in the gas.
Now it would clog up the carbs when you park it not when you are running it (I believe - not sure).
That might account for the random occorance of the problem.
Hey when I didn't see stuff I pretty much tell you I never saw it, like that headlight bulb retaining clip.
I told you everything I knew. I can definetly tell you, tank was clean and nearly rust free and carbs were squeaky clean on the inside and fairly dirty outside.
I didn't say it came loose from the crap pockets cos I trucked it ... I am telling you, I trucked it several times before that and it didn't come loose, so it was not in the crap pockets.
Did you test the sediment you got out with a magnet If it was dirt it would not be mostly magnetic, rust is magnetic.
I also offered to coat it for you and go over the carbs. You need some special stuff to do a good coating job. Block off plates for the cap and petcock.
I dunno, I still cannot guess other than somehting in the gas ... and cars and new FI bikes will probably not even find it a problem. I dunno. I am not saying its very sensitive to octane or what not ... I am saying you ahve crap in the gas, like water, or diesel or general crap.
BTW what do floats look like now ?? that should be a clue. Tank should be good now ... so you cant be getting rust ...
Cool.
Srinath.

[Trwhouse]

Hi again,
So Mayoke, where exactly do you live?
I really think this is fixable and will be quite reliable once the problem is solved.
It is a GS500 after all.

Yours,
Todd

[The Buddha]

He is in Northern Atlanta.
I keep saying bad gas cos this happened to this vulcan I sold to one guy last year and 3 times of carb cleaning pretty much were futile. The gas in the tank was filthy. I cleaned carbs one last time and sloshed and sloshed and dumped the gas in the tank and it was at once perfect.
You need to go back and try and remember when your bike ran fine (after the coat will be a good start) and when it started running bad and see if you can trace it back to a specific location or type or brand of gas.
Cool.
Srinath.

[Mayoke]

Hi again,
So Mayoke, where exactly do you live?
I really think this is fixable and will be quite reliable once the problem is solved.
It is a GS500 after all.

Yours,
Todd

I'm in Norcross, Ga.
(About 10min North of Atlanta. A bit far for ya.) 

[Mayoke]

In due respect frankie no1 is swearing are saying nasty things , its just that a bike that doesnt run right , sells for less, and the chances of being able to sell the whole bike in pieces in a short amount of time , is pretty much unheard of , if he wants it done , then send the carbs to S S  , and polish, clean make it look amazing , ready for when they come back
and get a decent price for it , Thats all

Yeah, that's a good point. I may take it to a local shop and have them go through it and then sell it. I just didn't want to be any more upside down in it that I already am but I may have no choice.

[Mayoke]

Here's a bit more info to prove I'm not making crap up or losing my mind.



This is a pic of the plugs I pulled from the bike about a week after I had it. The thing smelled like a gas station running so I knew it was rich.



A better shot of one of the plugs. Now, I used to build and tune Turbo FWD cars. I know how to read a plug and this plug says, "I'm swimming in gasoline."




So, thinking maybe just the plugs were old possibly since the bike was "just tuned" I put new plugs in. This is one of the new plugs. It has about 250 miles on it. Hmmmmmmm.

[dgyver]

Srinath does jet rich.

[The Buddha]

What are you reading you dont read all the threads and the well in the plug. Firing tip is what you read.
That isn't too rich. The hook electrode is going a bit grey. Dark grey is not rich, you cannot count the well, hook and tip of the center is what count. I have seen plugs that are white on the hook, but black everywhere else.
This plug isn't that rich. It should not be a problem winter or summer.
Cool.
Srinath.

[The Buddha]

Srinath does jet rich.

That bike has stock + 1 AKA ... the same jetting they put in canada and europe and most of asia for that year and model. Read your manual.
40 pilots, 125 mains, 1 wahser under needle and 3 turns out - exactly what suzuki fitted in the thing in europe/canada. I jet everyone's bike the same way. Your complaint could be about the K&N lunch box jets I put, which is 150 which I have been told is too rich, however no one that runs it has said it. KevinC and you have been saying it based on the fact that you run 134's out a DJ kit in your bike. But ... DJ needles. Huge difference. Oh I have also done some conversions for people and I know of some others who did it themselves ... they take off the air box and put K&N on it. The only change is to swap the 125 for 150 and it runs well. Its not relevant here though, he's got airbox and filter.
Anyway, he's running europe and canada jetting. Nothing too seriously richer than stock.
And Diaz (average) rode it, and it ran a shade lean then as was evidenced by a hovering idle.
BTW mayoke - your choke is closing fully
Cool.
Srinath.

[Mayoke]

What are you reading you dont read all the threads and the well in the plug. Firing tip is what you read.
That isn't too rich. The hook electrode is going a bit grey. Dark grey is not rich, you cannot count the well, hook and tip of the center is what count. I have seen plugs that are white on the hook, but black everywhere else.
This plug isn't that rich. It should not be a problem winter or summer.
Cool.
Srinath.

I was reading the tip and it is completely black.
On the original ones I pulled out, I tapped them to have some gunk fall off so I could see the tip.
Maybe motorcycle plugs read differently than cars.
If that's the case, it's news to me. 

Taking out two brand new plugs with 200miles on them that look like that indicates a problem to me.
I've run cars a little rich as with some of the older turbos, you did that. (Especially quicker spooling VNTs)
I've NEVER had a plug come out looking like that after 2000 miles much less 200.
Then again, maybe motorcycles are different.

Anyway, I have a buyer today.
Should be sold this afternoon I hope.

Thanks again.

[The Buddha]

OK if you had to knock something off and then it looked like that that is bad. The hook electrode as it stands now is fine, but again if you had to remove a black layer, well that black layer is what you're reading really.
Good luck with the sale.
Sorry for all the trouble. But its US spec stock + 1 which is exactly what canada and european bikes are jetted to. Back to my choke closing question
Cool.
Srinath.

[The Buddha]

Well if it doesn't sell, could you send me your carbs along with the wheels - wont cost you extra (atleast not more than the wheels themselves, just pack it so wheels dont bash the carbs) ... I'll ship back at my cost.
Now whoever buys it, I'll extend this same deal to them ... if you want to let them know.
I dont have a spare carb set ... else I'd have sent ya ... I usually have had it, just the last few months I am without ... on the powdercoated 95 I am fitting 04 carbs. I am all out of 89-00 ones.
Cool.
Srinath.