Last foriegn bike

[spc]

Our country does build computers.  They're called Macs, and they're far superior to the 'other' offerings.

[Chuck]

I'm pretty sure those superior computers are built in Singapore.   

[scottpA_GS]

I will NEVER EVER buy any vehicle car, truck or bike made in america 

The last two foreign cars I've had (Honda and Subaru) were made in America.  So good luck.

Yea, I know that... I also know that a few Fords/Chevys are built in Mexico. My point should have been more clear that I dont like "American Brands" Mainly because of my great experiences w/ Hondas that I have owned vs GM's that I have owned... To narrow it down I will only buy Hondas or Toyotas 

[dgyver]

I will NEVER EVER buy any vehicle car, truck or bike made in america 

The last two foreign cars I've had (Honda and Subaru) were made in America.  So good luck.

Yea, I know that... I also know that a few Fords/Chevys are built in Mexico. My point should have been more clear that I dont like "American Brands" Mainly because of my great experiences w/ Hondas that I have owned vs GM's that I have owned... To narrow it down I will only buy Hondas or Toyotas 

We all base future purchases on past experiences. As long as each are content with their choice. The most reliable vehicle I have owned was a Dodge and then Mazda. The least was a Chevy with my current Toyota begging to be the worst. Others at the top of the crap pile are Ford and Honda. Both had complete transmission and motor failures. As for motorcycles...Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Honda all have been equal with good reliability to me.

[Xyloft]

Our country does build computers.  They're called Macs, and they're far superior to the 'other' offerings.

i was going to say "but they've switch to intel archetecture"  then i realised that Microsoft, Intel, and AMD are all american companies.  it makes sense:

american companies build chips in asia.  Asia builds cars in america?  see. even steven.   

[lossfound]

Our country does build computers.  They're called Macs, and they're far superior to the 'other' offerings.

My workplace just ponied up $2300 for a brand new Macbook Pro for me (which I didn't even want, but that's a whole other story). You open up the box for any Apple product and it says "Designed by Apple in California." However, the bottom of the Macbook Pro tells an entirely different story: "Made in China."

My Fujitsu Lifebook was half that, gets double the battery life, doesn't burn my legs *through* my jeans, and at least it was made in freakin' Japan.

But this is probably the wrong place for platform wars.

[Chuck]

But this is probably the wrong place for platform wars.

This thread was never useful, so it can't get worse.

[drowningbird808]

sorry but harleys and buells and victorys  are years behind with there perfomance compared to suzuki kawi hando and yamaha

[owenh]

true. but i think your forgetting that harley started the idea of the performance motorcycle. harleys were being raced years before the japanese even made a motorcycle.

[owenh]

and i dont care if buell may have thier problems, erik buell is brilliant and makes some of the most innovative and different motorcycles and that shouldnt go unnoticed.

[dgyver]

true. but i think your forgetting that harley started the idea of the performance motorcycle. harleys were being raced years before the japanese even made a motorcycle.

So how does starting an idea first or racing before make a bike better?  HD was hurt by others than the Japs...German & British both hurt HD.

How many years have they been using the same motor technology, 70+ years? Too bad they only started with an idea and never really improved it.

I got a good laugh when I heard a radio commercial promoting HD's new advancement....the 6 speed tranny!

Ironic that a tariff in the early 80's on importing Japanese motorcyles actually helped HD to stay alive.

[nightrider]

Sonny Barger, ex-president of the Hell's Angels himself, said if he could get away with it he'd ride a Kawasaki. He said the quality, design, performance, price, everything was better. But he couldn't cause he was the president of the Hells Angels... 

[simon79]

I got a good laugh when I heard a radio commercial promoting HD's new advancement....the 6 speed tranny!

roflmao

[owenh]

they ahvnt changed the motor technology becuase that is what has been working for over a hundred years. these bikes arnt all about performance like many japanese bikes and i think youll find that they can still outperform many. and when you talk about not advancing themselves at all, you are forgetting about the v-rod.

[dgyver]

Pushod technology is very old. Yeah does work but there are much better designs. Too bad HD has always resitance to change. ooo the V-rod...their only new design. Which came with mixed feelings since it was newer technology. They have not developed any new technology.

Outperform how? Last time I saw a HD in a super bike race it failed within 3 laps. The only racing they seem to be competive in is flat track.

[owenh]

your not thinking. these are two different motorcylce doing two very different things. your trying to compare the performance of a ferrari to a 1 ton pickup. both are excellent at very different things. and some people like one more than the other. the 1 ton could pull the ferrari backwards up the side of a house, but the ferrari would smoke it racing. it all depends on what individual riders favor towards.

[owenh]

i also have one more question, if the harley is so outdated and such crap as you seem to describe it, why does every single japanese comany make a mimick of it. its because thats what sells, and thats what the majority of people want. something comfortable, loud, stylish.

[drowningbird808]

im not bias towards anything but the american motor companies are behind the europeans and japanease, ppl own harleys just to say "yeh dude i have a harley" kinda like owning a big truck. i would love to see HD get 160h outa 1000cc bike

[dgyver]

your not thinking. these are two different motorcylce doing two very different things. your trying to compare the performance of a ferrari to a 1 ton pickup. both are excellent at very different things. and some people like one more than the other. the 1 ton could pull the ferrari backwards up the side of a house, but the ferrari would smoke it racing. it all depends on what individual riders favor towards.

You are the one who brought up that they had been racing first. I just stated that they are not competive with the imports.

[dgyver]

i also have one more question, if the harley is so outdated and such crap as you seem to describe it, why does every single japanese comany make a mimick of it. its because thats what sells, and thats what the majority of people want. something comfortable, loud, stylish.

Get your facts straight. I never said they are crap but using outdated technology.

Show me what every Jap company mimicks.

HD has become a status symbol. Plenty of owners only buy them because of a name and image.