A Friend in Danger

[Jay_wolf]

So Scott , when u mention ur dealership has sold a GSXR and its come back 2 days later smashed in half, That person was ready for it ? no

What would someones first car be , a old Station wagon , or a Dodge Viper..

She has no experiance with a huge bike , and i dont really want to know that she is dead to back up my theory of One step at a time

[bombadillo]

aw come on scottPAgs, it snot just giving his advice, its reality.  There are some things that people shouldn't have to make a mistake to realize what has happened.  Would you hand a loaded gun to a 10 year old and say don't play with it, no.  You also shouldn't give somebody a bike that they will MORE THAN LIKELY crash on.  A gs ninja 500 gsx650f, fz6, maybe even an r6 but my god a gixxer 1000???   Thats just crazy for somebody who likes to trail brake and do things on dirt.  Can you imagine the first time they try dirt manuevers on the street, its gonna go down hard.  I don't think he's pushing his views or values on them as much as expressing concern for a friend who's probably gonna get hurt on the thing.

[scottpA_GS]

Exactly Jay.. they werent ready for that bike and should have never bought it... But its not my place to tell him otherwise... Nothing wrong with sugesting you get something else, but to just flat out say its gonna kill you is wrong. Does anyone mind their own business anymore? Im not saying giving your input is wrong but dont tell someone else what to buy.

I 100% think that its just "american" to be like that. You are doing it all wrong.. Let me show you how it should be done.... Yea.. just not cool IMHO

[spc]

Amen, brother peachfuzz.  I'll suggest something different once if someone tells me they're getting the latest CBR/GSXR whatever and past that, it's their f%$king life.

On topic, there's a 19 year old here that rides an MV F4 serie oro as his first bike and has made it 2 years without a problem

[Jay_wolf]

She didnt ask for the bike or pick it , so that even takes out the * i think im ready * part of it , being she hasnt say on it , mite not feel comfy , mite not be able to flat foot,

And Terry, One Kid has a bike, who mite have some experancew before that , probabably test drove etc,

The Hockey player thought he could ride , and lasted 2 days , is thats not a good cause behind it i dont no what is

[scottpA_GS]

Hockey guy lasted 2 weeks not 2 days  anyway....

I hope you all know I love to debate! I suck at it but I love it! I take nothing to heart  So know we can battle and I hold no grudges 

[Jay_wolf]

Still another Death .. After looking at ride or Die , it made me realllly think , that the days its hot and i go out in a T shirt could be terrable , i could loose my tattoo etc

[scottpA_GS]

Still another Death .. After looking at ride or Die , it made me realllly think , that the days its hot and i go out in a T shirt could be terrable , i could loose my tattoo etc

I have been thinking that every day this week its been 90F+ and damn my black armored jacket is HOT! but I ride w/ it every time.  And I "rccomend" others do the same  But I wont tell you that youll die if you dont   

[Jay_wolf]

Well i suppose my 8 years of bike riding experiance , has nothing to do with the fact im safe on the road ,

the fact ive never jumped the gun and learned Bit by bit 50cc, 70cc , 125 cc , 500cc

not .. 250cc, to 1000 because im a Big man

[spc]

I ride leather all the time now too.  It's 96 here and I'm about to put it on and go for a ride.

You call a test ride on an MV serie oro experience??  Not hardly, you don't get the full feel for a bike like that until you've pulled out of a sweeper at 130+ and the wheel yanks up while your still leaned over.  It's all about common sense, she has it or she doesn't.  Who said anything about proving manliness??  If you took it a step at a time, great for you.  Stay the f%$k out of other peoples lives unless they invite you into it.

[lewismug]

The way I see it, you have a RIGHT to be concerned for her safety.  Her dad may not know a damn thing about bikes, and therefore just bought one that the salesman talked him into buying.  It's not him pushing his ideals onto someone else or butting into their business, it's caring for a friend.  She may not even know how powerful that bike is.  I would rather make a friend mad by making a suggestion than not say a word and her get hurt.  True friends are supposed to speak up.  True friends are supposed to piss you off if you're about to do something stupid.  I say go to her house, sit her dad down in front of a computer, and show him this thread.  Maybe it'll open his eyes.  At least you will know you tried.  If he gets pissed, then there's nothing else you can do, but it may change his mind and possibly save a friend and family a lot of heartache.  No one is saying she'll definitely get hurt.  We're just saying that there's a lot higher risk with the GSXR.  No matter what you say, the GS is MUCH more forgiving of mistakes than the GSXR would be.  You can't deny that.  Can't make you do it man, but personally......I think you would be an idiot and a coward to NOT say something.  Sure, there are plenty who have started out on a 1000cc bike, but how many are still around?   

[spc]

NO. NO. AND f%$king NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Working with/for the DOD, you especially should know a lot about personal responsibility.  To relate, I instructed a class for my company once on proper maintenance procedures on an M2.  One dickhead private decided he didn't want to listen and was going to be a hotshot.  He didn't secure the bolt as he was attempting to separate the receivers and lost most of his pointer finger.  That's his f%$king fault, the information was not only out there, but being supplied. He just didn't want to listen.  If someone buys a bike from an uneducated POV, that's their problem, let it be.  If someone's parents buy them a bike without researching it first, they are shitty parents and the burden of whatever may  come will hang upon their heads.   

OP: mention, once that a 1000cc superbike may not be the best starter street-bike.  If they don't want to listen, fine.  If they do listen, work from there.  Just don't push the decision.
Personal Responsibility, people.........I mean seriously.

[lewismug]

I do know about personal responsibility Terry, but cm'on man!  What if the salesman didn't know it was for the guys daughter?  What if he thought it was for the father?  What if the father doesn't know anything at all about motorcycles?  Hell, he probably wanted to get her the prettiest bike on the floor.  One he thought she would like.  Maybe he thought they all were about the same except for looks.

One question.  Lets say you have a daughter that just graduated from hs.  Lets say you didn't know anything at all about motorcycles and you went to a dealer and the salesguy says, "Sure, this is a great motorcycle.  It's really reliable, and has all of the really advanced safety features.  And, I can get you a great deal on the thing!"  You buy the thing for YOUR daughter, not knowing how dangerous it is because the salesguy didn't warn you for fear of not selling the bike.  If your daughter knows someone who does know about bikes, wouldn't you want him to speak up and at least make sure you know what you're doing? 

I'm all for personal responsibility, but I like to make absolutely sure someone knows what they're getting into beforehand.  The guy at the dealer just wanted to make a sale, I'm sure.  Certainly you can't disagree with that reasoning!  The burden will not only fall on her parents, but on Narcissus as well.  Imagine how guilty he would feel if he didn't say a word and something did happen.  I wouldn't be able to live with myself.  Knowing that just a short conversation may have changed the course of events would be unbearable to me.  Lets say, no-one makes sure they know what they have.  She's cruising down the road and accidentally twists the throttle a little too much, not knowing how quickly it gets up to speed and blows a red light t-boning your car @ 80mph....90mph....160mph.  Your silence has come back to bite you in the ass and now it has affected someone other than her and her family.

As far as the hotshot private, I've had those before as well.  If I even had an inkling that he wasn't paying attention, then I would have put my foot in his ass until he was a SME BEFORE he lost the tip of his finger.  It was your responsibility to train him to standard....Not allow him to do something stupid.  When we were mobing for iraq in '04, there were several dumbass privates that didn't want to listen.  To hell with allowing them to be FUBAR and not know their stuff.  My LIFE depended on them knowing what to do, what to say, where to go, what not to do, etc...  I'm not knocking your skills at all, it's just the way it was done in my unit.  I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.  Nothing at all wrong with that.  I still love ya man!   

[scottpA_GS]

 I think that was Terrys point.. Its the fathers responsibility TO KNOW... if he has no idea about bikes, he should not be making any desicions on what his daughter rides w/o some serious research.

And.. say he reccomends the GS as her bike.. dad buys that instead... Girl dies on GS the next day? How ya feel now?

[lewismug]

I'm not saying she needs a GS.  I'm not saying she not get the gixxer.  I'm saying make sure he knows how powerful and unforgiving it is, then it's on him no matter what happens.  Obviously he's concerned for her safety, or he wouldn't be asking for advice.  That tells me that he doesn't think she can handle the bike.  Either way, there will be risk.  All you can do is minimize the risk to her and others.  Wonder how she'll do on her license test on that bike??

[Jon The Buddha]

All this "Its THEIR daughter" crap is ridiculus. 

Hmm... I highly dissagree.. This seems to be the "American way"  Push your ideals on everyone else because "we" are always right "they" are always wrong 

They may not be making a good desicion but its THEIR decision to make. Guiding them and giving them "your" advise is not a good idea... What makes you the expert?

I recall a debate here not that long ago about people correcting or yelling at another persons children... Seemd to be the general concensus was... you just dont do that. I would think that this is the same scenario. Here in our dealership if an 18yo kid comes in to buy a Busa he gets the busa. not the 5th degree from us. Its not our responsibillity to tell people what bike they "should buy" sounds wrong to you all im sure but its not. People live their own lives, not what lives you think they should live. Do you tell them they have to go to church with you on sunday? or eat no meat? or stop smoking? no.. its not your place, not your business.

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I'm not sure how me suggesting a way to help keep a friend from potentially hurting themselves leads you to believe I 'push my ideals on everyone else'.  I only push my ideals on my friends! 

I'm also not sure how you can assume dealing with a customer equates to dealing with a friend.  I don't expect a salesperson to try and keep a potentially inexperienced rider off of a busa...I expect his friends and family to do that. 

 

   

[Jon The Buddha]

Ok, this reply is just me being a worthless postwhore to get my 100th post!   

[lewismug]

     

[frankieG]

to be blunt...it is non of your business.  did they just pull a gixxer out of the sky or has she mentioned this before.  i course i think it is a mistake but it is up to her and her parents.

[jserio]

wow. where to start. okay, i can see everyone's point in this. my vote is to say something. you know, today in this world everyone seems to be of the attitude, it's all about me and f%$k everyone else. i don't need help or guidence i can do it my damn self. the kicker is when said person with such attitude is hurt, maimed or killed because of their lack of humility to accept good intentioned advice. and then want to turn around and sue someone because of their own stupidity. f%$king dumb. stupid lawsuits piss me off. if you're really friends with this person, speak up. i believe in personal responsibilty but i also EXPECT my best friends to shake some sense into me when i'm being a bonehead.  just my two cents.