went to the suzuki dealer today

[John0]

Did he shoot me a bunch of crap?

"I'm looking for a repair manual for a 2005 GS" 
-"I can order you one for about $80" 
"That's too much, what about Haynes for about $30?" 
-"Haynes is a terrible manual.  It's very vague.  You would much better off ordering the one from the manufacturer."

"What is rejetting?"
-"Do you stock pipes?"
"Yes."
-"Then rejetting will get you nothing unless you upgrade the entire exhaust system too."
"What about a slip-on?"
-"They don't make them for GS, only Vance and Hines complete system."
"How much?"
-"About $325 for the pipes and $80 for the jet kit plus about 3 hours labor.  It'll add about 10 hp to the bike."

Manual:  i saw the one on this site but it only goes through 2002.  Is $30 about right for one that goes through 2006?
Rejetting:  Do those prices sound right?  I want to do the labor myself.

Everything on the bike is stock. 

What do you guys think?

[Jay_wolf]

The mighty Buddha will Rejet ur carbs for 45 bucks ,  u dont want to use a dynokit , and u dont want to pay 3 hours labour , because if it runs bad, then they dont care

u can buy a manual thro this site ,and it helps Gstwin Out 

[wreckhog]

Those prices sound reasonable for a dealer. It is just like anything else, convenience costs more. I could buy milk at the deli downstairs or drive to Walmart and save half.

[John0]

Manual:  i saw the one on this site but it only goes through 2002.

My bike is a 2005.  I'd prefer a book that covered 2005.

Carbs: I want minimal down time.

[ben2go]

http://cgi.stanford.edu/~sanjayd/gs500/Upgrades/Rejetting

http://gstwin.com/rejet.htm

http://cgi.stanford.edu/~sanjayd/gs500/Upgrades/Exhaust

http://cgi.stanford.edu/~sanjayd/gs500/Upgrades/AirFilter

The Vance & Hines exhaust has to be dropped in order to change the oil filter.Unless they have changed their design.Do yourself a favor and get a K&N lunch box air filter and at least a quality slip on from another bike.Then rejet at the same time you do the exhaust and air filter upgrade.This way everything is done once and the bike is only down a weekend at most.This is very easy for a first timer.It's not as complicated as some may think.It can be done in a few hours.I have a D&D slip on from a GSXR, I think,K&N lunch box,and rejetted to 40/142.5/1 washer and 2.5 turns.

[dchrist]

you don't have to take the V&H pipes off for the oil filter change, you just get oil all over them and it smokes like hell when you start it back up.

I think people use all kinds of things for after market exhaust from full kits to slip ons... but the price quote sounded about right for a full kit. what you use will determine how you have to jet the carbs. you're not limited to a staged dyno kit. I have no experience with them myself but most of what I've read on this forum and others is anti. I just fine tuned the carb trying different numbered jets (with the help and guidance of the members of this forum) until I got the numbers that made the bike purr. I recommend that approach. pick the exhaust and air filter you want then rejet the carbs to match. its not that hard to do yourself if you can use a wrench and a screwdriver and have some patience and a clymer or haynes manual (I'm sure they make them for the 05). you'll have minimal bike downtime (unless you ef something up, which is also true of the dealership by the way) and you save some $$. plus you get to know your bike better. if you bond with it, its less likely to want to toss you. I think.

d

[ohgood]

Did he shoot me a bunch of crap?

"I'm looking for a repair manual for a 2005 GS" 
-"I can order you one for about $80" 
"That's too much, what about Haynes for about $30?" 
-"Haynes is a terrible manual.  It's very vague.  You would much better off ordering the one from the manufacturer."

you can get manuals in pdf format online. i like that, and my clymer tree killer for study. yes, $80 is too much.

"What is rejetting?"
-"Do you stock pipes?"
"Yes."
-"Then rejetting will get you nothing unless you upgrade the entire exhaust system too."

he's wrong. you can richen your bikes' mixture and it will start easier, warm up faster, and with a few tweaks respond better. notice i didn't say anything about MORE POWER. it just ain't there without spending a ton of money and time.

"What about a slip-on?"
-"They don't make them for GS, only Vance and Hines complete system."
"How much?"
-"About $325 for the pipes and $80 for the jet kit plus about 3 hours labor.  It'll add about 10 hp to the bike."

gstwins, ebay, craigslist. they've been making the gs a loooooong time

Manual:  i saw the one on this site but it only goes through 2002.  Is $30 about right for one that goes through 2006?
Rejetting:  Do those prices sound right?  I want to do the labor myself.


there aren't many changes to the gs from 89-current. smog stuff for cali models, 3 circuit carbs instead of 2, some plastic, and an oil cooler.

Everything on the bike is stock. 

What do you guys think?

rejet if you want to piddle with the power delivery and warm up time.

manual, yes, definitely. when it's raining or you just wonder about your bike, it's a nice friend to have. with a beer. or three.

just my 2 cents

[wreckhog]

A Vance and Hines just went for 213 shipped on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110256836713

Is it worth 112 more to have a new item with some sort of option to follow up if it doesn't work right/fit right? Is to me ifthe bike is in mint shape, not so much if it is not.

[Eric_in_OR]

You can buy a Haynes manual (Suzuki GS500 Twin Repair Manual 1989-2006) that covers your 2005 GS for about $30. I got mine from: themotorbookstore.com
It's FAR from vague. It is extremely detailed, with lots of photos. It's amazing that a single manual can cover nearly 20 years of models, a testament to the fact that we're truly riding dinosaurs!

[GeeP]

we're truly riding dinosaurs!

I predict your bike won't start tomorrow and pisses oil all over your feet.   



John, it sounds like you dealer was being up front. 

Prafeston had a download of the Suzuki manual stashed somewhere online in a PDF.  You might IM him about it.  I'm not sure what years it covered though.

I've always taken off the front header on my V&H system to remove the oil filter.  It isn't difficult and adds maybe 5 minutes to the process.  It is a well-designed product.  But loud.  VERY LOUD!

[cd]

actually he was pretty close for a dealer. you also didnt say if they are a redneck cruiser place or have lots of sportbikes. places biased towards cruisers are retarded. sportbike people at least understand the concept of not paying RETAIL bs stealership prices. o really, can i pay you 80$ an hour, at 3 times the time iot ACTUALLY takes, to do some shaZam! i can LITERALLY do with my eyes closed....wow thanks, try to sell me something else, im really going to buy it. wankers

anyhow, what he said is still essentially on, from his perspective. someone in a dealership isnt going to care about making a bike run perfectly. im the same way, ive been through so many bikes, i just dont care. i wouldnt ever bother to do a rejet unless i was putting a full exhaust on. buying a REAL shop manual is always better than clymers. ha. and having it in hand is always better than pdf, but free is awesome too. no one DOES make a slipon, but you can slip plenty of other shaZam! on there. people at dealerships want shaZam! that goes to together in a snap so they can make a 1000% profit on you. literally. they dont want their techs f%$king with this and that, their techs do that enough on thier own shaZam!, so hes not going to do anything for a newb he doesnt know, even though he knows perfectly well in a few minutes he could slap some pipe on there and have it rolling in no time. if he did some shaZam! like that, hed get a rep that he does stuff that is trick or custom for cheap, and would get flooded with retards who dont know the first thing about thier bikes telling him to make magical shaZam! happen. people are people, doing private service work has once again re-educated me with the knowledge that NO group of people is free from the stupid people that are allowed to rampantly reproduce and get by in this world, i swear i dont know how these people dont die crossing the street, let alone riding. some do, but damn, people is dumb like woah

i was just trying to give you perspective on his statements, they really are understandable and not completely out of whack. that being said id cut my balls off before i ever gave a stealership money to do anything except go out of business. f those places man.

[georgel]

yoshimura has a slip on but you have to cut the stock pipe. the stainless slip on runs 379.00 its suppose to be better than the vance and hunes as far as performance. look up there r&d website. The dealer will charge the same at least that is the case with the dealer i checked with and with a dealer their is no shipping cost.