Regarding obama

[mach1]

im not a registered voter so have no real say in anything but IMHO all the cands are idiots and the vote should be thrown out and we need new cands.

[patrickpruett]

Yeah, we screwed ourselves on this one. One side we got a man that uses "Hope" and "Change," when he has 0 experience in how to do so. Reminds me of class presidents in high school who said the same things, but once elected they realized just like everyone else that none of those things are possible to do or possible to do while maintaining their careers (not that he actualy knows how he is planning on changing anything. Frik, he said he would get together the Chief Joints of Staff and tell them to "End the war," like its a button and since those people can't do anything anyways, it makes none sense.)
On the other hand we have another Democrat that was afraid to run against Obama and Hilary so he jumped ship for the Republicans. He is the essence of a politician:double-minded, back-talking, and flip-flopping.

IMHO, I'm gonna go with McCain. He may be REALLY OLD and boarderline insane, but I don't think he will do too much to screw things up before we can get someone in their who has a clue. This as opposed to Obama who may just jack up our country so bad cause he has no idea what he is doing that we may never be able to come back. BUT I could be wrong. Its a cluster F either way. I also prefer a military man.

Oh, and btw, I am so tired of hearing about the whole Iraq war thing with Bush, Obama, and McCain. When the towers fell, every single one of you (except you pinko commi bastards) wanted revenge. The only person who held their resolve long enough to do it was Bush. Just long enough for the rest of us to figure out revenge meant people would die for it. The men and woman of our brilliant and wonderful miliatry (no joking. I truly believe they are the best this world has and ever will see) are behind it. My brother in law ran three tours and wants to go back. I respect him more than any other human I know next to WW2/Nam vets. If he says its worth it...DAMIT! Its worth it.

[trumpetguy]

Oh, and btw, I am so tired of hearing about the whole Iraq war thing with Bush, Obama, and McCain. When the towers fell, every single one of you (except you pinko commi bastards) wanted revenge. The only person who held their resolve long enough to do it was Bush. Just long enough for the rest of us to figure out revenge meant people would die for it. The men and woman of our brilliant and wonderful miliatry (no joking. I truly believe they are the best this world has and ever will see) are behind it. My brother in law ran three tours and wants to go back. I respect him more than any other human I know next to WW2/Nam vets. If he says its worth it...DAMIT! Its worth it.

I'm no pinko commie bastard and I have a stepson who is a decorated marine (two tours in Iraq).  I opposed the war from the beginning and didn't believe the lies.  I was right.

I'm tired of people mistakenly trying to link Iraq to 9/11.  Even Bush, who has lied so often that he has forgotten what the truth is, denies a link to 9/11.  Nothing in Iraq was worth the loss of ONE American soldier, much less over 4,000 dead and 25K maimed for life.  If you think it was such a great idea, why aren't YOU over there?

Iraq had and has NOTHING to do with 9/11.  It has, however, been very profitable for certain well-connected international corporations, who have done sorry work with no oversight for premium pay.  Mission Accomplished.

Anyone who votes for McCain votes for a third term of Bush.  Enough said.

[trumpetguy]

im not a registered voter so have no real say in anything but IMHO all the cands are idiots and the vote should be thrown out and we need new cands.

That's rich.  Like it takes SO long to fill out a registration.   If you don't vote, how can you even complain about the candidates (who were chosen during primaries)?

IMHO, everyone has a moral obligation to participate in the democracy.  I haven't missed an election since 1976 (first one after I turned 18!).

[mach1]

the way I look at it the men and women over seas are keeping us safe. The Iraq people are pissed we are over their, yes? well maybe not all but some, do they have terrorists yeah. if we up and leave whats keeping them from trying to screw up our home after we did theirs. thats just me send them home and we may get a few surprises to follow. from what I recall we are over their to help them become a voting place and not dictatorship. am I right or wrong. the only people who comp[lain about the war are hippie bastard, or pansies. why am I not over their? cause I was denied acceptance due to health issues if not I would fighting to keep your ass safe.

I didnt register cause I dont care I have my president and no man controls this country or world. So as long as I do my job thats all that matters. you can vote all you want but it makes no difference on who THEY choose to be president your vote doesnt mean shaZam! its all about who will look the best.

[spc]

TG, first things first, would you do me a small personal favor and be sure to capitalize Marine, Soldier, Airman, and Seaman.
Next, I don't support what is going on currently in Iraq, but I don't see Obama's ideas as a viable option.  His timetables are ridiculously short-sighted.  There is after-effect to worry about.  I honestly think it would be better to carry on our course for another 4 years and hope for a revolutionary candidate next go around.  War has been around since the dawn of sociable man and will be until dusk casts it's withering shadows on what we call humanity.  It is a facet of the human nature that will not be changed.  Until then, I'm getting ready for round II.

[yamahonkawazuki]

Hey TG, what about teh i belive it was called yellow cake? basically low grade nuclear waste? would that qualify as a wmd, if put into a container, and exploded? it was removed from Iraq, and sent to canada for something , i bring this up cause many say NO wmd's were ever found, i spose i could blame Clinton for 9/11 because wasnt he offered Bin Laden by sudan, and he turned it down?. but then again, we could have had a 9/11 without binladen, but then again maybe not

[trumpetguy]

Hey TG, what about teh i belive it was called yellow cake? basically low grade nuclear waste? would that qualify as a wmd, if put into a container, and exploded? it was removed from Iraq, and sent to canada for something , i bring this up cause many say NO wmd's were ever found, i spose i could blame Clinton for 9/11 because wasnt he offered Bin Laden by sudan, and he turned it down?. but then again, we could have had a 9/11 without binladen, but then again maybe not

The yellowcake that was sent to Canada earlier this summer was sealed before the current invasion/occupation.  We knew exactly where it was, and its location and condition had been verified by the UN team that was in Iraq (and which had told us there were no WMDs).  Interesting that we now found it necessary to remove it.

Certainly the yellowcake could have been used in a dirty bomb if it had fallen into the wrong hands.  However, Saddam's iron fist had effectively kept terrorists OUT of Iraq.  There was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq until we de-stabilized it.  There were no daily bombings either.  It's interesting that in order to prevent violence in Iraq we have turned (via the much-touted surge) to more of a police state in Iraq -- the very kind of government we overturned.

I think it's funny to call out Clinton for not taking out Bin Laden.  Was he supposed to see into the future and take him out before 9/11?  OTOH, Bush had the opportunity at Tora Bora (AFTER 9/11), but we really needed to invade Iraq for some reason.  Now he's Osama Bin Forgotten.

Terry, of course I will capitalize Marine, etc.  It was a fast-typing oversight on my part.  In the second paragraph, I was using "soldier" generically, not to mean a member of the U.S. Army, so non-capitalized is correct there. 

As much as I hate Bush and the other neocon chickenhawks who got us into this mess, I have nothing but respect for the people who are putting their lives on the line every day on his orders.  THEY are the real heroes. 

"Generation Kill" on HBO is about my stepson's unit.  He is Jason Lilley, his real name is in the cast list in the credits, and he even took the picture of Evan Wright that appeared on the jacket of the original book.  He was allowed to audition for his part, but he didn't get it.  Only one guy in the unit was allowed to play himself.  After a year out, Jason is now back in the USMC, training for an even more elite unit (he was in recon).  He will probably be deployed again in less than a year.

I am leaving tomorrow morning for Colorado so I won't be able to discuss for a few days. Unfortunately, not on the GS.  My in-laws rented a cabin to celebrate their 60th wedding anniversary, and we're joining them for the remainder of the week.  It should be cooler than Oklahoma -- hell is probably cooler than Oklahoma right now!

[yamahonkawazuki]

Hey TG, what about teh i belive it was called yellow cake? basically low grade nuclear waste? would that qualify as a wmd, if put into a container, and exploded? it was removed from Iraq, and sent to canada for something , i bring this up cause many say NO wmd's were ever found, i spose i could blame Clinton for 9/11 because wasnt he offered Bin Laden by sudan, and he turned it down?. but then again, we could have had a 9/11 without binladen, but then again maybe not

The yellowcake that was sent to Canada earlier this summer was sealed before the current invasion/occupation.  We knew exactly where it was, and its location and condition had been verified by the UN team that was in Iraq (and which had told us there were no WMDs).  Interesting that we now found it necessary to remove it.

Certainly the yellowcake could have been used in a dirty bomb if it had fallen into the wrong hands.  However, Saddam's iron fist had effectively kept terrorists OUT of Iraq.  There was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq until we de-stabilized it.  There were no daily bombings either.  It's interesting that in order to prevent violence in Iraq we have turned (via the much-touted surge) to more of a police state in Iraq -- the very kind of government we overturned.

I think it's funny to call out Clinton for not taking out Bin Laden.  Was he supposed to see into the future and take him out before 9/11?  OTOH, Bush had the opportunity at Tora Bora (AFTER 9/11), but we really needed to invade Iraq for some reason.  Now he's Osama Bin Forgotten.

Terry, of course I will capitalize Marine, etc.  It was a fast-typing oversight on my part.  In the second paragraph, I was using "soldier" generically, not to mean a member of the U.S. Army, so non-capitalized is correct there. 

As much as I hate Bush and the other neocon chickenhawks who got us into this mess, I have nothing but respect for the people who are putting their lives on the line every day on his orders.  THEY are the real heroes. 

"Generation Kill" on HBO is about my stepson's unit.  He is Jason Lilley, his real name is in the cast list in the credits, and he even took the picture of Evan Wright that appeared on the jacket of the original book.  He was allowed to audition for his part, but he didn't get it.  Only one guy in the unit was allowed to play himself.  After a year out, Jason is now back in the USMC, training for an even more elite unit (he was in recon).  He will probably be deployed again in less than a year.

I am leaving tomorrow morning for Colorado so I won't be able to discuss for a few days. Unfortunately, not on the GS.  My in-laws rented a cabin to celebrate their 60th wedding anniversary, and we're joining them for the remainder of the week.  It should be cooler than Oklahoma -- hell is probably cooler than Oklahoma right now!

fair enough, got a link to the yellowcake info? you seem to know all about it. so im assuming you got teh info fropmm a reputable source?, and clinto had the reason to get osama, remember the cole, khobar, llets see, what about all of teh otehr things attributed to him during clintons stay in teh whitehouse?, so he had a reason to have him,, its not like osama was innocent or had done nothging during that tiemframe.

[yamahonkawazuki]

in closing, some liberals see NO FAULT in Obama, and some conservatives see no fault in Mccain. me  OTOH find fault in both no matter who wins, this will be a close election. and will still be going on after january, with countless recounts, accusations of fraud, etc from the loser. whomever the loser may be. and one final thing. why is it, Obama wants michigan and florida counted, when the DNC stripped them of tehir delegates.and didnt he agree to this, BUT now he wants it?

[nightrider]

Obama is ten times more charismatic than McCain.

There is another story about McCain on a base visit which I won't go into here.

I have a hell of a lot more faith in Obama and I think 4 years of McCain plus the last 8 years of Bush would continue a downward and disastrous trend for this country... especially foreign policy, education, spending, environment, and... o yea... everything...

cool

[yamahonkawazuki]

What qualifies Obama for teh job? what has he done? what has he accomplised? what has he done in an executive role?, him and Mccain are vying for the hardest job in the world. a job i would NOT want, ill give em both props for that

[pkhoff]

Charismatic?  That's a great criteria for determining a President's qualifications.  They say Ted Bundy was very charismatic, Charlie Manson too.

[frankieG]

to no ones surprise i support and will vote for obama.  nothing against mccain other than he is a bush lover and prolly is going to die of skin cancer.  the guy is just too old for the office.  before anyone goes off on me, i am a cancer survivor(so far) and did 20 years + in the military and retired as a lieutenant commander so i have done more than my share.  we need a change from the current administration. our debt is crazy and all that money is going to private contractors, bush cronies, to fund the war in iraq.  iraq is bullshit...illegal, is not saving us from anything and as terry mentioned had nothing to do with 9/11.  Iraq is all about neo con doctrine to overthrow a hostile oil rich country and make it American friendly.  well that worked out well so far.  as for Afghanistan, where i served twice and was wounded, it is pretty much a quagmire now and we are just repeating the mistakes of the soviets.  Pakistan is the new laos/cambodia hiding bin laden and serving as a safe haven for terrorists.   i was one of the first into Afghanistan and i do mean the first...there was us and cia and that was it.   so i know what i am talking about.  obama, if elected, is going to inherit one hell of a mess.  mccain, if elected, is going to keep us diggin deeper and deeper in the mess and debt.

[yamahonkawazuki]

Thats your opinion, and ill respect it  , Iraq was voted into being by most in congress, including clinton, and Obama when did he get into congress?, can anyone tell me that, anyhoo Take care

[b_long_1]

"However, Saddam's iron fist had effectively kept terrorists OUT of Iraq.  There was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq until we de-stabilized it.  "
Are you nuts?

[lewismug]

Alright, back on topic.....  Obama has flip-flopped on EVERY major stance he has taken since the beginning of the election.  "Yes we can."  EXCEPT.....We can't drill, no to coal, no new nuclear....the list goes on and on.  And for anyone who wants to say that Bush has had eight years to do something about the energy crisis:  The Dems have been in control of Congress, and have not allowed any Republican bills dealing with energy to pass.  Hell, Nancy Pelosi or however in the f%$k you spell her name won't even allow a vote on anything that even remotely relates to energy!  WTF is this?  A f%$king communist regime?  They're not allowing votes to protect Obama.  If they allow a vote, and he votes against something that would help the country, it would make news.  And the Dems can't have any kind of negativity about Obama.  f%$k the country.  They don't give a shaZam! that we are paying almost $5.00 a gallon in some places.  The dems will see the severity of their non-action when November comes I think.  I just don't see how anyone in their right mind could vote for Obama.  The only reason I can think of that someone would vote for him is because he is black, and I've already stated my dislike for that lack of an excuse.  Sorry to any of you who are voting for him, but the way I was raised, and the morals I have, I would never vote for him.  Oh, and why in the hell do you think he canceled the trip to visit the wounded troops.  The way I see it, he simply wanted to visit them as a photo-op.  Once he realized he wouldn't be allowed any cameras or his campaign staff to guide him on the best way to talk to a wounded Soldier, he said f%$k it.  He doesn't care about the Soldiers.  If he truly cared, he would've said "Well, I really want to go and see them, so you guys wait out here for a little while while I go do what's right."  How anyone could vote for a man to be in charge of the country and the military that doesn't even care to see the wounded soldiers who are protecting his crazy ass since it won't benefit him any is beyond me.  Hell, he's so stupid that he doesn't realize that if he would've gone ahead and visited with them, it would have probably helped him tremendously even though cameras wouldn't have been there.  Word gets around.  The tide is turning.

[yamahonkawazuki]

"However, Saddam's iron fist had effectively kept terrorists OUT of Iraq.  There was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq until we de-stabilized it.  "
Are you nuts?

well, how do we know there was no al-quaeda in iraq, before us? yeah saddam had a VERY tight cork on it. teh coalition was teh corkscrew which removed it. and yeah everyting came out. whos to say it wasnt lurking under the shadows there?, no one knows. with certainty . sure they know with opinion, but not certainty

[mach1]

I have said it once and ill say it again put osama------I mean obama in the white house I dont see him living out his first term. his life will be threatened for being what he is and what he does.so thats fine he wont last long enough to screw this place to shaZam!.

[yamahonkawazuki]

Secret service visit in 5.... 4.... 3.....2....