Who are you voting for, for President?

[quiktaco]

Yeah, over the past few presidents, it seems to have gotten worse.  England seems to have things a lot better.  We have had many great presidents, and a bunch of horrible ones shuffled throughout, but ALL have had FULL allegiance to America in the past, until Obama.  There is no reason that he should not stand with his hand over his heart during THE NATIONAL ANTHEM.  (Although his supposedly 'Christian' church tells him not to).  If you put up a Marxist flag, he would probably raise his hand to his heart.

[Kasumi]

I dont think England is better just different, at least our prime ministers (we believe) are honorouable to this country even if their actions can be otherwise. However all our government is about is getting elected and making the most money (by not spending money) possible on the way. Our government should be a powerful one, we used to have one of the largest empires known, yet now its in tatters and we spend every day sucking the tite of the EU and kissing your presidants arse.

[yamahonkawazuki]

TBH i think all govt's are kissing the otehrs arse, to see who can make whoms bed teh softest, the british empire used to be the DOMINANT force to be reckoned with, now although still strong, ( with a kick ass military btw) its a small part of its former self, i think all politicians nowadays are looking out for tehmselves. NOT whom they were elected to serve ( THE PEOPLE)

[Kasumi]

TBH i think all govt's are kissing the otehrs arse, to see who can make whoms bed teh softest, the british empire used to be the DOMINANT force to be reckoned with, now although still strong, ( with a kick ass military btw) its a small part of its former self, i think all politicians nowadays are looking out for tehmselves. NOT whom they were elected to serve ( THE PEOPLE)

Well said 

[yamahonkawazuki]

hell they owned most of the civilised world, more so than the romans btw, but damn that had to be a logistical nightmare to keep up 

[bombadillo]

I honestly don't even know If I'm going to vote, I may spend the time I would have taken voting to buy emergency supplies, and guns.

[Mandres]

Yeah, over the past few presidents, it seems to have gotten worse.  England seems to have things a lot better.  We have had many great presidents, and a bunch of horrible ones shuffled throughout, but ALL have had FULL allegiance to America in the past, until Obama.  There is no reason that he should not stand with his hand over his heart during THE NATIONAL ANTHEM.  (Although his supposedly 'Christian' church tells him not to).  If you put up a Marxist flag, he would probably raise his hand to his heart.

So are you on the payroll or what?  

There are some very valid reasons to oppose Obama for this job and, make no mistake, it's a job first and foremost.  No matter what trappings of patriotism or "hope" the spin doctors have wrapped around the campaigns this year don't forget that you're electing the CEO of the most powerful business in the world.  That person's intelligence, experience, and dedication are what matter.  Not their f%$king religious beliefs, sexual preferences, wife's hairstyle or pastor's obsession with evil whitey.    All of that shaZam! is nothing but a smokescreen very carefully put into place to make ignorant people vote with their hearts instead of their brains.  It's disgusting, don't buy into it.  

[yamahonkawazuki]

I honestly don't even know If I'm going to vote, I may spend the time I would have taken voting to buy emergency supplies, and guns.

but if you dont vote, and are able to, then you dont imho have a right to Buddha Loves You. hell even if you dont like either choice, vote for yourself, or write in suzuki gs500 as the candidate, that way youll be able to say, " dont blame me, i voted for ( whomever)"

[trumpetguy]

A comparison to CEO is very apt.  In this case, Obama's considerable charisma and organizing experience will pay off.  He will be a leader of people, and a real uniter (not just someone who says he is).  He will surround himself with competent people (he already has) not with those to whom he or his family owes favors, as W did.  His will be a VERY different administration than W's.  There is a real reason why people are excited to hear him speak -- his ideas, courage, and convictions are inspirational.  It's not just "hope" or "change" -- those are the slogans, but it doesn't end there.

[yamahonkawazuki]

well, TBH you know another person who had charisma, and united people?, well adolf hitler , while im not saying obama is anywhere near hitler, what im saying is, charisma, and uniting of peoples can only go so far. what else can he do? ( or has he done?)

[trumpetguy]

I think uniting is the first thing need as a country right now.  Bush/Cheney (with the able assistance of their propaganda arm, Fox News) has been so divisive and destructive that uniting is one of the first goals.

Read Obama's platform.  Then argue about issues if you want.  So far your argument is what has he done?" -- do you ask the same of McCain?  What platform issues of McCain's do you agree with?  Name-calling (directly or indirecty through rumors of Obma's religion or race) is counter-productive.

Like I said, there is a reason people are drawn to him, and he is not spouting hate or revenge like Hitler, so that's not it.

[yamahonkawazuki]

agreed. i ask about mccain as well, but i can read his voting record there.  ( senate/govt), not much on obama, thats why im asking what has he done?  and obama has his own propaganda stations as well, cnn, cbs,abc, etc etc etc, so its somewhat balanced in that department 

[quiktaco]

I'm not pro-McCain, I'm just anti-Obama.  The biggest reason why I don't want him to be president, is because he is a Marxist.  It's a simple as that.

However, there are many other reasons, such as his pastor and mentor of 20+ years (someone who you try to emulate), has shown who he really is, and this indirectly shows who Obama is.  His church, his pastor, tells everyone in the church to not put their hand over their heart during the national anthem; Obama obeys...so this means that he does follow what this pastor/mentor says.

For those of you who are swept up by the 'Hope' of 'Change', you should look at the actual person who is running.  Like said, Hitler was a charismatic person who brought the country together.  Black Liberation Theology says that Hitler was a great man.  So who's to say that Obama is not going to be as bad for the world as Hitler?

[trumpetguy]

Quiktaco, can you offer any evidence that Obama is a Marxist, as you say?  Or evidence that Black Liberation Theology considers Hitler a great man?  I have found right-wing bloggers asserting such foolishness, but none from the primary sources (i.e. Obama himself or pastors who espouse BLT). 

There are pictures and video of Obama holding his hand over his heart during the national anthem, and there is a picture of him not holding his hand over his heart.  Can you provide evidence that his former church instructs members not to hold their hand over their hearts at the playing of the national anthem?  Have you ever forgotten to do so at a football/baseball game or any other time?  Does that make it valid for us to question your patriotism?  Of course not.

Stick to the facts and the issues.  Is that so hard to do?

[quiktaco]

Please read this whole thing.  I took the time to compile my findings, and research, so the least you can do is to read the whole thing before responding.  Thank you.


Both communism and socialism trace their roots to Karl Marx, co-author of the Communist Manifesto, who endorsed the first meeting of the Socialist International, then called the "First International." According to Pierre Mauroy, president of the SI from 1992-1996, "It was he [Marx] who formally launched it, gave the inaugural address and devised its structure..."

Frank Marshall Davis is a Communist Party member and anti-American revolutionary, who Obama writes about as his Childhood mentor, Dreams From My Father.

Obama's socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the "champions" of "Chicago's democratic left" and a long-time socialist activist. Obama's stint as a "community organizer" in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.   

Blogger Steve Bartin, who has been following Obama's career and involvement with the Chicago socialists, uncovered a fascinating video showing Obama campaigning for openly socialist Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. Interestingly, Sanders, who won his seat in 2006, called Obama "one of the great leaders of the United States Senate," even though Obama had only been in the body for about two years. In 2007, the National Journal said that Obama had established himself as "the most liberal Senator." More liberal than Sanders.

A Cuban flag with a picture of Communist mass murderer Che Guevara (who is portrayed as a Christ-type in Liberation Propaganda) hangs in Obama's Houston campaign office.




Here is a passage from one of James H. Cone's Books, A Black Theology of Liberation.  Cone being the founder of Black Liberation Theology.  I think this passage speaks for itself.  James H. Cone is a man that Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright (the pastor of Obama's church) looks to for inspiration and direction in his church, which Wright describes as a Black Separatist Congregation.

The definition of Jesus as black is crucial for christology if we truly believer in his continued presence today. Taking our clue from the historical Jesus who is pictured in the New Testament as the Oppressed One, what else, except blackness, could adequately tell us the meaning of his presence today? Any statement about Jesus today that fails to consider blackness as the decisive factor about his person is a denial of the New Testament message. The life, death, and resurrection of Jesus reveal that he is the man for others, disclosing to them what is necessary for their liberation from oppression. If this is true, then Jesus Christ must be black so that blacks can know that their liberation is his liberation. . .

The black Christ is he who threatens the structure of evil as seen in white society, rebelling against it, thereby becoming the embodiment of what the black community knows that it must become. . .

To be a disciple of the black Christ is to become black with him. Looting, burning, or the destruction of white property are not primary concerns. Such matters can only be decided by the oppressed themselves who are seeking to develop their images of the black Christ. . .

Whites do not recognize what is happening, and they are thus unable to deal with it. For most whites in power, the black community is a nuisance –something to be considered only when the natives get restless. But what white America fails to realize is the explosive nature of the kingdom. Although its beginning is small, it will have far-reaching effects not only on the black community but on the white community as well. Now is the time to make decisions about loyalties, because soon it will be too late. Shall we or shall we not join the black revolutionary kingdom?


An excellent overview of the grave dangers of Liberation Theology was written in 1984 by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI).

Here are some of the important points Ratzinger makes about Liberation Theology:

1. Liberation Theology has it center of power in Latin America and in African Theology, but is found in many Christian denominations throughout the Third World.

2. Liberation Theology is a new interpretation of Christian reality.

3. Liberation Theology is radically Marxist. " . . .the world must be interpreted in terms of the class struggle and that the only choice is between capitalism and Marxism."

4. Liberation Theology thrives on perpetuating class struggle. The only people of the Church are those who participate in class struggle.

5. Liberation Theology is a theology of bloody political revolution. All of Christian reality is reduced to politico-social liberation praxis (action).

6. Liberation Theology rejects traditional scriptural interpretations. "The experience of the "community" determines the understanding and the interpretation of Scripture. . . Ultimately, what is normative for interpretation is not historical research but the hermeneutic of history experienced in the community or the political group."

7. Liberation Theology makes the Bible subject to a Marxist view of history. "The "historicality" of the Bible must justify its absolute dominance and thus legitimize the' transition to materialist-marxist philosophy, in which history has taken over the role of God. . . historical criticism has loosed Scripture from the traditional interpretation, which now appears to be unscientific.

8. Liberation Theology is a threat to the faith of the Christian Church.



I apologize for misspeaking.  Black Liberation Theology did not think that Hitler was a great man.  What was misconstrued was that many Black Liberation Theologists believe that their race is superior, the same mind set as Hitler.  Again, I apologize.


Yes, there are pictures and video of Obama with his hand over his heart and without on multiple ocassions of the national anthem, and the pledge of allegence.  However, someone in his position, doesn't forget;  "Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't [put his hand on his heart] - Obama spokesperson replied on Inside Edition.  This is not the character of man that should be in the presidency.  US flag code states that those present should stand with the right hand over the heart during the national anthem.  As for the evidence of his church saying not to hold their hand over their heart, I can not find where I had read this, however Wright does say in a sermon that he and the church should not sing "God Bless America."

[Mandres]

Whether or not someone puts his/her hand on her heart during the national anthem is not a measure of their character.  One thing has nothing to do with the other, and it's certainly has no bearing on how effectively a candidate will conduct the business of government.  I'd rather my candidate scratch his ass if he has to rather than putting on his best "solemn" face when the cameras are rolling.  Does that make me a socialist? 

Your posts are nothing but inane name calling and thinly-veiled appeals to patriotic rhetoric.  Again, I ask you, are you on the Republican payroll?  I understand that ever since Ron Paul made his big splash on the net both parties have been heavily recruiting "viral" campaigners.  if so, you're not very good at it.

Let's talk about Obama's real shortcoming; his lack of experience in an executive role.  He was neither a born blue-blood or a captain of industry before his political career.  He doesn't have the wealth, the connections, or the decade-long relationships that it takes to be a truly effective leader in our system of government.  This is the only real and legitimate argument against him.  There is no doubt that he's an intelligent and dedicated individual.  If you believe that he's a terrorist, a black supremacist, or any of the other creative Neocon insinuations then you're a f%$king fool. 

Now let's look at the McCain alternative.  72 is a senior citizen, by anyone's definition.  By his own words he's admitted to knowing little about economic theory, technology, to the point of total computer illiteracy.  That's flabbergasting in this day and age.  He's a war hero, which is great for the powerful concerns who live and thrive on war.  you know the ones; our current VP used to sit in the big office for one of the largest. 

But it's been 8 years of war now with nothing to show for it except thousands of dead American kids and Trillions of dollars passed from the hands of foreign investment firms straight to the balance sheets of Big H, Raytheon, Lockheed, et. al.  8 years of deflating the value of the U.S. Dollar to crisis level and burying future generations under unimaginably tall mountains of debt.  For what?  So that Exxon breaks 11b in profit this quarter?  I've had enough of war.  It doesn't sound like McCain has, and the people who he will surround himself with, the same people who engineered this clusterfuck in Iraq, have certainly not had enough.  It's their bread and butter, and it's not their children dying to road-side bombs while we argue about whether "the surge" is a politically acceptable terminology.   

[yamahonkawazuki]

ill give obama credit, in laymans terms, hes got the looks, and the smarts, but again, i know not much about him. and i see no evidence, that teh left keeps saying Mccain will continute bush. i see only opinions. or partial quotes, posted to support the posters viewpoints  , know what, heh i see htis every four years on this forum. this will make my seoncd pres election ive read through here. and barring banishment, ill see it again in 4 more years

[quiktaco]

No I'm not on their payroll.  That's probably why I'm not good at it.  I'm just a 25 year old, new father that lives in southern California.  Graphic Designer is my occupation.

I know people are going to think what they think, but it doesn't sound like you really read through, and thought about what I had written.  I never said that he personally was racist, however his pastor, other mentors, and people around him admittedly are.  On the other hand, he is quoted saying, "a typical white person" about his grandmother.  This does hint to a little bit of racism.

The thing that I am really concerned about is him being a Marxist.  He isn't admittedly a Marxist, but a Democrat.  However, my proof was in my writing.  Maybe it's because I am a Conservative Christian man, that he just leaps out as a bad person.  He's been backed by Socialist Organizations (same thing as Marxist), and the man (Cone), that his pastor looks to for inspiration, is a Marxist.  He (Obama) flies a flag of a Communist (same thing as Marxist) mass murderer Che Guevara next to the American flag in one of his Campaign offices.

These things alone are why he should not become president.

[natedawg120]

Not meaning to offend, but quiktaco why do you think communism/socialism/marxism is bad.  In theory they are great forms of gov't, its just the dictators that make it bad.  As everyone remembers from elementary school those systems fail because 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'.  I don't think that Obama can be blamed for keeping that flag in his campaign office, after all that is the heritage that he was born with from his fathers side.

[quiktaco]

I just believe that everyone is responsible for themselves.  If one works hard, then they can get ahead in life.  I don't want to be paying MY hard earned money so that some dumbass can sit watching TV all day and collect welfare.  Get a job, work hard, and make a living, so that you can enjoy life on your own dime.  THAT is what is wrong with those forms of government.  When everyone is equal and gets the same crap, then there is no joy in life.  The US would run like a union, where everyone doesn't give a crap about anything.  Everything being censored, controlled, banned, withheld, and mandatory, is not freedom.  Freedom is capitalism, where hard work pays dividends.  Yes, it can get corrupt, especially in big business, but that's not what I'm talking about.  Those other forms of governments would like to ban all choices that one may have.  Say bye bye to your motorcycles, cars, guns, entertainment, concerts, music, and any other freedom you enjoy right now.