Who are you voting for, for President?

[jserio]

i can say with all honesty, i'm NOT voting for Obama. absolutely will not. in my eyes he doesn't have any answers. he claims he wants "change, we can all believe in". well, believing is all fine and dandy but tell me, how do you propose we do this? what are your solutions to this problem mr. obama? hmm...haven't gotten a real answer on that yet. at least with Mccain we know he has a plan. it may be a bit off in some areas, (the war, oil etc) but at least the man has an idea of what he wants to do for our country. obama reminds me of the students back in highschool running for class president. they all screamed about how they were gonna change this and do that. and of course they got elected only to realize they really couldn't do everything they promised. another reason i will not vote for obama, the man doesn't share my views on the 2nd ammendment. and i'd be lying if i didn't say the whole Rev. Wright fiasco didn't play some sort of role. whether it's wrong or right, not one of you can honestly tell me that you've never drawn an opinion of someone based on their friends, collegues etc. doesn't happen, sorry. and i'm also going to say i agree with the buddha, race will play a huge role in this election but people won't say so becuase they're afraid of how they will be viewed by others. this country is not ready for a black president yet. there is still too much hate/racism, from both sides, white and black.

[The Buddha]

See quiktaco - they have to mention it, and deal with it. Here it is not happening at all.

In India there was a long running populist movie star turned politician dude that died after sweeping elections for nearly 20 years. He had a second in command - ironically one who was much in the Hillary mould who was also his co star in several movies. Sharp woman really. She was acting Cheif Minister in the 2-3 years that dude was in hospital.

Upon his death, his wife who was a non political figure, who was not even mentioned ever in anything decided to make a run at the position.

It was a point where the public was thinking who the F*(k is this ... but no one ever even asked ...
The 2 women ended up entirely getting swept into oblivion with the previous Vice cheif minister getting ~80% of the votes, the wife getting 20% and handing a landslide to the opponent.

4 years later the wife dropped out (immediately after the loss) and the other lady swept with a land slide back into the post. I will anticipate that happening here. No one has said it, and no one has dealt with it.

Cool.
Buddha.

[trumpetguy]

The fact that you thing abortion in only a health care issue is where you went wrong.  It's murder.  (snip)

Family planning is murder as well.  The line for where life begins is different in your eyes than mine.  At conception, when the cells begin to grow into a person, is considered a life to me.  When say, 6 of those are created, and implanted, then the other 3-5 of them are killed when at least one takes completely is still murder.  And I am not anti contraceptives.  I'm glad my wife had her birth control.  If not, we would have had our baby girl before we were ready.

Dude.  Your beliefs are simply your beliefs.  They are that way because of your religion.  I don't share them.  Many people of other religions don't share them.  Why should the law of the land reflect YOUR religion?  You don't want an abortion in your family -- fine -- don't get one.  But keep your hands and your religious laws off MY family.

And you might want to check out the mechanics of your wife's birth control.  If it is an oral contraceptive, it prevents the implantation of a fertilized zygote.  The Catholic Church (for that reason) considers oral contraception the same as abortion.

Abortion is not 'religion', as you call it.  It's murder, which infringes on another human beings life.  What if the age of 'living' was upped to 1 month old.  Then anyone could just go around killing 1 month olds if they didn't want them anymore.  Guess what, my daughter was 1 month preemie, and she's living just fine.  She had been alive inside my wife for a long time prior to that too.  Just cause she's getting nutrition through her umbilical cord doesn't me she's not alive yet.

No one on either side of the aisle supports the abortion of viable (outside the womb) fetuses EXCEPT in the case of the health of the mother.  Straw man arguments don't work in the logical world.

I know that Obama will win in this next election.  There's no way that he can't.  I just hope that the American people can realize soon enough when he starts doing outrageous things, that he needs to be out of office as soon as possible.  That way we can all minimize that damage that he could cause.

I hope you're right that he will be elected.  I don't need to respond to your other statements.  I already have in earlier posts.

[quiktaco]

And you might want to check out the mechanics of your wife's birth control.  If it is an oral contraceptive, it prevents the implantation of a fertilized zygote.  The Catholic Church (for that reason) considers oral contraception the same as abortion.

I am not Catholic, but I thank you for bringing this to my attention.  I admit that I did not know up until this point that certain versions of the pill can act as an abortant.  I was convinced that it simply stopped the fertilization process.  I will look into other forms of contraception, and to see if there are other pills that only act to stop fertilization, and see if my wife had been on this particular kind.  I am glad that my God does not judge based on ignorance.  Now that I know, He forgives me.

No one on either side of the aisle supports the abortion of viable (outside the womb) fetuses EXCEPT in the case of the health of the mother.  Straw man arguments don't work in the logical world.

Obama does.  didn't you watch the video about it?  These babies could very well have lived, but they were allowed to die, because no medical attention was given to them.  He voted this way multiple times.  Not a single other person voted this way.

[The Buddha]

There is 8 billion people in the world. I think all the food shortages, the resource crunches and even global warming can be really traced back to this. 2-3 billion the planet can easily support with no effort, 4-5 Billion - we have to watch various things and not do this or that.
Anything to reduce it back to that point - I am in favor of. The reason is just that. Over population. If we were at 2 billion, I'd be pro life and non family planning and non ghey marriage too. This point in time, we will drown ourselves in our own filth if we dont stop multiplying like rabbits. We need quality, not just quantity.
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Buddha.

[yamahonkawazuki]

and now there are rumours that obama MAY be ineligible to be pres. granted, i look at this as i do the 9/11 theories, ( CT theories ) as in one ear and out the otehr, with a brief stop in the middle. ive got to see something resembling proof. im not an obama supporter, BUT on the odd chance this were true, then hell who knows. now the die hard obama supporters may say, blah blah neocon, vast right wing etc. but tehre are those within the hillary camp saying this also. so this may be BS, and it may not be. Me? ill call bs untl something more substantial surfaces , anyhoo links found so far:


http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/13/america/NA-POL-US-Obama-Natural-Born.php

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizen.htm

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/56712 , this one and  ↑ that one seem to argue against each. not sure who is right. ( see why my view is a bit skewed atm? )

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread376451/pg1 i will withold views/opinions pending further proof. again, via the rumour mill, there may be a lawsuit challenging obamas candidacy, btu we shall see

[quiktaco]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread376451/pg1 i will withold views/opinions pending further proof. again, via the rumour mill, there may be a lawsuit challenging obamas candidacy, btu we shall see

That's an interesting thread.  I hadn't heard about this whole thing with the Birth Certificate.  I'm sure he is a naturally born citizen, but like the people in that thread, he does need to prove it if he wants to be president.  I need to provide a birth certificate if I want to go on a cruise.  Why shouldn't he provide his if he wants to be president?  But again, I'm sure he is all good and legal to be president, or his own party wouldn't even had let him get this far, cause it would have been disastrous.

There is 8 billion people in the world. I think all the food shortages, the resource crunches and even global warming can be really traced back to this. 2-3 billion the planet can easily support with no effort, 4-5 Billion - we have to watch various things and not do this or that.
Anything to reduce it back to that point - I am in favor of. The reason is just that. Over population. If we were at 2 billion, I'd be pro life and non family planning and non ghey marriage too. This point in time, we will drown ourselves in our own filth if we dont stop multiplying like rabbits. We need quality, not just quantity.
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Buddha.

I agree that this planet can't hold the amount of people that are here, but I don't agree with setting aside my morals so that there will be fewer people for the earth to support.

[frankieG]

there are waaay to many people on the planet...i got rid of some but not nearly enough    budda is right though, we send food to these countries with starving people.  they live and just make more starving people so the circle never ends.  bring on another black plague

[quiktaco]

bring on another black plague

I was going to say something to that effect, but thought it would be taken the wrong way.  The world has a way of equalizing itself when it can't sustain a certain amount of people, being by plagues, or natural disasters, where millions can die.

[frankieG]

anyone with even a basic knowledge of history or medieval Europe would know what i am talking about

[The Buddha]

Quiktaco - I agree with your morals - though I would say that its a case of religiously induced morals.

Abortion - hell no. Stop screwing around and stop getting knocked and for gods sake, dont have one after another because you're against abortion and cannot keep it in your pants or go to Planned parenthood.

Ghey marriage - yes, just keep it to yourself and dont shove it down everyone's throat (no pun intended), have a quiet parade once a year and whatever, just dont display on TV all the time ... its rather boring too. And, stop sperm poaching (heard some lesbians do 1 night stands with guys for getting pregnant and either sue him later for paternity etc) ... want kids - adopt ... Consult with above.

Planned parenthood - Problem is if they are smart enough and articulate enough to go and follow one, they have the qualities needed to be good parents. The riff raff needs to be rounded up and "planned parenthooded" the people that walk in on their own, need to be congradulated and well I guess help them too.

I doubt that this can do very much really, but stop calling up religion when you want to and "be against abortion" when you cant keep it in your pants. Religion says abstinence doesn't it, you have broken that. Now have this child and here after follow your religion. All of it, not just what is fun.

US population is shrinking except for illegal immigrants and their "anchor babies". Are they anchor babies cos they are likely to sink the US to third world status
The rest of the world is exploding. Idiotic.

Yea we need to stop shipping food everywhere. heck, we shipped relief supplies to china after the earthquake. Tents and chairs etc ... now, didn't we buy it from them in the first place. So why the F&*k didn't they send it there themselves

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Buddha.

[quiktaco]

I found this video.  Ignore the song in the background, cause it will probably piss the left off, but it does show in the second have of the video, a lot of the policies that Obama will have.  It shows specifics for what taxes will be increased also.  It's going to be an expensive next four years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8wFzehGqX0

And yes, my morals are religiously induced.  Everyone's morals are religiously induced.  They develop over what they believe and/or don't believe.  If they don't have any religion, then they are usually atheists, which is what they believe, and their morals develop out of that.  It would be how they were raise, and what morals they were taught to as kids/young adults, through others.

[The Buddha]

Those will be values or religious values or belieifs. Morals are things that have nothing to do with religion but still considered wrong.
You ask me for 125 jets, and I send you 150's. That will make you mad, no matter what religion you are. Surely my religion does not say "do not bait and switch" and yours does not say, do not be a victim of "bait and switch".
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Buddha.

[quiktaco]

I guess I understand what you are saying, but Morals and Values cross over each other.  I don't know where my morals would end and values begin.  To me they are the same.  I think that people would get both morals and values from what they believe in.  They don't just pop up one day.  There has to be a basis for them, and most all people would base them on their beliefs.  the others would base them on what other people choose to accept as 'ok', so they adopt the popular opinion.

[The Buddha]

Something that would be wrong to all people regardless of religion will be a moral. That includes atheists, agnostics amnesiacs, appalachians etc etc.

Something that is totally dependent on religion like killing an animal and then eating it, most hindu's would rather die than do that ... dependent on religion.

Several aspects of things prohibited by christianity like evolution, contraception and ghey-ism and many other religions will have no effect on a hindu. Kill a cow and its the end of the world for them. That will be religious value not moral. Also In india they dont teach any thing religious in school. Hinduism believes in creation too, however most hindu's dont even know. In school, they only teach evolution.

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Buddha.

[quiktaco]

Why would something be wrong to all people?  It would have to have a basis somewhere?

I can see what you mean, also like a Vegetarian not killing animals.  They do it based on morals.  And if I understand correctly, Hindu's do it based on Values.  One is religious and the other is not.  However, it is still the vegetarian's beliefs.  They feel that it is wrong based on something.  I think there is an argument on both sides of determining Values and Moral, and I don't feel that it is that big of a deal based on words.  It is what people think whether it be morals or values.

Abortion can be a moral or a value - religion says it's wrong.  Or someone feels that it is murder, and they also feel murder is wrong, so then it's a moral, not based on religion.

Let's get closer on track with the presidental race.
Has anyone looked at this video? 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8wFzehGqX0
It's showing the high tax hikes that Obama will impose.  These are his views on the economy.  We will all be paying a lot more money to live. 

[quiktaco]

This video demonstrates Obama's knowledge and policies for the war in Iraq.  He doesn't know what is going on, and clearly said that he will send troops back after withdrawing them, if Al Quida comes to Iraq (which they are already in).  Also, he said in 2004 when he was running for Senate, that pulling out of Iraq would be a very bad thing.  Which is now what he is saying he wants to do.  Watch the video, and see that this man has been changing his views based on political gain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ70XwRZbRA

[The Buddha]

I love it when morals or values get nice and flexible ...

Hindu's will cringe when I suggest we should kill and eat a chicken.

However they are all OK with pulling silk from a silk worm ... where you boil the freaking thing alive.

There is a huge hazard in really imposing your moral compass on someone else. In my defence I ate the damn thing I just killed. In a silk wearers defence ... well it looks so pretty ... or heck, it was raised just for this purpose. Yea, not flying with me.

You break your moral compass, you cannot sleep, if you have one part of that compass that is not functioning, you leave it be, that is the only way you can live.
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Buddha.

[Revere2]

I'm voting for Alexander Haig for President with Bo Gritz for Vice Prez..

[frankieG]

obama increasing taxes...jesus h christ bush is spending us into the poor house with his bull shaZam! war.  and he is boring the money from the same cronies that are profiting from the war.  the republicans may not raise taxes but what they do is to increase the dept to just unforgivable proportions that can not be repaid.  then they scream the democrats are going to raise taxes.  well who f%&ked up our economy from the gold star it was at when bill clinton left?  the republicans and bush.  mccain will do the same, borrow borrow borrow which will hurt the economy more and them give tax breaks to big business to "stimulate" the economy which was f%&ked up to begin with because of borrowing from the same people they give the tax break to.   holy f%$k you guys you can't be that stupid not to realize what is going on.  eventually this whole balloon is going to collapse and then we, or our children or grand children will be busted.  then the US will be ripe for the same type of political take over that the nazis perpetrated 60 years ago.   before you start firing the flaming arrows please check out the facts and what i have said.  unfortunately you will see that it is true.  if it happens in our time then the only hope we have is for guys like terry and i going underground and mobilizing the good people like we have here on the board.  but i think we are a long way from that and with some progressive thinking, some hard choices when it comes to taxes and spending we can get out of this.  but i don't know if we, the american people, have it in us.  to give up the over spending and living beyond our means.   the housing and credit crunch that is killing the middle class is poised to do the same thing to our government and country.