Who are you voting for, for President?

[quiktaco]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PePbtEABzGk
Watch this video.  It explains the insane spending that Obama will impose. 

With Obama's Kyoto agreements the US will have to cut back tremendusly on production, and all the other countries of the world can either stay where they are, or even increase production.  This will cost american trillions in the long run

With Obama's 'Global Poverty Act', which recently blindsided congress, and recieved approval without being fully analized.  The US taxpayers will be paying other countries (not our own), and estimated 845 billion dollars, of which, the US recieves zero of.

With Obama's Tax increases, and letting tax cuts expire, the tax payers will be paying 197 Billion every year, so nearly 800 Billion during the time that he's in Office.

And of course we all want this war to come to an end, and stop that spending, but that spending doesn't come close to what Obama plans on doing.  This war needs to end in the proper way, or Troops will be leaving under fire, and many many more will die, and it will open up the country for an extremist tackover, so all these years there would be useless.  Most people aren't looking at those points.  It can't just end, because people want it to.  It has to end in the proper ways.

[quiktaco]

Here is a link that will explain the Kyoto Treaty.  It sounds like a great idea, and that it would stop global warming.  However, the only impact would be on America, and not the rest of the world.  Just watch it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz-pE7b57h4

[The Buddha]

obama increasing taxes...jesus h christ bush is spending us into the poor house with his bull shaZam! war.  and he is boring the money from the same cronies that are profiting from the war.  the republicans may not raise taxes but what they do is to increase the dept to just unforgivable proportions that can not be repaid.  then they scream the democrats are going to raise taxes.  well who f%$ked up our economy from the gold star it was at when bill clinton left?  the republicans and bush.  mccain will do the same, borrow borrow borrow which will hurt the economy more and them give tax breaks to big business to "stimulate" the economy which was f%$ked up to begin with because of borrowing from the same people they give the tax break to.   holy f%$k you guys you can't be that stupid not to realize what is going on.  eventually this whole balloon is going to collapse and then we, or our children or grand children will be busted.  then the US will be ripe for the same type of political take over that the nazis perpetrated 60 years ago.   before you start firing the flaming arrows please check out the facts and what i have said.  unfortunately you will see that it is true.  if it happens in our time then the only hope we have is for guys like terry and i going underground and mobilizing the good people like we have here on the board.  but i think we are a long way from that and with some progressive thinking, some hard choices when it comes to taxes and spending we can get out of this.  but i don't know if we, the american people, have it in us.  to give up the over spending and living beyond our means.   the housing and credit crunch that is killing the middle class is poised to do the same thing to our government and country.

The plan is to get a ton of debt, and pass it on to the anchor babies and the illegal aliens who are running across the border. They claim its their country too ... so let them deal with it.
We will build a fence on the borders and post heavy patrols, but it will be to keep the illegals from going back without paying their debt.
Now mexico has plenty of oil and is on good terms with venezuela etc so they can get it cheap. We will start a program - bring 5 gallons of gasoline and you get a pass through the fence.
try to leave and the cost is 500 gallons or $5,000 - whichever is easier for you.
The only job for citizens will be to police the illegals. Its very high paying and no skill required. in fact, skill can only hurt.
Yea ... good plan.
Tax and spend democrats, and borrow and blow republicans. Neither of whom has any real way to solve anything. They can only argue about how to interpret the bible and cripple the medical advances needed to keep the aging population alive. We dont care, the entitlements will drive us into debt and cripple us, so better to have them die.

And here is the kicker ... We continue to confuse malfeasance for ignorance. Bush isn't stupid despite what his demeaner suggests. At a very basic level he knows how to subvert the truth for his gain. In the last few years whenever he made a speech referring to the 00-01 recession, he always made it a point to say "entered recession following the september 11th attacks" ... WTF, we were 6 months in at that point ... and we reversed by november 01. His credo is, look stupid and rip off people. Cheney is look like darth vader, and rip off people.
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Buddha.

[The Buddha]

BTW The war against Iraq ... its a case where the insurgents were not driven away, the insurgents melted away after the troop surge. The Surge isn't working, the surge has pushed it underground. If we withdraw, on any schedule, 16 months, 24 months, 36 months ... whenever, it will reverse right back to where it was. We also can forget about getting any oil from there. We now will probably be the only country who does not get any oil from there.
Afghanisthan, again wheever we withdraw, its back to whoever is the new thugs of the region.
These are places that cannot ever be brought under stable democracies. Pakisthan - same thing. The only thing these countries will do is, stay quiet under a iron fisted tyrant. Maybe Bin Laden.
India has been at this fight for 60 years. With them, nothing is final. They always keep moving the boundaries and want more and more ... watch as all 3 of these countries crash and burn. Its like this, you have an agreement with Bush, then whoever is next comes in and makes it all void. Then you go back to negotiate with the new ruler ... takes a few years, get an agreement, and he gets deposed in a coup or a failure of his government, the new guy moves somethign else, and says its all void. On and On. Tyranny is a viable option really. Put a puppet like the saudis in there, prop him up and watch the oil flow. Else its civil war for the next 2-300 years. Leave now, leave later - same thing.
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Buddha.

[jserio]

i'm not a finance major or political major or any of that shaZam!. but it's my understanding that a little war now and again actually has positive side effects. sure, the cost of all goods goes up but if it's only for a short time, this could actually be good. make some profits. "stimulate" the economy. as far as "tax cuts" and all that shaZam!, it's just smoke screen i think. the govt needs to learn to properly use the money i give them now before they 1)ask me for more or 2)tell me i don't have to pay em as much. i'm wondering at this point why the hell we even have a budget. alot of our tax money is misused. i'm sick of my tax money going to support "illegals". i'm sick of my tax money going to support lazy fucks that just wanna sit around and do drugs and over-populate my cities with trashy youth that have no respect for themselves or others. i'm sick of politicians who just wanna smear the other guy. who gives a f%$k who he got a blowjob from? (clinton fiasco was blown way out of proportion). i'm sick of people who think the word owes them something because of their skin color.  i'm sick of turning on the news and hearing how some guy got busted for drugs and is gonna do 30 years but the child molester is only gonna get 6 years. hell, i saw a thing on the news today some lady in wisconsin i believe was arrested for not returning 2 library books. yeah, that was a great way to waste tax payers money. i'm sick of double standard laws. (you have to wear a seat-belt because seat belts save lives, but you don't have to wear a motorcycle helment.) i'm sick of criminals having more rights and protection than honest citizens. i'm sick of seeing people getting privledges and such because of who they know(or who they blow). i'm sick of laws that say people of certain races have to be treated as "special" in the work place. i'm sick of stupid ass lawsuits put forth by morons. if you're dumb enough to put hot coffee between your legs, you deserve to get burned, you don't deserve to be a millionaire. if you're dumb enough to come into my yard and pester my dog, you deserve to get bit, you don't deserve a new house.  and as a result of such altercation, my dog does not need to be put down, he needs to be rewarded for protecting himself and my family.  i'm sick of people who want to censor everyone's thoughts and opinions just because they may hurt someone's feelings. i'm sick of the golden rule.(he who has the gold makes the rules). personally, no matter who our next president is, none of this is gonna change. neither of these politicians has the balls to stand up for america and do what's right for our country. f%$king pussies.  

[quiktaco]

BTW The war against Iraq ... its a case where the insurgents were not driven away, the insurgents melted away after the troop surge. The Surge isn't working, the surge has pushed it underground. If we withdraw, on any schedule, 16 months, 24 months, 36 months ... whenever, it will reverse right back to where it was. We also can forget about getting any oil from there. We now will probably be the only country who does not get any oil from there.
Afghanisthan, again wheever we withdraw, its back to whoever is the new thugs of the region.
These are places that cannot ever be brought under stable democracies. Pakisthan - same thing. The only thing these countries will do is, stay quiet under a iron fisted tyrant. Maybe Bin Laden.
India has been at this fight for 60 years. With them, nothing is final. They always keep moving the boundaries and want more and more ... watch as all 3 of these countries crash and burn. Its like this, you have an agreement with Bush, then whoever is next comes in and makes it all void. Then you go back to negotiate with the new ruler ... takes a few years, get an agreement, and he gets deposed in a coup or a failure of his government, the new guy moves somethign else, and says its all void. On and On. Tyranny is a viable option really. Put a puppet like the saudis in there, prop him up and watch the oil flow. Else its civil war for the next 2-300 years. Leave now, leave later - same thing.
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Buddha.

I agree

i'm not a finance major or political major or any of that shaZam!. but it's my understanding that a little war now and again actually has positive side effects. sure, the cost of all goods goes up but if it's only for a short time, this could actually be good. make some profits. "stimulate" the economy. as far as "tax cuts" and all that shaZam!, it's just smoke screen i think. the govt needs to learn to properly use the money i give them now before they 1)ask me for more or 2)tell me i don't have to pay em as much. i'm wondering at this point why the hell we even have a budget. alot of our tax money is misused. i'm sick of my tax money going to support "illegals". i'm sick of my tax money going to support lazy f%$ks that just wanna sit around and do drugs and over-populate my cities with trashy youth that have no respect for themselves or others. i'm sick of politicians who just wanna smear the other guy. who gives a f%$k who he got a blowjob from? (clinton fiasco was blown way out of proportion). i'm sick of people who think the word owes them something because of their skin color.  i'm sick of turning on the news and hearing how some guy got busted for drugs and is gonna do 30 years but the child molester is only gonna get 6 years. hell, i saw a thing on the news today some lady in wisconsin i believe was arrested for not returning 2 library books. yeah, that was a great way to waste tax payers money. i'm sick of double standard laws. (you have to wear a seat-belt because seat belts save lives, but you don't have to wear a motorcycle helment.) i'm sick of criminals having more rights and protection than honest citizens. i'm sick of seeing people getting privledges and such because of who they know(or who they blow). i'm sick of laws that say people of certain races have to be treated as "special" in the work place. i'm sick of stupid ass lawsuits put forth by morons. if you're dumb enough to put hot coffee between your legs, you deserve to get burned, you don't deserve to be a millionaire. if you're dumb enough to come into my yard and pester my dog, you deserve to get bit, you don't deserve a new house.  and as a result of such altercation, my dog does not need to be put down, he needs to be rewarded for protecting himself and my family.  i'm sick of people who want to censor everyone's thoughts and opinions just because they may hurt someone's feelings. i'm sick of the golden rule.(he who has the gold makes the rules). personally, no matter who our next president is, none of this is gonna change. neither of these politicians has the balls to stand up for america and do what's right for our country. f%$king pussies.  2guns 2guns

Welcome to the Libertarian Party my friend!  I agree 100%

[The Buddha]

Aaaaa Libertarian ... OK ... that makes sense ... the soap box etc etc ... OK. Sorry I didn't read too many of the posts before quiktaco.
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Buddha.

[quiktaco]

Aaaaa Libertarian ... OK ... that makes sense ... the soap box etc etc ... OK. Sorry I didn't read too many of the posts before quiktaco.
Cool.
Buddha.

What do you mean by this?  If this was condescending, please explain.


I don't know if I'm really a Libertarian or not.  I've always been registered as a Republican, but don't agree with about half of their views.

Mostly what I like from the Libertarians is minimal government, retraction of frivolous laws, responsibility for self and family, and following the Constitution as it was meant to be followed, when written 2 centuries ago.  The government is there to serve the people, not the other way around.  And the Constitution was written so that the government can't (legally anyways) assume more responsibility than they had a right to.  The amendments (like the right to bare arms), were added so that the country could protect themselves against a corrupt government.  The Libertarian views are basic, meant for freedom and liberation from government restraints.

[The Buddha]

Just noticing ... not condescending. Libertarians tend to revel in situations where there is enough bashing of both sides. Essentially if you think both sides are wrong ... you're libertarian.
Green's tend to be a bit more in line with democrats, and the ross perot types tend to be republicans.
I dont know, I am not a citizen. I am thinking I should not become one, lest I find it harder to leave.
Though I believe I dont have to surrender my indian passport to get an US one, Dual citizenship baby.
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buddha.

[quiktaco]

Thank you for not being condescending.  I don't really agree with either side.  I don't think most people agree with either side, but those 2 sides are the ones that we're presented with to vote for.  Like I said on a previous page, I am not a grass roots type person, and I'm going to vote where it will have some impact on the current situation.  I won't be voting Libertarian.  If I thought they had a chance, I probably would.  I will be with the side that is most close to my views, which unfortunately right now is the republicans.  McCain is not an ideal candidate, and he would not have a chance if it weren't for the 2 democrats that had come forth.  McCain, other than his position on the war (which is actually a fairly good one, because he wants to withdrawal, but in the proper manner), he is a fairly liberal minded man.  This just isn't seen because he is labeled as a Republican, and is over shadowed by the extreme Liberal, Obama.

One weird thing that I have noticed.  A lot of people that are Obama supporters, are also Ron Paul supporters.  These two people are on opposite sides of the spectrum, which shows to me, that these people are looking at very shallow issues, and not the way they will run the country as a whole.  Ron Paul is for minimal government, and Obama is for as much government as possible.  Am I missing something.  The only thing Ron Paul has that I disagree with, is withdrawing troops from other countries of the world.  That might favor the Obama supporters, but I don't see much else.  If someone wants to explain this to me, that would be great.

[GeeP]

I vote yellow dawg.

Let 'em do whatever the hell they want. 

[yamahonkawazuki]

evetybody including the clintons used halliburton frankie. so the cronies meh.im assuming that was whom you were referring to?, anyhoo yeah. globally everyones paying higher rates for transportation food  no matter what. it all ties into oil. we are still in a way paying for BC. he stripped teh military, and were paying for that. higher taxes i wouldnt mind IF and only IF this govt could spend wisely. which it has demonstrated the inability to do so ( no matter WHO was in teh whitehouse. liek all the extra crap which goes into bills put forth by house and sentate. hell  that shaZam! could be takn care of if they would bring back the line item veto. so the busshit spending by both liberals, AND conservatives AND whomever else, would and could be more closely scrutinised. hell i see no politician in office who would be qualified to manage a fast food restaurant. crap like thats been going on far longer than either bush or either clinton has been into politics. hell id be into some progressive aka liberal thinking if they coulde spend wisely?

[The Buddha]

Yea both sides are crap. We dont have any others ... total crap.
India especially northern India is really really good at organising protests. East too. For unpopular government ideas, thousands and thousands of people will protest in the streets, I dunno how they mobilise that well. It was so bad, the british had to split bengal into 2 halves.

In modern times I have heard that south korea is very good at mobilising people and they almost exclusively do it via text message. There ougtha be marches on washington both conventions and literally protesters everywhere they look. We have to learn somehting from these people and get doing it. Politicians need to be dragged into the street and beaten - happens in India, not sure of Korea.

The reverse - there is a total shutdown when a unpopular measure is implemented. The whole country goes on strike. We call it Bandh (closed in hindi) but, its worse than any damn national holiday. The whole country is a ghost town. We have to learn how to do both in the US. We are rapidly becoming a thrid world country and this is all that can stop it.

BTW now georgia is the new afganisthan is it. What say the US is going to arm the militias and get them to rebel and oppose russia ... not that I disagree, but we oughtta have an exit strategy, as in set up a few factories and train people and make compact cars and dum them in europe and asia. Some like that.
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Buddha.

[yamahonkawazuki]

hell ive got to admit/give credit to the clintons, was listening to teh copnvention, and ill be damned they gave a hell of a speech. as did biden. but its Meh, both/all politicians sound like used car salesmen, . eg telling you what you want to hear in hopes that you buy the car

[frankieG]

unfortunately the pull out in Iraq is going to be eerily similar to that of Vietnam.  remember bush saying "this is not going to be another Vietnam"  guess what...he lied and it is.  McCain will just the the 3rd term of the bush administration.  the only hope for change and to get out of this whole we are quickly digging for our selves, not just with the war but other issues too, is to vote Obama.

[quiktaco]

Yeah Obama!  I vote for Obama!

Here's all my guns, here's 2/3rds of my paycheck, here's any amount of moral fiber I still had, Oh how I salute thee!  All hail Obama!


Sorry, just getting tired of fighting.  There's really no way to convince someone who's strong-held on one side, to make the believe the views of the other.  Same goes in both directions.  Some people believe that they have the right to freedom, and self reliance, and self responsibility, and others want their lives run by the government, and want to get free handouts, because they don't want to take responsibility for their own lives.

[frankieG]

republicans are mortagaging your future and that of you children and grandchildren etc...so it is either raise taxes or have the country collapse.  our status as a superpower is gone.  china, Russia and others know we are on the ropes.  we need out of there and to get our economy up to snuff or we are in for serious trouble.  so you don't want your taxes to go up, right?  so how do we pay off a trillion dollar debt?  cut spending?  OK where?   policing(which is just out of control and we have more people per ca pita than any other country in jail)  the military(back to the fear thing and the cronies making billions on this)  those are the two biggies.  realistically it would have to be a combination of both.  cut back federal spending on the "fear" departments and raise taxes to get a balanced budget to begin with.  then go from there.   people can not just spend and spend , borrow and borrow without their being consequences.  neither can a government.

[quiktaco]

If you've read any of my previous posts, Obama plans to, over his first term, spend about 800 Billion on a world program, of which, none of that money will come back to the US.  Where does this money come from.  That would almost double the national debt along.  He also plans on implementing the Kyoto treaty.  This will cause only the US to reduce production which will cost billions, maybe trillions in the long run, and destroy our economy.  Also raising taxes on things like inharitance tax, and capital gains tax, which can cause the elderly to not be able to afford to downsize a home, or cause a family farm to go out of business because they have to pay so much in taxes when their parents died and left it to them.  Those are just a couple things that will have a great impact on pretty much everyone in the US.

I don't want McCain in the White House, cause he won't be all that great for America, but he will be a ton better than Obama.

Eventually, there will be bumper stickers that say, "Don't blame me, I didn't vote for the Socialist", and everyone will be a Monday Morning Quarterback, and say that he was bad for this country from the beginning.

[quiktaco]

Oh, and don't say that the Kyoto treaty will help with Global Warming.  That's BS.  Global temperatures haven't risen since 1998, and we've put out something like over 20% more CO2 since then.  Global Warming is a big sham, and everyone is following it so blindly, just like they are following Obama.

[spc]

One more f%$king time, WE ARE STILL TECHNICALLY IN AN ICE AGE!!!!  So f%$k global warming and the bitchy douchebags that want to take my Internal combustion engines away......f%$k that.