Who are you voting for, for President?

[Revere2]

If "I" were running things...................it most probably would lead to his arrest and perhaps conviction of  treason if determined. No one of his calibre should be allowed to speak on behalf of the United States Government and especially it's citizenry. "Over there"......
"in that area" we have some filthy, murderous, savage, and even Communist countries that our representatives approve of sending billions of dollars of taxpayer's money to each year. Truthfully, they are no more than knuckle-dragging neanderthals wearing a nice business suit with AK-47's instead of a loin cloth and spears......................more of our tax dollars...............
I can hear the piss-ant liberals now screaming about how we all need to love Robert Mugabi. "Those" bastards have DESTROYED
"civilization" in those countries. Colonialism and Imperialism built great empires.........only to be forced to turn them over to the savages and have them turned back into mud, filth, and pestilence. Cecil Rhodes is spinning in his grave like a rotisserie. Ian Smith and Botha, I salute you and I spit on de Clerk. Let me go a bit further..........I shaZam! on de Clerk.

[spc]

Has Mugabe killed that guy he agreed to share power with yet?

[CanukGS500]

Has Mugabe killed that guy he agreed to share power with yet?

nah, he's having too much fun with 50,000,000% inflation (seriously!)

[quiktaco]

If "I" were running things...................it most probably would lead to his arrest and perhaps conviction of  treason if determined. No one of his calibre should be allowed to speak on behalf of the United States Government and especially it's citizenry.

Exactly.  No one is even looking at this.  He should be imprisoned, not our next president.  He was negotiating to keep troops over there longer, so that he could take the credit for pulling them out after he becomes president.

[quiktaco]

I am compiling a (sorry) long list of reasons why Obama should be shunned, imprisoned, and watched as a threat by the National Security Administration, instead of running for President.

It's extremely long, so I'm sorry, but read through all of it if you are considering to vote for this man.  It's a side that the Obama Campaign has been trying hard to hide (that's actually part of this...you'll see)

You may want to grab a beer, or a bowl of popcorn, cause the movie is about to begin.

[quiktaco]

Obama's Scandals...

His Life Changing Lie – He wrote movingly of a turning point in his life when, as a nine-year-old, he read in Life magazine of a "black man who had tried to peel off his skin". But the Chicago Tribune - it and the Chicago Sun-Times being honorable exceptions to the media quiescence I have described - reported that "no such Life issue exists", and an exhaustive search of similar magazines failed to find any article remotely similar to the one Obama had described.

'I opposed this war from the beginning' - . Obama was not in the Senate in 2002 and did not therefore vote for the resolution that authorized the invasion of Iraq. But he has not been the sainted man of peace his supporters portray, either. In his three years in the Senate he has kept his head safely below the parapet, leaving two congressional colleagues - Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin and Representative John Murtha of Pennsylvania - to spearhead opposition to the war on Capitol Hill. In 2006 he voted against a Senate resolution calling for the withdrawal of troops and has also voted to continue funding the war.
   Most recently, he said he would not hesitate to send US troops into Pakistan without Pakistan's permission to hunt down terrorists, and he insists that the US must not "cede our claim of leadership in world affairs". He wants the military to "stay on the offensive, from Djibouti to Kandahar" and to increase defence expenditure. Like most identikit US mainstream politicians, he talks of "rogue nations" and "hostile dictators", and says the US must maintain "a strong nuclear deterrent" and be ready to "seize" the "American moment". He appeared to support Israel's attack on Lebanon, but then said "nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people" - which, in turn, he denied saying.
   He voted to reauthorise the Bush administration's repressive Patriot Act, and says that as president he would not rule out a US first-strike nuclear attack on Iran.

What happened to not running for president until 2012? - He promised solemnly on coast-to-coast live television on NBC in 2006 that he would complete his six-year Senate term and definitely not run for the presidency.

My babies Daddy - His eccentric white American mother met his Kenyan father when both were students at the University of Hawaii, but like so many male politicians - Bill Clinton, for one - his father, an alcoholic who ended up fathering several families before being killed in a car accident in Kenya in 1982, was literally and figuratively absent from his life. He abandoned Obama and his mother to take up a scholarship at Harvard when the young Barack was a toddler. So much for his Kenyan "relatives".

I'm no elitist! - The young Obama acquired a half-sister when he lived in Jakarta (she is now a Buddhist), but his mother sent him to live permanently with his white grandparents in Honolulu when he was ten. He then began a new, elitist life that even he describes as "a childhood dream": surfing in Hawaii and attending the renowned private Punahou School, founded by Congregationalist missionaries in 1841 and known to local people as a school for the haole (whites). Its annual tuition today costs $15,725.

[quiktaco]

I'm sooo smart - Far from being the brilliant student his image suggests, Obama was a consistently B-grade pupil. He went on to attend Occidental College, a perfectly respectable private liberal arts college in Los Angeles, but hardly an academic powerhouse; its present-day endowment is $377m. He transferred to Columbia University in New York and completed his degree there, and finally graduated with a degree from Harvard Law School at the age of 30. His upwardly mobile ascent had begun, and Obama joined the Chicago law firm of Miner, Barnhill & Galland. He began his professional political career when he stood successfully for the Illinois General Assembly (the state senate) in 1996.

'I won't take money from Lobbyists!' - Part of Obama's contrived sainthood is an undertaking that he will not take funds from lobbyists or political action committees. But, like the Clintons and just about any other American politician, he has assiduously done just that. According to the Washington Post, Hillary Clinton has so far raised $78,615,215 and Obama $78,915,507; Obama's campaign has relied heavily on people such as Kenneth Griffin, a Chicago-based hedge-fund manager who reportedly earned $1.4bn last year.

'Tony Rezko who?' - Obama's close 17-year friendship with Antoin "Tony" Rezko, a long-time Obama donor and property developer awaiting trial on charges of attempted extortion, money laundering and fraud. A low-income housing project received more than $14m from taxpayers while Obama was a state senator, but he consistently denied that he had done any favors for Rezko.
   That was until the Chicago Sun-Times unearthed two letters Obama wrote to state officials in 1998 urging them to grant extra funds for Rezko's project. Democrats and Republicans alike in Chicago, too, are intrigued by the question of why Obama paid $1.65m for a mansion in the city's south side in 2005 - $300,000 less than the asking price - on the very same day Rezko's wife happened to buy the house next door for the asking price. In their tax return for the following year, Obama and his wife, Michelle, who is vice-president of a non-profit hospital organisation, reported taxable income of $983,826 for 2006, down from $1.6m the previous year.

'Healthcare for Everyone!' - A casual observer might assume Obama is proposing a vastly more ambitious health-care plan than Clinton; in fact, the reverse is true.  Clinton's plan was actually more aggressive than that of Obama.

'Jeremiah Wright – not the man I thought he was' – Wright bases his church's doctrine off of the teachings of Dr. James Coon, a Black Liberation Theologist, Marxist, and Racist.
Wright is also a longtime supporter of Nation of Islam's Louis Farrakhan. Last year, the "Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award" was given to Farrakhan, who, it turns out, "truly epitomized greatness."
Farrakhan, in addition to making frequent distasteful comments about race, is a person who referred to Judaism as a "gutter religion" and its adherents a bunch of "bloodsuckers."
Wright even tagged along when Farrakhan visited Libya's dictator Moammar Khadafy — a terrorist financier directly linked to the murder of Americans — for a chitchat in 1980s.
Obama has shown zero inclination to agree with any of Farrakhan or Wright's odious statements. But as Obama's largest recipient of charitable donations, Trinity United Church of Christ is more than a fleeting distraction in the candidate's life. This is not guilt by association. Until a last minute change of heart, Obama's campaign invocation was to be given by Wright.
After bumping Wright, an Obama aide explained: "Senator Obama is proud of his pastor and his church, but because of the type of attention it was receiving on blogs and conservative talk shows, he decided to avoid having statements and beliefs being used out of context and forcing the entire church to defend itself."
If he is proud of his pastor, then asking Obama to clarify his connection to Wright is neither slander nor innuendo — nor is it the right-wing "noise machine" in action.

[quiktaco]

Know your roots - Raila Odinga is a well-known politician in Kenya.  He served in various governmental positions including Prime Minister and was an opposition candidate for president in an election in Kenya in 2007.  He didn't win but claimed that the vote was rigged and the uproar and violence that resulted took hundreds of lives and displaced hundreds of thousands of people.
   In 2006, Odinga hosted Obama for a visit to Kenya and Obama appeared with him and praised Odinga at rallies in Nairobi.

Know who you associate with - While Barack Obama was a State Senator in Illinois, he sat on the nonprofit Woods Fund. This put him in a position to make shady but lucrative quid pro quo arrangements with his former boss Allison Davis and crooked slumlord Tony Rezko.
          Also sitting on the board of the Woods Fund was William Ayers, an Obama fundraiser who is best known as the Weather Underground terrorist who announced in the September 11, 2001 edition of the New York Times that he didn't go far enough in his terrorist activities directed against the United States, which included setting bombs. He lived in hiding for years, but eventually emerged and escaped prosecution on a technicality. Unsurprisingly, he is now a college professor. It was at the home of Ayers and fellow terrorist Bernardine Dohrn that Obama was introduced into the cesspool of Chicago area politics.
          While Obama was on the board, the Woods Fund awarded a $70,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, a local group founded by Rashid and Mona Khalidi. Soon the Khalidis returned the favor, holding a fundraising event for Obama in his home. Rashid Khalidi is a well-known terrorist sympathizer who used to be director of the PLO press agency WAFA. He's a college professor too now.

'I feel we didn't do enough' - William Ayers, at whose home Obama's political career was reportedly launched.  Mr. Ayers was a leader of the Weather Underground, a terrorist group responsible for countless bombings against targets including the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon and numerous police stations, courthouses and banks. In recent years, Mr. Ayers has stated, 'I don't regret setting bombs ... I feel we didn't do enough.'

A hidden identity - a Hawaiian "poet" named Frank Marshall Davis (whose identity Obama tried to hide when referencing him in his book). Davis had some considerable influence on the young Obama when they both lived in Hawaii. Obama himself says as much in his book, referring to his early mentor merely as "Frank." It took some recent digging to confirm that Davis was in fact that influence. Did Obama really think that the very act of hiding the man's true identity would make no one curious?
   Davis has also been identified as a member of the Communist Party. When the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee in 1956 asked him to affirm or deny his membership in the party, he refused to respond, citing the Fifth Amendment. Adding to that is the fact — revealed in the news conference referenced below — that Davis began his communist career in Chicago and was a friend and associate of the singer Paul Robeson and the longshore union official Harry Bridges, both secret Communist Party members.

Give Everyone some money - In Chicago in 1995, Mr. Khalidi and his wife Mona founded the Arab American Action Network (AAAN), a group associated with confrontational statements of support for Palestinians and antagonism toward Israel.  In 2001 and again in 2002, the Woods Fund of Chicago, with directors Ayers and Obama, made grants of $40,000 and $35,000 to the AAAN. Importantly, the AAAN vice-president Ali Abunimah of Electronic Intifada has remembered Mr. Obama's speaking in 1999 against "Israeli occupation" at a charity event for a West Bank refugee camp; and Mr. Abunimah, an American citizen, Hyde Park resident and Princeton graduate, has also recalled Mr. and Mrs. Obama at a fundraiser held for the then-Congressional candidate Obama in 2000 at Rashid and Mona Khalidi's home, where Mr. Obama made convincing statements in support of the Palestinian cause.
   Rashid Khalidi was a paycheck-receiving PLO agent when it was formally named as a terrorist organization.  In Beirut from 1976 to 1982, Mr. Khalidi headed the Palestinian press  agency WAFA, for which his wife Mona Khalidi also worked.  Mr. Khalidi also served Yasser Arafat's PLO at the Madrid conference in 1991.  Mr. and Mrs. Khalidi have yet to comment on their reported political, financial and programmatic association with Mr. Obama in Chicago; as recently as last week neither of the Khalidis would speak on the telephone when asked about Mr. Obama, Mr. Rezko or Mr. Auchi.

[quiktaco]

Keep Your Friends Close.  They may just pay your way through Harvard Law - 
Newsfront
Obama Had Close Ties to Top Saudi Adviser at Early Age
Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:58 PM
By: Kenneth R. Timmerman
New evidence has emerged that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was closely associated as early as age 25 to a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire who had mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers.
In a videotaped interview this year on New York's all news cable channel NY1, a prominent African-American businessman and political figure made the curious disclosures about Obama. (See Video Clip in the original article which is linked at the end)
Percy Sutton, the former borough president of Manhattan, off-handedly revealed the unusual circumstances about his first encounter with the young Obama.
"I was introduced to (Obama) by a friend who was raising money for him," Sutton told NY1 city hall reporter Dominic Carter.
"The friend's name is Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, from Texas," Sutton said. "He is the principal adviser to one of the world's richest men. He told me about Obama."
Sutton, the founder of Inner City Broadcasting, said al-Mansour contacted him to ask a favor: Would Sutton write a letter in support of Obama's application to Harvard Law School?
"He wrote to me about him," Sutton recalled. "And his introduction was there is a young man that has applied to Harvard. I know that you have a few friends up there because you used to go up there to speak. Would you please write a letter in support of him?"
Sutton said he acted on his friend al-Mansour's advice.
"I wrote a letter of support of him to my friends at Harvard, saying to them I thought there was a genius that was going to be available and I certainly hoped they would treat him kindly," Sutton told NY1.
Sutton did not say why al-Mansour was helping Obama, how he discovered him, or from whom he was raising money on Obama's behalf.
A Sutton aide told Newsmax that Sutton, 88, is ailing and is unlikely to do additional TV interviews in the near future. The aide could not provide additional comment for this story.
As it turned out, Obama did attend Harvard Law School after graduating from Columbia University in New York and doing a stint as a community organizer in Chicago.
The New York Times described how transformative his Harvard experience became for the young Obama: "He arrived there as an unknown, Afro-wearing community organizer who had spent years searching for his identity; by the time he left, he had his first national news media exposure, a book contract and a shot of confidence from running the most powerful legal journal in the country."
The details of Obama's academic performance are well known: At Harvard, Obama rose to academic distinction becoming the editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduating magna cum laude.
Less known are the reasons al-Mansour, an activist African-American Muslim, would be a key backer for a young man from Hawaii seeking to attend the most Ivy of the Ivy League law schools.
Khalid al-Mansour a.k.a. Don Warden
In an exclusive interview with Newsmax from his home in San Antonio, Texas, al-Mansour said he would not comment specifically on the statement by Percy Sutton because he was afraid anything he said would get "distorted."
"I was determined I was never going to be in that situation," he said. "Bloggers are saying this is the new Rev. Wright " in drag! " and he is a nationalist, racist, and worse than Rev. Wright. So any statement that I made would only further this activity which is not in the interest of Barack."
But in the lengthy interview, al-Mansour confirmed that he frequently spoke on university campuses, including Columbia, where Percy Sutton suggested he met Obama in the late 1980s, and confirmed his close relationship with Prince Alwaleed.
"I am not surprised to learn about this," said Niger Innis, spokesman of the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE). "It is clear that Barack Obama's ties to the left are familial, generational, and have lasted for several years."
Although many Americans have never heard of Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour (his full name), he is well known within the black community as a lawyer, an orthodox Muslim, a black nationalist, an author, an international deal-maker, an educator, and an outspoken enemy of Israel.
A graduate of Howard University with a law degree from the University of California, al-Mansour sits on numerous corporate boards, including the Saudi African Bank and Chicago-based LaGray Chemical Co. LaGray, which was formed to do business in Africa, counts former Nigerian President General Abdusalam Abubakar on its advisory board.
He also sits on the board of the non-profit African Leadership Academy, along with top McCain for President adviser Carly Fiorina, and organized a tribute to the President of Ghana at the Clinton White House in 1995, along with pop star Michael Jackson.
But his writings and books are packed with anti-American rhetoric reminiscent of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's disgraced former pastor.
In a 1995 book, "The Lost Books of Africa Rediscovered," he alleged that the United States was plotting genocide against black Americans.
The first "genocide against the black man began 300 years ago," he told an audience in Harlem at a book-signing, while a second "genocide" was on the way "to remove 15 million Black people, considered disposable, of no relevance, value or benefit to the American society."
In the 1960s, when he founded the African American Association in the San Francisco Bay area, he was known as Donald Warden.
According to the Social Activism Project at the University of California at Berkley, Warden, a.k.a. Khalid al-Mansour, was the mentor of Black Panther Party founder Huey Newton and his cohort, Bobby Seale.

Newton later had a falling out with Warden, who was described in a 1994 book as "the most articulate spokesperson for black nationalism" at the time.
The falling out wasn"t purely political, according to author Hugh Pearson.
"Sometimes Newton and the other members of (Warden's) security detail got into fights with young whites who didn"t like what Warden had to say about whites. Rather than "throw down" along with the security detail, Warden refused to fight," Pearson wrote in "Shadow of the Panther: Huey Newton and the Price of Black Power in America."
U.S. Rep. Barbara Lee of California entered an official statement of appreciation of Warden and his Black Panther colleagues in the African-American Association in the Congressional Record on April 23, 2007.
"Among the founding members (of the Association) were community leaders such as Khalid Al-Mansour (known then as Don Warden); future Judges Henry Ramsey and Thelton Henderson; future Congressman and Oakland Mayor Ron Dellums, and future Black Panthers Huey Newton and Bobby Seale," the Democratic representative's statement said.
Al-Mansour's more recent videotaped speeches focus on Muslim themes, and abound with anti-Semitic theories and anti-Israel vitriol.
"Today, the Palestinians are being brutalized like savages," he told an audience in South Africa. "If you protest you will go to jail, and you may be killed. And they say they are the only democratic country in the Middle East. ... They are lying on God."
He accused the Jews of "stealing the land the same way the Christians stole the land from the Indians in America."
The Saudi Connection
But al-Mansour's sponsorship of Obama as a prospective Harvard law student is important for another reason beyond his Islamic and anti-American rhetoric and early Black Panther ties.
At the time Percy Sutton, a former lawyer for Malcolm X and a former business partner of al-Mansour, says he was raising money for Obama's graduate school education, al-Mansour was representing top members of the Saudi Royal family seeking to do business and exert influence in the United States.
In 1989, for example " just one year after Obama entered Harvard Law School " The Los Angeles Times revealed that al-Mansour had been advising Saudi billionaires Abdul Aziz and Khalid al-Ibrahim in their secret effort to acquire a major stake in prime oceanfront property in Marina del Rey, Calif., through "an elaborate network of corporate shells in California, the Caribbean and Europe."
At the same time, he was also advising Prince Alwaleed bin Talal in his U.S. investments, and sits on the board of his premier investment vehicle, Kingdom Holdings.
Prince Alwaleed, 53, is the nephew if King Abdallah of Saudi Arabia. Forbes magazine ranked him this year as the 19th richest person on the planet, with a fortune in excess of $23 billion. He owns large chunks of Citigroup and News Corp., the holding company that controls Fox News.
He is best known in the United States for his offer to donate $10 million to help rebuild downtown Manhattan after the 9/11 attacks. But after the prince made a public comment suggesting that U.S. policies had contributed to causing the attacks, Mayor Rudy Giuliani handed back his check.
"I entirely reject that statement," Giuliani said. "There is no moral equivalent for this (terrorist) act. There is no justification for it. The people who did it lost any right to ask for justification for it when they slaughtered 4,000 or 5,000 innocent people."
Since then, Prince Alwaleed's Kingdom Foundation has given millions of dollars to Muslim charities in the United States, including several whose leaders have been indicted on terrorism-related charges in federal courts.
He also has given tens of millions of dollars to Harvard and other major U.S. universities, to establish programs in Islamic studies.
The casual statement by Percy Sutton to NY1 is the first time anyone has hinted at a relationship between Obama and the Saudi royal family.

Although al-Mansour glosses over his ties to the Saudi mega-billionaire in some of his public talks, he has represented the Saudi's interests in the United States, in Britain, and in Africa for more than a quarter century, according to public records.
He told Newsmax that he has personally introduced Prince Alwaleed to "51 of the 53 leaders of Africa," traveling from country to country on the Saudi prince's private jet.
He knows virtually every black leader in America, from the business community, to community activists, to the worlds of politics and entertainment.
When Michael Jackson was on the ropes in the mid-1990s following a series of lawsuits by the parents of children accusing him of sexual abuse, al-Mansour introduced him to Prince Alwaleed, whose Kingdom Entertainment signed a joint venture with Jackson in 1996.
"Jackson and Alwaleed became pals in 1994, when a mutual friend from Alwaleed's college days in California arranged a lunch meeting aboard the prince's yacht in Cannes," Time magazine reported about the new partnership in 1997.
The mutual friend was al-Mansour.
"As a black American, I am exceedingly proud at the American people's response to Barack Obama's candidacy," said CORE's Niger Innis. "But to deny that he has long-standing ties to left-wing elements in our polity is to deny reality. If you want to be president of the United States, it is not racism if you ask these kind of questions, and he has to come up with an answer, hopefully the truth."
Sutton gives no clues as to why al-Mansour would be raising money to help Obama go to law school. Obama has said during his campaign that he paid his way through Harvard with student loans.
For Jesse Lee Peterson, founder of the Los Angeles-based Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND), these latest revelations about Obama's ties to Saudi financiers were an important wake-up call.
"To me, this opened up more questions about Barack Obama and his relationship to the Muslim world," Peterson told Newsmax.
"A lot of people are caught up with the emotional aspect of Barack Obama, the movie star aspect, the false promises that he's going to take care of everyone and their Mama."
But when the full story of Obama's ties to radical preachers such as Wright and to black Muslim leader Louis Farrakhan comes out, Peterson believes that Obama's star power will fade.
"I think there's more to this story and to Barack Obama than we realize," Peterson said. "As all the truth comes out before the election, I don"t think he has a chance. I can"t see American's taking that kind of risk."

[quiktaco]

Shut your mouth before Obama sews your lips shut...while holding YOUR gun to your head –
Earlier this week, the National Rifle Association's Political Victory Fund released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama's longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama's real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment.
They have gone to desperate and outrageous lengths to try to silence your NRA by bullying media outlets with threats of lawsuits if they run NRA-PVF's ads.
   
Other NRA ads include "Way of Life" and another focusing on Joe Biden's record, "Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama."
This week, Obama's campaign general counsel Bob Bauer wrote seeking to censor the ads at stations in Pennsylvania.
"Unlike federal candidates, independent political organizations do not have a 'right to command the use of broadcast facilities,'" Bauer writes. "Moreover, you have a duty 'to protect the public from false, misleading or deceptive advertising.'"
"This advertising is false, misleading, and deceptive," Bauer continued. "We request that you immediately cease airing this advertising."
The NRA says Obama's camp are sending out these "intimidating cease and desist letters" to cable operators and television stations, threatening their FCC licenses if they run the ads.
The NRA charged that "Obama and the DNC have been using strong-arm tactics reminiscent of Chicago machine politics to try and cover up the truth and silence NRA by forcing the stations to assist them in hiding Obama's radical anti-gun record."
And now, Obama and the DNC have opened a new front in their assault on your First Amendment rights by calling on their followers to contact these station managers to demand that the stations not run NRA-PVF's ads.
NRA stands behind the accuracy of these ads, and NRA attorneys have responded to the Obama campaign's despicable and abusive attempt to trample on the First Amendment by sending a thorough rebuttal to station managers. This rebuttal clearly and conclusively refutes the Obama campaign's fallacious claims that the ads are inaccurate.
The NRA has set up a Web site detailing its position on Obama at www.gunbanobama.com.
A copy of the NRA's letter to station, written by its counsel Cleta Mitchell,
http://argugonian.blogster.com/write-your-title-here_290908151146
About half way down.

They're supposed to cry before they die - Newly obtained documents prove that in 2003, Barack Obama, as chairman of an IL state Senate committee, voted down a bill to protect live-born survivors of abortion - even after the panel had amended the bill to contain verbatim language, copied from a federal bill passed by Congress without objection in 2002, explicitly foreclosing any impact on abortion. Obama's legislative actions in 2003 - denying effective protection even to babies born alive during abortions - were contrary to the position taken on the same language by even the most liberal members of Congress. The bill Obama killed was virtually identical to the federal bill that even NARAL ultimately did not oppose.

Shhh...this is against the law, but I want the credit - While campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.
According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.
Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America. The reason? He fears that the perception of US victory there might revive the Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptive" war - that is, removing a threat before it strikes at America.
Despite some usual equivocations on the subject, Obama rejects pre-emption as a legitimate form of self -defense. To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years.

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"Obama speaks in slogans and never explains the thinking that goes into his statements. That's what we need to know: To what extent do these people influence him — the communist Frank Davis, the neo-communists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, the anti-Semitic pro-Arab terrorist groups that he met with in Chicago. To what extent do they influence his thinking, and will he repudiate those people?"

[trumpetguy]

Nice cut and paste job, QT.  Now you're officially a member of the Right-Wing Echo Chamber.  You must be so proud...

But you had better get used to calling him President Obama.

[yamahonkawazuki]

Nice cut and paste job, QT.  Now you're officially a member of the Right-Wing Echo Chamber.  You must be so proud...

But you had better get used to calling him President Obama.

TG as i would expect, a liberal reply. But one could "accuse" you of being a part of the left wing echo chamber as well. and i sure as hell wont be calling him president obama, if he gets in, hell have to convince alot of people hes worthy of the job. as will Mccain. TG lemme ask you this, what specifically do YOU dispute to what hes posted? and why, HB i thought it was a pretty good read. you wont read any of these things. nor really any thing which can be construed as anti obama, in the liberal ( predominantly) media, what do you specifically dispute and why?, the floor is yours ( i look forward to your reply eagerly. ( im NOT being sarcastic either )

[trumpetguy]

I'm not going to take my time to refute point by point a cut and paste job from RW smear sites.  All that "information" is available word for word on any number of RW sites already.  There is not one bit of original commentary by QT in there.  Google any phrase and you'll find it.

I will argue with you about the media being liberal.  All the networks are owned by LARGE corporations, not exactly known for being liberal.  CNN has Glenn Beck on Headline News and Lou Dobbs on CNN itself during primetime.  Liberal guys? Hardly.

The media was much more questioning of Obama than McCain for the first half of the campaign.  Now that McCain has made his bed with sleazy campaign ads full of half-truths and distortions, the media has finally woken up to the fact that McCain is no "maverick."  And Palin is not qualified to be Vice-President, much less (heaven forbid) President.

It was big news when (a MONTH after being nominated) Palin appeared before the press for the first time.  She has done herself no favors with her lack of understanding of common issues.  And who criticized her for not appearing before the press?  Not the media -- at least for the first three weeks.

I do read legitimate criticisms of Obama and I don't agree with everything he says or does.  However, the choice is between Obama and McCain.  I'm casting my vote against McCain/Palin based on REAL issues.

[Cal76]

My point is still the same as it was in my first post on this thread.  Dirt can be dug up on anyone.  Stories can be spun to suit the purpose of whom ever is telling the story.  Which is why I really try not to put too much of my limited time nor trust into either side of it.  I prefer to rely on actual cantidate interviews instead of someone with an obvious agenda in either direction.  I happen to be a long term democrat, but if I honestly thought McCain would do a better job. I'd vote for him.  The fact is that I truely believe Obama will do the best job.  Will he be perfect, I doubt it.  Do I totally agree with him, no way.  I do, however, believe he will do the best at the jobs in which I think is important. 

I live in west virginia at this moment and the aera is usually very democratic.  However, the predominantly white towns freak out if you mention gun control.  No politician is going to be successful in attempting to ban guns completely in the US.  Around the world in places like Australia the gun ban actually increased crime rate.  What most politicians for gun control want to do is create laws to control guns, hence the name.  They want to keep automatic guns off of the streets.  They want to keep hand guns out of public schools. 

The only issues that I care about at this moment are the economy and getting out of Iraq.  In both issues, I have Obama being the better choice and neither has a thing to do with what religion he is, whether he is pro coice, pro gun control, who his preacher is, how he paid for law school, or any of the other nonsense that is suppose to make me see the light. What is relevant is that he is old.  He is old and she is only a nice smile and a public relations expert away from being retarded.       

[yamahonkawazuki]

Hell TG even teh vepp debate moderator COULD be accused of being an obama supporter. and why is it. most of the media is mostly obama stories, and few mccain, why is it. NYtimes can get a large article on obama, but mccain could not. why err what about hell even moveon.org, i might as well call them media, shoot. theyre quoted more often by liberals as being fact, when in some cases that could be doubted. and speaking of large corporations, hell fannie mae, and freddie macs former/ and last ceo's are on obamas team, in high positions. and both of those two had a hand in the companies downfalls. also gave LARGE sums of money to obama, Meh is it me, or is politics this election cycle f%&ked up lol. ill be glad when its over. and leaving country if obama gets in. sorry TG i know you love him  ( said in jest) but im sorry i know nothing about him. not enough to trust. there is NO information about him out there. hell is "associations?' i htink tey are relevant. whereas mccains could be as well. but not the children of VP candidates though. NOT obamas children. i think kids are off limits , anyhoo, im going to sit back with pop corn, and french vodka, and watch teh flame war develop and get blamed on george bush, 

[yamahonkawazuki]

WTF? i konw im not doin drugs, but WHAT THE f%$k is THIS?!?   http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoYYzB32Iw 

[yamahonkawazuki]

I'm not going to take my time to refute point by point a cut and paste job from RW smear sites.  All that "information" is available word for word on any number of RW sites already.  There is not one bit of original commentary by QT in there.  Google any phrase and you'll find it.

fine, since you refuste to refute all of em, humour us, andpick say two. adn explain why they are wrong, eithr in your opinion or via link., ( see im beign generous today. normally i ask for neutral links)

[Cal76]

I found several articles talking about McCain "blowing goats"  Now, I am sure this means something different, but if I was to cut and paste the phrase I found that said "McCain to appologize for blowing goats" some may begin to wonder about this secret affair with the goat.  ... And this was the very first funny phrase I goolgled.

  Question Everything or Believed Anything!! - Einstein

[trumpetguy]

I'm not going to take my time to refute point by point a cut and paste job from RW smear sites.  All that "information" is available word for word on any number of RW sites already.  There is not one bit of original commentary by QT in there.  Google any phrase and you'll find it.

fine, since you refuste to refute all of em, humour us, andpick say two. adn explain why they are wrong, eithr in your opinion or via link., ( see im beign generous today. normally i ask for neutral links)

It's a waste of time.  Most of these things have NOTHING to do with being President.

Obama opposes the folly in Iraq.  That alone ALMOST gets my vote.
He opposes the American Taliban (those who favor a theocracy) and supports the constitutional separation of church and state.  I'm all for that position, too.
He supports reinstating fair taxes on wealthy people (pre-Bush income tax levels).  I'm for that.
He supports the right of women to choose abortion in limited circumstances.  I support that choice as well, along with a majority of Americans.

These are all positions in which Obama is in direct opposition to McCain, and which have bearing on the American quality of life and freedom.  The rest is distraction, brought to you by Fox News and so many others.