Who are you voting for, for President?

[jserio]

 

[bettingpython]

Sure you can NFA full auto...where you been thought I had discusssed this already jserio.

It'll depend on your state as well, Oklahoma only requres meeting the federal guidelnes.

You can also have SBR's, SBS's, supressors, grenade launchers etc. and those are not limited by manufacture date. As long as you can afford the tax and the toy.

Yeah the manufacture date is the hughes ammendment which was snuck into the firearms owners prtection act at the last minute without a legal vote on ammending the act before it was signed. The FOPA did alot of good for gun owners but that stupid ammendment sucks.

[jserio]

i just figured the govenrment frownd upon the ownerhip of a large number of firearms. i may be mistaken however. 

[yamahonkawazuki]

yeah ive owned ( legally) full auto firearms. but its QUITE a bit more involved than a simple andgun. Those are registered. whereas, teh handguns are not. granted the serial number is entered into the yellow form one HAS to use. BUT and checked against  federal  database, to see if gun is stolen and to see if purchaser can purchase. the auto aroms however are quite a bit more involved than that. a more thorough investigation is required. the same with silencers. which are fun to have  ( in a legal sense) the look on peoples faces when you attach one, theyre like DAMN WTF? 

[frankieG]

the rants and posts are just too long and too "out there"  to warrant prolonged reading.  it would seem as if it is just posting for the sake of posting and trying to get a moot point(s) across.  the election is over. the people overwhelmingly voted NO to bush, NO to Cheney, NO to republican, NO to the right wing NO to lies, NO to Iraq NO to making the rich richer NO to corruption  NO to letting nutters have firearms that only police(in certain circumstances) or the military should carry.   NO to the patriot act NO to having a generation of young ravaged by war.  like that movie "i am mad as hell and i am not going to take it anymore"  Obama will be a 2 term president and he is going to reinstate our pride, our beliefs of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  i have never been more proud to be American than i am now.

[A Non eMouse]

I don't know how I missed this the first time around...  Fox news does Sarah Palin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIjXtDdzbJg


Sheesh!  Did anyone like her?

[97gs500e]

Fox news does Sarah Palin


Sheesh!  Did anyone like her?

I'd drill her wetlands 

[bettingpython]

Obama won't make 2 terms, you got what you wanted the question will be in the end do you really want what you got.

http://www.change.gov

[jserio]

just for the sake of argument, what contingency plan do we have if something happened to obama? (he slips on the ice outside his home and breaks his neck, he chokes on his dinner) etc. i'm not trying to say something bad will happen to him. i don't really wish harm on anyone. (well, a very select few). i'm just curious as to what we would do then? has this ever happened before?

[cafeboy]

The VP will take over

[jserio]

no, i'm talking about if something happens before he officially takes office.

[cafeboy]

 I would still think his VP would step up.

[bettingpython]

I would still think his VP would step up.

Yes

VP elect becomes POTUS elect.

Before you @$$hole radicals think of trying to whack him remeber this, as bad as he is we get a blathering idiot named Joe Biden as president then......

In all seriousness game this out for a second assaination of Obama would be bad. Nation wide riots conspiracy therories that never go away and declartions of marshall law and suspension of constutional rights,  of course he would become a Martyr then nobody would ever shut up about him.

And you'd really piss me off because I am just dying for the opputunity to be a white guy that can legitimately use the term the mans keeping me down now that the shoe is on the other foot

Look I disagree with him on many things but he's got some bright people whispering in his ear about trade policies and finance that if he can make good on what he says will help, some if it sounds down right fiscal conservative. He's just to radical on freedoms and individual rights and the expansion of government assitance in ways I can not agree with.

I hope he does a good job as our president. And the rest of you should hope so as well because if he fucks up we will see reoccurences of massive embassy bombings abroad, hostage taking of US citizens on a large scale and act's of terorism on US soil.

I hope when he really gets full access he can set his arrogance aside and realize he really does have to cross that aisle from time to time, a friend of mine is a retired colonel who has had 5 combat commands and prepared presidential security briefings, he says it changed Clinton. Obama's fixing to be saddled with a weight we can't imagine sitting in our chairs

[A Non eMouse]

It seems like he will cross the isle.  When Clinton and Bush were campaigning, they both sorta BSed about bipartisanship, but didn't talk about it like it was a real plan.  When Bush took office, he said he was the president of the people that voted for him, not his opponent.  The extremist Bush supporters then set out to create a larger and larger divide in our country between "Evil Liberals" and "Real Americans."  That's the same sort of talk that was coming out of the McCain camp, although not from McCain himself.

I've heard very little from Obama or his camp about how evil one side is.  In his acceptance speech, he said that he's EVERYONE'S president.  If he's not totally full of sh!t, then we might have a chance to all stand together and fix the country.  But, it will only work if everyone actually wants to stand together.

We can't afford to be conservative with a lot of things right now.  Conservative meaning, "disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change."  But, we need to be conservative, meaning "cautiously moderate; avoiding novelty or showiness."  We also have to be liberal to survive.  Liberal meaning, "favorable to progress or reform; free from prejudice or bigotry; open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.; characterized by generosity and willingness to give"

The only people that aren't "Real Americans" are the people that seek to divide us and distract us from what we should really be focusing on; helping each other, fixing our country, and healing our land so we can make out the other side of the many messes we've gotten ourselves into.

[yamahonkawazuki]

the rants and posts are just too long and too "out there"  to warrant prolonged reading.  it would seem as if it is just posting for the sake of posting and trying to get a moot point(s) across.  the election is over. the people overwhelmingly voted NO to bush, NO to Cheney, NO to republican, NO to the right wing NO to lies, NO to Iraq NO to making the rich richer NO to corruption  NO to letting nutters have firearms that only police(in certain circumstances) or the military should carry.   NO to the patriot act NO to having a generation of young ravaged by war.  like that movie "i am mad as hell and i am not going to take it anymore"  Obama will be a 2 term president and he is going to reinstate our pride, our beliefs of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  i have never been more proud to be American than i am now.

yeah, and well see what undoing all of the  acts in place will accomplish. , you remember what lack of action got us Eh?

[bettingpython]

En mouse the problem is we haven't had a conservative president the last 8 years, that seems to be where people got confused. Conservatism doesn't mean not changing it's a practical set of ideals. Obama's chnage isn't any different than what other presidents have tried. Just more sheeple fall for it every year. Like him or dislike him I'm stuck with him. 

[yamahonkawazuki]

En mouse the problem is we haven't had a conservative president the last 8 years, that seems to be where people got confused. Conservatism doesn't mean not changing it's a practical set of ideals. Obama's chnage isn't any different than what other presidents have tried. Just more sheeple fall for it every year. Like him or dislike him I'm stuck with him. 

yup got him for 4 ( minimum)

[quiktaco]

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Thanks for the info.  A friend of mine has a Taurus that he seems to love.  I'll have to look into both of these and see which will be best.


And to comment on...whatever...(gone camping for the last week or so)

En mouse the problem is we haven't had a conservative president the last 8 years, that seems to be where people got confused. Conservatism doesn't mean not changing it's a practical set of ideals. Obama's chnage isn't any different than what other presidents have tried. Just more sheeple fall for it every year. Like him or dislike him I'm stuck with him.

That is for sure.  Everyone kept complaining about Bush and how his 'Conservatism' was so bad.  The thing is, he wasn't conservative.  He was mostly moderate, with too many Socialistic views (which really came out toward the end).  He had some Conservative views as well, but none of those things were why he was a bad president.  It was all the Socialistic things that made him bad.  So now, everyone is not wanting a 'Bush' presidency anymore, but the thing is, Obama is closer to Bush than McCain is.

Answer me this.  Between Obama and McCain, who is going to have the government buy large privatized industries, and make them government run and owned, like Bush did, and is doing...(look for the American auto industry to be given money soon).  That's right, it's Obama.  Obama would buy every company in the US and make it government owned and run.  That's his perfect world.

So anyways, 4 years.  What a time in history.  Just remember...none of the lawsuits have come to pass, so he still may not be elegible....just sayin'.

[jserio]

i think we need a nice balance of all of the above honestly. some of the programs we have in this country are socialistic but they are good programs to have. (unemployment etc).  hopefully obama choses his advisors better than bush did. i don't think that any one presidency can fix the problems we are facing. they will take time and a joint effort by all. including congress. many talk about the approval rating of bush, and most forget that our congress is mostly dems and bush is repub. with that type of balance, although it sounds good in theory, nothing gets done. they all just fight and squabble long party lines. i'm sure after his term obama will be seen as a better president than bush was but obama isn't going to have to fight party lines anywhere near as much. whether this will be for our good or bad remains to be seen as he is not in office yet. i do doubt that he can make things much worse than they are. but only time will tell i suppose.

[quiktaco]

i think we need a nice balance of all of the above honestly. some of the programs we have in this country are socialistic but they are good programs to have. (unemployment etc).  hopefully obama choses his advisors better than bush did. i don't think that any one presidency can fix the problems we are facing. they will take time and a joint effort by all. including congress. many talk about the approval rating of bush, and most forget that our congress is mostly dems and bush is repub. with that type of balance, although it sounds good in theory, nothing gets done. they all just fight and squabble long party lines. i'm sure after his term obama will be seen as a better president than bush was but obama isn't going to have to fight party lines anywhere near as much. whether this will be for our good or bad remains to be seen as he is not in office yet. i do doubt that he can make things much worse than they are. but only time will tell i suppose.

I agree.  I do, however, believe that they can make things much worse.  Bush started it off with Fannie and Freddie.  The first Great Depression was caused to be worse (overall) and for longer, because the government intervened.  It would have been really bad, but for a short period of time, instead of almost really bad for a long period of time...which makes it worse overall.  Bush intervened, and Obama will to a much greater extent.  This will maybe help, ever so slightly now, but it will cause it to drag out and make it worse overall, than if they hadn't done anything.  But this is what the people want, cause no one thinks that history repeats itself.  At least people will hopefully see that the far left is not where the country needs to be...not that the far right is either.  However, the pendulum will probably swing to the right after this first term of Obama.

I'm kinda looking forward to see Obama's 90% (I'm guessing) approval rating decrease steadily over his 4 year term.  I bet he's going to be close to Bush's rating by the end of it.