Who are you voting for, for President?

[quiktaco]

Yeah, really!

Need more votes on this poll, since only one person voted that they didn't regret it.

[jserio]

why do you say that there is not a need to vote anymore? maybe more people just haven't seen it yet. 

[quiktaco]

No, I didn't mean that...don't know where I said that, but no, I didn't mean that if I did say that somewhere.

I said that we need more people for this poll.  I'd really like to know if anyone does regret it and why, and also for those who do not regret it, why?

[jserio]

hmm...my bad. i think i misread your post when i posted mine. sorry bout that dude. 

[bill14224]

It's been a few months so I thought I'd revive this thread.  Anyone still think Obama's not a Marxist?  Anyone?  Don't tell me the differences between Marxism and fascism.  They're both bad and have a lot in common.

GM, for instance, will never be a private company again.  Obama's hand-picked C.E.O. who by his own admission knows nothing about the car business, which should make any moderately intelligent and curious individual wonder why he was picked in the first place, has already quit.  GM will flounder and lose money until the government owns the whole thing.  Obama's fascist takeover of GM is merely an intermediate step toward his Marxist ends.

Look at Obama's cabinet.  Nothing but Marxists, many of whom cheat on their taxes or don't even file.  This is the most corrupt administration we've ever had, bar none.  It makes the Clinton and Bush administrations look moderate by comparison, and I didn't like them either because they were only killing us slowly.

[tt_four]

From what I remember, the car companies came to the government begging for help, and were about to collapse as it were. Why should they deserve to be a public company after they got that much money from the government? Sounds like a business transaction to me. Most corrupt administration we've ever had though? I think that's pushing it a bit. Even if they do some questionable stuff, which is unofficially the definition of being a politician, I feel that starting a war and bankrupting your country just so your friends can get even richer is a bit sleazier than not filing taxes and taking over a failing car company.

I can't even begin to imagine the kind of screwed up things McCain would've been trying to get away with by this point in time. I'm not defending Obama, I voted for him, would still say I don't regret it, but that's because as much of a hero as he seemed like, I know he's a politician and I never expect and positive out of a politician, but I definitely think there are worse. 

[BaltimoreGS]

The best thing we could have done was let the car companies fail.  My 2 cents...

-Jessie-  Ron Paul supporter, McCain detractor

[tt_four]

The best thing we could have done was let the car companies fail.  My 2 cents...

Haha, I kinda had my hopes up too. I feel like this administration's biggest mistake in the past year was letting Buell fall through.

[yamahonkawazuki]

his unofficial motto well teh first line "weve only just begun"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__VQX2Xn7tI

[bill14224]

TT, letting GM die would have been best for all.  The company would have been sold-off to other companies who would use some plants and liquidate others.  Car making would continue, with minimum financial disruption for the nation at large.  Bailing-out the company or having the government take it over only prolongs the agony and pours good money after bad.  Under-performing companies need to die for the good of all.  It amazes me how most of us don't seem to look at business that way anymore.  Most business fail at some point.  It's not a national tragedy, it's normal.  The government didn't bail-out Bethlehem Steel, or Carborundum, or Westinghouse, or any of the other heavy industries that left my town when I was a boy.  Now all of a sudden the government must take action or the world will stop spinning.  Hmmm....

You may ask "Why is Ford in better shape than GM?"  Good question.  Ford isn't broke because Ford didn't allow themselves to wind-up with a pension system they can't afford like GM did.  GM has more pensioners than workers for crissakes!  They are better managed than GM.  Now the worst managers in human history, our federal government, has stepped-in to save it.  That's why I know GM is doomed!

Read the quote on my footer.  It says it all!

You may also ask "What about GM pensioners?  If GM went under their pensions would end."  Yes, they would, but it would be far cheaper for the government to pay their pensions than take-over a poorly managed huge company then run it even worse, pouring countless billions into a black hole.  Paying their pensions would cost a fraction of what we're paying now, not that I'm advocating taxpayer bailouts, but it's a much better option than what Obama's doing now.  But he doesn't care about results, HE WANTS CONTROL.

Oh, and about starting wars to make your friends rich.  That's a popular thing people say, but I don't think that's it at all.  There is only one thriving republic in the Middle East, Israel.  Bush believed a thriving muslim country that is a republic, smack-dab in the center of the Middle East, would go a long way to stabilize the region.  That's the real reason, but I guess the administration didn't think the people would go for it, so they tried to tie it to terrorism, which is half true and half bullshiite to get us to go along.  I would have gone along with it either way.  I'm sick to death of reading about all the strife in the Middle East.  I would love to take-out every tyrant dictator on Earth.  I'm sick of every goddamn one of them.

[BaltimoreGS]

You know I've never liked Ford vehicles but the fact that they didn't take government money would now make me consider buying one.

-Jessie

[yamahonkawazuki]

AND usually bankruptcy VOIDS contracts ( UAW?)

[spc]

You know I've never liked Ford vehicles but the fact that they didn't take government money would now make me consider buying one.

-Jessie

I'm in the same boat.  If I were going to buy an American car it would, without a doubt, be a Ford for that reason alone.

[bill14224]

You know I've never liked Ford vehicles but the fact that they didn't take government money would now make me consider buying one.

-Jessie

I'm in the same boat.  If I were going to buy an American car it would, without a doubt, be a Ford for that reason alone.

Agreed.  I will also buy Fords from now on.  Not just because they wouldn't take bailout money but they make terrific cars these days!

And, yes, Yamahonkawazuki, Obama chose to waste billions of taxpayer dollars so he can control a major corporation and preserve his UAW support rather than do the right thing, which is to let GM die a natural death.

Actually, GM worldwide wouldn't have died.  GM is making good money overseas, just not here.  For some strange cultural reason Chinese businessmen can't get enough Buicks!

[spc]

Don't get me wrong, I don't plan on buying a Ford.  All of the American companies have gone to crap, just Ford much less so.
I'm quite happy with British and one day an Italian.

[yamahonkawazuki]

Don't get me wrong, I don't plan on buying a Ford.  All of the American companies have gone to crap, just Ford much less so.
I'm quite happy with British and one day an Italian.

ohhhhh i like me a good british car. jus not teh crown vic based jags though

[BaltimoreGS]

Don't get me wrong, I don't plan on buying a Ford.  All of the American companies have gone to crap, just Ford much less so.
I'm quite happy with British and one day an Italian.

After working on Toyotas for 5 years I can tell you that their quality has really gone down so it is not just the American cars.  Their latest V6 engine is a ticking time bomb (VVT-i controllers suffer catastrophic failures).

-Jessie

[yamahonkawazuki]

Don't get me wrong, I don't plan on buying a Ford.  All of the American companies have gone to crap, just Ford much less so.
I'm quite happy with British and one day an Italian.

After working on Toyotas for 5 years I can tell you that their quality has really gone down so it is not just the American cars.  Their latest V6 engine is a ticking time bomb (VVT-i controllers suffer catastrophic failures).

-Jessie

yup. tell that to teh " import" fanboys though

[bill14224]

Don't get me wrong, I don't plan on buying a Ford.  All of the American companies have gone to crap, just Ford much less so.
I'm quite happy with British and one day an Italian.

After working on Toyotas for 5 years I can tell you that their quality has really gone down so it is not just the American cars.  Their latest V6 engine is a ticking time bomb (VVT-i controllers suffer catastrophic failures).

-Jessie

HERETIC!  Repent or be stoned!  Japanese cars never break, don't you know that?

[yamahonkawazuki]

Don't get me wrong, I don't plan on buying a Ford.  All of the American companies have gone to crap, just Ford much less so.
I'm quite happy with British and one day an Italian.

After working on Toyotas for 5 years I can tell you that their quality has really gone down so it is not just the American cars.  Their latest V6 engine is a ticking time bomb (VVT-i controllers suffer catastrophic failures).

-Jessie

HERETIC!  Repent or be stoned!  Japanese cars never break, don't you know that?

Sooooooooooo how you getting him stoned?? herb or???