Is the immigration system broken ?

[yamahonkawazuki]

Simple fix. a fence. ( with doors) the order has been in for a VERY long while to build said fence, but its nowhere near completion. the reason i say doors, is let people in, but only those who have followed proper channels to get here, such as you frankie, or god forbid even the buddha  jk, back around teh turn of the century, everyone came here, and everyone learned english, and everyone busted tehir ass to make  it work., as far as teh few million illegals which are here, ( aliens, not immigrants), give them a chance to become legal 

The Berlin wall had doors, too.  They let people in, too.  We don't need a wall.  We need reasonable policies and enforcement of existing laws.  We very often deport illegal workers but rarely throw their employers in jail.  Why not?  That would stop the employment of illegals by large companies very quickly.  As it is, the corporations get a fine or a slap on the hand.

Government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations.  It's the American way.

well, no one, on either side of the proverbial aisle, has shown much willingness to take this on. ever since the "guest worker" proggy years back, its been slowly spiraling out of control. where nowadays, a health plan i was on a few years back, until budget cuts forced most , ( sorry to sound racist) white males out. but kep minorities, adn females in, anyhoo, the instructions for forms were in every language from english to farsi to everythign inbetween

[Big Lou]

Simple fix. a fence. ( with doors) the order has been in for a VERY long while to build said fence, but its nowhere near completion. the reason i say doors, is let people in, but only those who have followed proper channels to get here, such as you frankie, or god forbid even the buddha  jk, back around teh turn of the century, everyone came here, and everyone learned english, and everyone busted tehir ass to make  it work., as far as teh few million illegals which are here, ( aliens, not immigrants), give them a chance to become legal 

a fence without protection is not a fence, it's a bit of scrap metal to climb over.  If you build a fence, wall, etc, it has to be manned.  Millions of our deflated dollars will go to UAV's for recon, large and small caliber weapons, vehicles, and manpower.  FYI, border patrol does not have the experience or know how to operate most of these item, which leaves you with two choices: A- Spend the money to train Border patrol, or B spend the money to bring in NG, which will also cause conflict between the federal government and the border states.  I guess you could also bring in Active duty soldiers, but believe me when I tell you, we have enough on our plates already (as do NG and reservists).  We have already started using UAV's to recon our borders, at huge $ costs per mission.  What I believe needs to happen is our diplomacy needs to get on Par with Mexico in convincing the Mexican government into implementing programs that will entice mexican (or any other country) nationals into staying home.  If people do not want to stay where they are, no fence or wall or body of water can make them.  Persecution and poverty have a way of motivating people to leave.  Sorry if I repeated anyone else's points, I didn't make it all the way through the thread

[yamahonkawazuki]

a 2 stage wall, wiht a space between it, will make it damn near climb proof, 8 or 10 feet tall. easy cost fix,lol ( in jest) give every illegal, a brick when they are deported, and they place it on the wall. but nofix iswithout cost. eploymentlaws would work. IF THEY WERE ENFORCED. whereas tehy are not

[The Buddha]

Mexico has one of the worst freaking immigration policies in the world. Try going there and working. Worse than china.
Anyway, forget fence, electronic enforcement. No automatic citizen ship for anchor babies. Deport and charge mexican govt for it and collect on it. Dont freaking care if you have immigration and your sister is illegal, you should ahve thought of that before getting your butt here illegally to begin with, many many people from other countries are living wihtout their sister ... in a way it helps us live and die at work.
We cannot hand out immigration to illegals because they do jobs other americans wont. So what happens when they join the "other americans" ... we need more illegals.
And best of all, the first time any of them uses public service - calling fireman, or an ER, they get a bill for the full street value of the service. Heck, I'd charge them for schooling too. Stop rewarding abuse and breaking the law.
Cool.
Buddha.