Water to gas conversion????? HHO

[souljeroflight]

So i have heard about this now for a couple months and  finally i guy i work with has a setup on his nissan truck. said he has gone from 22 MPG to about 44 MPG!!!! So finally i found someone I KNOW that has done it and thats enough for me to believe to try it my self.  I found an awesome free website with tons of safety and detailed Videos of manufacturing a good producing Hydrogen generator.  if anyone els is thinking of this or has done it let me know your thoughts. i will take pictures too and post as i go

[The Buddha]

OK need to see links and if it has free plans I may try it, prolly on a bike first ... HHO though is just jargon, H and OH are what it can first be split to, and H will quickly become H2 and can be shoved into the motor though in very little quantity. May do something though once in there ...
Cool.
Buddha.

[souljeroflight]

Okay here is the link

http://hhohuntsville.com/

I havent put anything together yet but after i posted this i went to the last discussion here about this ......the one about edison etc. etc. anyways check out the site and tell me what you think..... im gonna try it.

[ohgood]

complete crap. look up how much energy (electricity) it takes to smash apart water into Hydrogen and Oxygen. now where does that energy come from ?

ok, now how much energy can be seperated from a gallon of gas, which weighs about 6 pounds per gallon ?

whatever. go spend a few hundred dollars on a kit or build it yourself. you'll get better results just combining trips, car pooling, and driving sensibly.

pfffffft

[PuddleJumper]

Well, It doesn't take that much electricity to split water into Hydrogen and Oxygen.

1.24 volts. any more and all you do is heat the water. The amperage required is well within the capabilities of a cars electrical system.

The Problem is the low volume of gas that you can make.

All you are doing is co-fueling the Hydrogen/oxygen mix in with the air/fuel mixture in your engine.

for some interesting reading, look up co-fueling. The are many different types being tested. One of them happens to be the Hydrogen/oxygen split from water method.

I've tried it on my 2006 ford Ranger with mixed results. At first I get an increase, then it drops as the ECU changes settings.

My father in law has an older truck and with a modification to the MAP sensor, he gets more consistent results.

My opinion? I'm not sure yet. It does work on some cars and not others.

I'm going to do my bike next. No computer to fool with. 

BeSafe
PJ

[yamahonkawazuki]

ill wait until things are improved/stabilised. BW anyone know if race fuel ( 110 octane leaded) will harm a gs?, ive got 15 gallons of it. sitting here , sorry bout the threadjack

[The Buddha]

Puddle jumper ... that ECU part was why I wanted to do my bike first.
Then maybe my nissan. Simpler ecu.
Cool.
Buddha.

[souljeroflight]

so my wife has an 84 caddi but its pretty advanced for its time. im wondering now how much her ecu will affect the improvement

[darb85]

inject it after the MAF the ECU shouldnt make a diffence should it?  unless its true fuel injection, Throttle bodied cars will have more sucess i would imagine.

[bombadillo]

I'd think that the race fuel will just make it run really crappy unless you have a way pumped motor with pistons or decked heads or something done to up the compression some.  Just get some really hot spark plugs when you do run it.

[PuddleJumper]

From what I've seen between my truck and my father in laws is that anything with an OBD II will not work to well. I think that's 1996 and newer. OBD I or carbs will be the easiest.

My personal opinion is that with the mods that people are doing, all that is happening is that the engines are being leaned out. But evidently they can be lean out quite a bit without overheating because of the Hydrogen/oxygen mix, and I suspect quite a bit of water vapor also.

Just my opinion and no way to prove it.

BeSAfe
PJ

[Cal Price]

There is a guy up in the Orkney or Shedland Islands who is using a wind generator to process tap water and running a small car on the hydrogen, a few drips of water from the exhaust is the only emmision involved.
Hydrogen is probably the final answer to our energy needs, there is masses of all around us just waiting to be released.

[darb85]

if we can find an  easy way and clean way to produce it

[The Buddha]

What we are doing is ... making a head first run out of gasoline.
In a few years we'd have a 100 different technologies ... and I thing we'll see people with hydrogen cars make it to a gas station on fumes ... only to find that they sell gasoline, electricity (the rapid charge version 10 mins for 400 miles worth) compressed air (yea India has got one of these cars going) and bio diesel (for the trucks, ya know) and no hydrogen, and the gas station attendant will be apologising and saying they are converting 1/2 their gasoline tanks to hydrogen next month and sending them to the nearest hydrogen station.
I plan on having a gas/diesel/nuclear GS500. The nuclear fuel I plan to make ... 
Out of a 12 inch long 1 inch dia rod it will run 15,000 miles.
Cool.
Buddha.

[makenzie71]

I've looked into the co-fuel hydrogen gadgetry and it bugs me for a couple reasons:

First, it leans out your fuel mix.
Second, it won't work on an OBDII/III car.
Third, you still have to buy gas.
Fourth, you're using your elctrical system which, on a car and a bike, is metered and only capable of doing so much.
Fifth, it doesn't really help the environment.

People who are really gung ho about saving the environment or saving on fuel are buying old diesels, having the xhausts routed around the fuel tanks to serve as a heater, and running them on used fry grease.  100% eco-friendly.

[The Buddha]

It doesn't lean the fuel mix, it introduces hydrogen, which will suck the oxygen out of the mix ... then when it becomes water vapor it actually can extract more heat off everythign it touches ... and gets out ... sorta like exhaust gas recirculation, but better and cooler on the motor.
It may cause some corrosion issues though ... stainless everything is the answer ... then again, you can shove it into a car that wasn't made that way ... so you have to have a car built for it. Sorta like Rolls royce's water injection ... but a bit better.
Cool.
Buddha.

[PuddleJumper]

There's a french company that has come out with a compressed air car. It's pretty cool.

When you get home, you plug it in and an electric motor spins the engine to compress the air. It has an 80 mile range or so. If I remember right, it could do around 65 or 70 miles per hour.

Quick charge electrics will eventually get here. If they would come out with a small generator pack, you could then go cross country like a Locomotive. Think small motorcycle engine turning a generator getting 100 mile per gal.

Buddha, it's funny you mentioned nuclear. An ultra long range electric pack already exists.
Some satellites use a small piece of radio active material surrounded by thermoelectric semiconductors to produce electricity. I can't remember what material it is. But there is one that a 2 inch cube would produce 63 kilowatts of power for about 80 years.

It only needed 5 millimeters of lead to stop any leakage of radioactivity around it.

Radio active power packs would work, but would also open of a can of worms that might not be good.

BeSafe
PJ