some advise please

dlighthill · September 08, 2008, 06:56:30 AM

i was changing my chain and sprockets, both front and rear, yesterday and now my bike won't start. it doesn't even click like it's trying. the lights work and i had it on the charger to make sure it wasn't the battery. i'm wondering if something came loose? when i removed the front cover to do the front sprocket it was filled with grease and o-rings, so i made sure to clean it out very well (i've never seen a chain throw all it's o-rings before).
suggestions would be helpful.....thanks

Affschnozel · September 08, 2008, 07:00:36 AM

Check that it's not in gear,side stand up and the 10A starter relay fuse is good....

dlighthill · September 08, 2008, 07:08:56 AM

didn't seem like it was in gear - green neutral light was on
i tried to start it with the side stand both up and down
where would i find the starter relay fuse?

Affschnozel · September 08, 2008, 07:15:00 AM

Starter relay is behind right side frame cover,you can trace it from the (+) battery terminal

the fuse is inside and it's 20 A not 10A

dlighthill · September 08, 2008, 07:21:17 AM

ok...i'll have a look tonight when i get home.
thanks

sledge · September 08, 2008, 07:56:47 AM

Sidestand interlock switch is in the area of the sprocket cover, you might have disturbed it.

Chef GS500f 06 · September 08, 2008, 08:14:16 AM

Might be a kickstand problem, a friends bike wouldn't start, after all the troubleshooting, i bent down and cleaned the inch of grease on his kickstand and it started right up, guess it was stuck down. Also check your fuses. Chef

dlighthill · September 08, 2008, 08:17:00 AM

Quote from: sledge on September 08, 2008, 07:56:47 AM
Sidestand interlock switch is in the area of the sprocket cover, you might have disturbed it.

would all the crap (grease and o-rings) have caused it to start with the side stand down? it used to do that.

sledge · September 08, 2008, 09:00:59 AM

Yes............If the switch had stuck in the closed position.

kml.krk · September 08, 2008, 10:32:54 AM

^^^^OK
BUT you can start the bike with side stand down, if the bike is in neutral.
Make sure the clutch is working properly, you have to disengage it (pull a handle) to start the engine.

cheers
KaMeL

sledge · September 08, 2008, 01:14:23 PM

Quote from: kml.krk on September 08, 2008, 10:32:54 AM
^^^^OK
BUT you can start the bike with side stand down, if the bike is in neutral.
Make sure the clutch is working properly, you have to disengage it (pull a handle) to start the engine.

cheers
KaMeL

Yes and no.............depends on the bike and where you are. UK and some other Euro spec bikes dont have the clutch operated switch in the starter interlock circuit.

dlighthill · September 08, 2008, 04:08:56 PM

ok....i've checked the starter relay and the fuse is good.
the wiring for the side stand all looks intact and good.
i'm neutral (i don't think i'd be able to push the bike without engaging the clutch if i wasn't)
anything else i can look for?

Affschnozel · September 09, 2008, 12:38:42 AM

If you have a test light or a voltmeter you can troubleshoot the whole starter system
Things to check:

Make sure the engine stop switch is on Run

Neutral switch-behind the sprocket cover,trace the wire from the switch to connector,disconnect wire,
check for continuity between wire and crankcase in neutral and no continuity in gear.

Sidestand switch-behind sidestand,trace the wire and disconnect,connect between Black/White and Green wires
check for continuity when the stand is up and no continuity when down

If these are OK then there's the sidestand relay to check....

dlighthill · September 09, 2008, 06:20:32 AM

Quote from: Affschnozel on September 09, 2008, 12:38:42 AM

Neutral switch-behind the sprocket cover,trace the wire from the switch to connector,disconnect wire,
check for continuity between wire and crankcase in neutral and no continuity in gear.

are the neutral switch wires the ones that run to the front under the sprocket cover? (they do look like they've been pinched by the housing)
i take it those are what tells the bike that you have the clutch engaged?

Affschnozel · September 09, 2008, 06:40:58 AM

The neutral switch is just above the sprocket and the wire runs back to connector behind the left cover

The switch tells the bike that it's in neutral and it's OK to start the engine

dlighthill · September 09, 2008, 04:05:19 PM

AHAA!!!
by-passed the clutch safety switch and all is good once again.
thanks for all your help
and for those who worry about this by-pass, it's only until i can get the new part in.

kml.krk · September 10, 2008, 10:15:51 AM

I was close

the mole · September 10, 2008, 02:34:20 PM

Quote from: dlighthill on September 09, 2008, 04:05:19 PM
AHAA!!!
by-passed the clutch safety switch and all is good once again.
thanks for all your help
and for those who worry about this by-pass, it's only until i can get the new part in.

I'd just leave it by-passed, one less thing to go wrong. All you have to do is engage brain before starter, worked for me for years until someone thought we had to be protected from our own stupidity. As soon as something goes wrong with one of the 1000 switches, relays, cables and connectors I'm junking the whole lot and connecting the strter switch staight to the ignition.
How long before we get a bike that won't start until all your safety gear is on and you've got a note signed by both your parents saying you can go?

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some advise please