So let me get this straight ... why are liberals good for the economy ...

[A Non eMouse]

Perspective is a good thing.  You can include Both Iraq wars, Afghanistan, and anything else in the Middle East over the next 10 years as the same war and I doubt it will compare to Vietnam.  You could combine every war since WWII and it will not compare to WWII.

Looking at the WWII numbers will really put modern wars into perspective, especially if you look at the death toll from other countries.

[frankieG]

i don't think a world war can compare to our modern wars.  they are two completely different entities.  one is a complete mobilization of the first world in conflict with each other.  no country is left untouched either directly or indirectly.   the economic machines of all the great nations is 100% geared to the war effort and all else comes second.  we do not see that in the modern say mini wars we have now.  there is no draft, no complete mobilization, may of the g-8 countries are not in this.  the only superpowers involved are us the USA and Britain.  the rest a minor countries.  to truly have a full mobilization we would need NATO and all the G-8 countries involved.  thank god we are not there, or even close.   but back to the question why are liberals good for the economy? because we are not set on world domination,  fighting battles which are not ours to fight,  we don't demand increased security and spend money on policing and military that may be better spent at home in America. 

[bikejunkie223]

There might be another world war- give China and N. Korea a chance!

[Juan1]

1. Most people don't ask which candidate is better for the economy, but which candidate is better for their wallet.  People care less about GDP than they do their own bank accounts.  Yes, the two are related, but they are not the same.  Clinton was better for the average worker's bank account than Bush.

2.  The average voter believes liberals are better for the economy in this election because the economy has done terrible things under Bush.  McCain subscribes to Bush's pre-9/11, small government philosophy.  Obama has sold himself as a change candidate (without getting too specific) and people think the current system needs to be changed.  (As a huge aside, Bush didn't continue his small government program mainly due to war and surveillance spending, but he did offer weak enforcement of environmental standards, and reduced government oversight in general.  Also, there is a chance that Bush's original small government strategy would have worked had he been more competent.  The small government ethos didn't get a fair trial because of Bush's mismanagement in my opinion.)

3.  For GDP info and an idea of which party has historically been better for the economy, see the chart in this article:  http://www.slate.com/id/2199810/

4.  A minority of voters see Obama as a move back to a more progressive tax structure, and more government oversight, at least with institutions that are considered too precious to fail.  Some believe that the philosophy of low taxes at all costs (prevalent since Reagan) is unsustainable since it has led to worse schools, crumbling infrastructure, etc...

[yamahonkawazuki]

We shall see the liberals wna tmore, but they as others in govt. dont spend wisely. ( ALL, including conservatives), the liberals plans would work, if we could get rid of teh waste. from ALL sides, and spend wisely. not spend more= tax more=spend more=tax more. that only works fo rso long then theres teh mythical ceiling where it all stops

[yamahonkawazuki]

i don't think a world war can compare to our modern wars.  they are two completely different entities.  one is a complete mobilization of the first world in conflict with each other.  no country is left untouched either directly or indirectly.   the economic machines of all the great nations is 100% geared to the war effort and all else comes second.  we do not see that in the modern say mini wars we have now.  there is no draft, no complete mobilization, may of the g-8 countries are not in this.  the only superpowers involved are us the USA and Britain.  the rest a minor countries.  to truly have a full mobilization we would need NATO and all the G-8 countries involved.  thank god we are not there, or even close.   but back to the question why are liberals good for the economy? because we are not set on world domination,  fighting battles which are not ours to fight,  we don't demand increased security and spend money on policing and military that may be better spent at home in America. 

lol i hear almost teh exact same hting on LW radio, for the past 4 years or so. got anyhting new?

[bikejunkie223]

There are still LW radio stations? I thought they all went out of business a while ago because nobody listens to that garbage....

[yamahonkawazuki]

There are still LW radio stations? I thought they all went out of business a while ago because nobody listens to that garbage....

google fairness doctrine aka censorship.

[frankieG]

air america...i listen to it pretty much daily.  but i also watch the o'reily factor.

[yamahonkawazuki]

air america...i listen to it pretty much daily.  but i also watch the o'reily factor.

yeah air america. look up its ratings. its why the"fairness doctrine" will be tantamount to censorship. air americas ratings are quite low. not as bad as congtresses, but stll. a station will not pick up a low rating show. frankie, you of all people should know that. forcing them to do it. will shut them down. them, ebing ALL. including liberal shows. a station owner will not carry a show from his or her ownpocket. if a sponsor will not pay in because of a cerain show then they leave. if more do that, tehn station goes under. i watch the o'reilly factor as well. and listen to. ( on sunday nights ( a lib show called " beyond the beltway". i listen to them all. but for a ong time all tehy did, like congress, was Buddha Loves You about bush. instead of trying to do something.

[bettingpython]

Liberals are good for the economy because gun owners are stimulating economic growth. Attendance numbers from this weekends gun show was 35,000 paid admissions. I personally spent about $300.

Picked up another stripped lower for another AR build, the wife wants a M4 now. Got a quad rail forend for my M4, and just beacuse theyr're so fricken cool I bought a wepons mounted green laser sight. Can you say follow the bouncing dot, and I found a guy selling Mil Surp 30rd Mags for $6.50 a piece so I picked up a dozen and I traded a little single shot .410 for a good set of cold steel hunting knives, my wife said my knife wasn't big enough to field dress a dear.

[bikejunkie223]

I read in the paper over the weekend that the gun stores here in Oregon are doing record business and likely will at least until Jan 20. I wish I had some cash to snag an AR before then.

[frankieG]

as far as i know air America does not get any government funding.  i have been a contributor both on air and financially to air america.   i like o'reilly because you just don't know what he is going to say.  at times he is very articulate and presents very good argument for the topic on hand.  then as we Irish tend to, gets pissed off and the rant flies   i watch fox just so i know what the right is on about and to see what fake news looks like.  i watched fox over election night/day and they were beside themselves on what to do or say.  they did come to the aid of sarah paulin.  other than that they were just useless.

[bettingpython]

No air america's not publicly funded, they went bankrupt last year abd got bought by green media, their market share is in the tank and it's programming is only carried in 65 media markets as of last available numbers, they have lost something like 66 affiliates since their introduction, of course it's not fair that no one want's to listen to their drivel.

Oooooooh my favorite subject, fairness.....LIFES NOT FAIR GET OVER IT!!!!!!!

If life was fair the government would have sent the furnace contractor out to service my furnace today, that cost $550 to get it fixed, I guess I coulda sat around and whined until some charity offered to pay for it and spent my christmas money on christmas instead of my furnace.

[yamahonkawazuki]

as far as i know air America does not get any government funding.  i have been a contributor both on air and financially to air america.   i like o'reilly because you just don't know what he is going to say.  at times he is very articulate and presents very good argument for the topic on hand.  then as we Irish tend to, gets pissed off and the rant flies   i watch fox just so i know what the right is on about and to see what fake news looks like.  i watched fox over election night/day and they were beside themselves on what to do or say.  they did come to the aid of sarah paulin.  other than that they were just useless.

funny same reasons why i listen to the liberal news networks lol 

[jserio]

more to be outraged at i suppose. damn greedy bastards.  good for the economy my ass. 


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