i want to be sure i'm understanding this correctly. please read and respond

[bettingpython]

Motorcycles are dangerous we should ban those too, of wait interesting concept that's actually easier to do you know why, driving is a priveledge not a right gauranteed by the constitution.

[frankieG]

i guess i just don't understand why people would want such powerful weapons.  of course having served in the military i used weapons so much i became sick of carrying, shooting and cleaning them.  so i may be biased when it comes to them.  i do believe that the vast majority of the owners are not properly trained.  but to me many cops are not properly trained. that would come back to my time in the military lol.  if you don't want them for hunting then why do you want one?  because you are allowed to is not a reason.  for protection? protection from what? that goes to my fear thing.    i have seen civilians and others firing on the range or in fields.  their lack of skill and knowledge of the weapon is outstanding.   many have no idea what to do in a misfire situation, proper firing stance, maintenance and cleaning of the weapon.   if you wanted a fire arm to be a collector then you don't need to get a functional weapon.  but guys i am beginning to lean to the right a bit.  it would sure be fun to have a fully functioning Uzi and then i would build a silencer for it.  ok frank why?  well some of the reasons you guys do.  in case the state, country or planet goes to hell in a hand basket. to have something to make it through day one of the fall of society.  yup that does not sound like me but i have been thinking that way, privately, for a bit.   the first person i would kill in that situation is my brothers 300lb gf...lol  joking.

if you do get a weapon i recommend you learn it inside and out.  to be able to strip and assemble it with ease.  to be able to fire accurately, reload and pass stoppages with ease.  as well as the proper cleaning and storage of the weapon.   to do this would take weeks of training and hundreds of rounds down range.    my list of post apocalyptic weapons would be...

Assault Rifles
Personal rifle
personal pistol
auto pistol
revolver

shot gun
semi auto rifle
auto rifle
machine gun
sub machine gun
bolt action rifle
long range rifle
high calibre rifle

IMPORTANT - Ammunition
try and keep your ammo the same,  22 LR, .223, 7.62, 9mm, 12 gauge

UZI 9mm with 90 mag and home silencer
12g auto shot gun
22 cal nylon long rifle
50 cal sniper weapon
7.62 assault rifle
.223 assault rifle
7.62 pod semi
9mm nylon auto pistol
9mm nylon fully auto pistol

personal
cammo dress (unless trying to fit into society)
kevlar vest and lid
eye protection
boot knife
bayonette
utility knife
nylon restraints
piano wire

[spc]

Check out KAC's new 6mm PDW.  That's a nasty lil Buddha Loves You.  Though the SR25 in 7.62 really tugs at my heartstrings.

[laserred97gt]

i guess i just don't understand why people would want such powerful weapons.  of course having served in the military i used weapons so much i became sick of carrying, shooting and cleaning them. 

::snip::

Now you're talking Frankie.

They are for the "what if" situation. 

You have fire extinguishers for fires, toothbrushes to prevent tooth decay, etc..

I like to shoot, and I enjoy the time at the range that I spend with my friends, and I enjoy learning new things, building my own parts, and tinkering & cleaning my guns. 

If problems do arise and people get out of control, then I know what to do and where to go.  I'm glad that you are thinking about self preservation, and I hope that you train and learn the things that you find important to survive.  That's what it's all about.

[yamahonkawazuki]

god forbid frankie, that this world should ever come to this

[bettingpython]

I intend to keep it short and simple in my ammo categories, we have his and hers .45acp's, I ahve been informed that I don't get to build the little 10.5" NFA SBR tactical carbine I wanted to use the new lower receiver for, the wife wants a ri9fle now so I need to pick up another lower for my project that will mean along with the current M4 I have she will have her own 16" M4 in .223 then I get to build a shorty. We are also picking up the best all round utitlity rifle a man could ever need a 10/22, it's for my son for christmas.

I will have 3 calibers to deal with .22lr cheap and plentiful ammo, .45acp not cheap but plentiful and common plus I am reloading now so cost is decreased. and the good ole .223 which is effective for multiple roles including medium sized game getting with the proper loads. And I am reloading for it as well.

[frankieG]

well i supose if things do go to hell in a hand basket it will be easier for me to train u plugs if you alread have a bit of knowlege.   but most of u i will use as fodder 

[yamahonkawazuki]

well i supose if things do go to hell in a hand basket it will be easier for me to train u plugs if you alread have a bit of knowlege.   but most of u i will use as fodder 

naaah, ill smack you upside the head, with a harley

[frankieG]

i don't think so.   i would prolly get jumped up to general right away and those with military experience will also get battlefield promotions.  those without will fill in the ranks.  that is just the way it is.  you can't expect to lead if you don't have the experience.  of course you could go at it alone but you would not last a week.

[shiznizbiz]

As said In a previous thread.  Im taking over the Walmart.  Whos with me?!?!?!
We'll just have to man proof it.   May not be as effective as it was against zombies.  Claymores and (frag/can) traps come to mind.  Preset L.O.D.'s to herd the dummies into killzones. Should suffice for a bit.  But I dont see that ever happening.  maybe...lol...

[frankieG]

ZOMBIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSs I HATE ZOMBIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

what kind of decoy is LOD?  i don't think sitting in the middle of a city or a high value target like walmart is a good idea.  find or build a nondescript bunker off in the woods or out of the way.  then go in with a section at a time with different tasks.  1. zombie killers  2.  zombie recce patrols  3.  survivor patrols 4. patrols searching for food  5. searching for supplies  just to name a few that come to mind. 

[shiznizbiz]

what kind of decoy is LOD? 

With all that Military Experince and you dont know what an L.O.D. is ?!?!?!?!?! WTF   
Give you a hint....wait no, I wont. Forget it.

[frankieG]

well there are tonnes of acronyms for lod

legion of doom
line of duty
letter of destruction
length of day
level of detection
leader on duty
letter of detection
just to name a few.

[shiznizbiz]

Judging by the context of my post, it would be something that subconciously herds hostiles into your desired direction.  Its preached to Infantry.  Thats as far as Im going with the hints  mr.seal.

[frankieG]

meh so i forgot or it is not a acronym that is commonly used...which could be either.  oooh you got one on me ahhhhhh  pft whatever lol

[frankieG]

meh so i forgot or it is not a acronym that is commonly used...which could be either.  oooh you got one on me ahhhhhh  pft whatever lol

line of departure is commonly referred to as a ESA ,  if you are speaking of line of dep then it i something in a text that is not commonly known.   whose who served would know that.

[shiznizbiz]

Line of drift.  Line of drift.  Used in Setting ambushes.  The natural path that the human eye follows and subcontiously guides you to do like wise.  Most common example, a sidewalk.  A Dirt path in a field. A ridgline.  The path of least resistance.  The most dangerous one you can take in a hostile setting. 

[frankieG]

enfilade (SP) is what the navy term is.   so there u picked out a term from a book...you are ready to lead and become a soldier. pass basic and all wpn training, straight to the front for you.

[yamahonkawazuki]

ZOMBIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSs I HATE ZOMBIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

what kind of decoy is LOD?  i don't think sitting in the middle of a city or a high value target like walmart is a good idea.  find or build a nondescript bunker off in the woods or out of the way.  then go in with a section at a time with different tasks.  1. zombie killers  2.  zombie recce patrols  3.  survivor patrols 4. patrols searching for food  5. searching for supplies  just to name a few that come to mind. 

zactly walmart is a HUGE f%$king box with multiple inlets, and outlets, not the best place for a "stand-off"

[shiznizbiz]

agaisnt zombies?  It would be more than adequate.    Gimmie a layout and id make you shaZam! yourself with what you could do with Whats already in the walmart.