oil horror story

[joeyz34]

so... skipping the intro, i've taken on the task of trying to help repair a coworker's 06 gs500f...

basically, i need to know how much oil the bike needs with a filter and cooler flush...  searching for it results in 193 pages





now in case you're interested: coworker takes MSF, buys bike, against my advice (no license, no permit, bike's not registered or insured) goes for a ride that night, runs out of gas, gets more gas, doesn't know how to prime carbs (not the most mechinically incllined guy), then thinks the oil light means he's out of oil, checks dipstick, sees it's empty (he's not strong or heavy enough to get the bike on the centerstand), goes to gas station and buys 8 bottles of 10w40 (I'm  not  sure of the  brand which is why i want to completely flush the bike), and proceedes to pour all 8 bottles into the bike (which was right at full when i checked it before he bought it), then tries to turn it over for a while until it does, but then starts burning oil and it floods....

now it's sitting in my garage, dripping oil out of the airbox vent tube, and I'm not planning on fixing it for him until he gets his paperwork done...

[joeyz34]

forgot to mention, after it died the 2nd time, he dropped it and the barend landed on the  top of his foot, and he pushed it across the street into a dark parking lot at 1:30am in a not so great area of town, and went  home... i didn't talk to him until later that night, and when i pulled up to the parking lot at 3:30am, i half expected the bike to be gone 

[905mike]

have ur buddy check his foot, if he took the weight of his bike on his foot via the barend ... he's gotta have broken bones in his foot.

[Paulcet]

Pre-oil-cooler GS500s take 3.1 quarts.  4 quarts ought to do it, check dipstick.  Your friend owes you BIG TIME!

[beRto]

so... skipping the intro, i've taken on the task of trying to help repair a coworker's 06 gs500f...

basically, i need to know how much oil the bike needs with a filter and cooler flush...  searching for it results in 193 pages

The non oil cooler models, use 2.6 L without filter and 2.9 L with a filter change.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=39711.msg446245#msg446245

The oil cooler model use 2.9 L without filter and ?? with filter.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=27573.msg292910#msg292910

If you ratio the oil volume up by the same proportion as the E model, you get 3.3 L with a filter change. I would suggest that as a starting point and then just check the dipstick.

The oil quantity (no filter) should be stamped in the engine. To illustrate I'll borrow one of Kerry's photos from the above thread:

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[Porkchop]

Eight quarts of oil is more than a car uses.  Good on you for not fixing anything until his papers are in order.

You said he took the MSF.  I assume it was the BRC.  Did he pass?

Just remember, friends don't let friends ride stupid so tell him to join this community and start learning about his bike.  It is an easy bike to live with, even for the mechanically challenged.

[gsJack]

Converting to American:  

GS500/E
w/o filter      2.6L = 2.7 US qt = 2.3 Imp qt
with filter     2.9L = 3.1 US qt = 2.6 Imp qt

GS500F
w/o filter      2.9L= 3.1 US qt = 2.6 Imp qt
with filter     3.2L = 3.4 US qt = 2.9 Imp qt

[GeeP]

Don't you mean converting to a "real" measurement, GSjack?   

[fred]

Wow, that is an amazing comedy of errors. How can this guy be trusted to drive anything?

[gsJack]

Don't you mean converting to a "real" measurement, GSjack?   

Been doing it that way for 76 years, not gonna change now.

[toyopete]

Jees Jack you must be right, also 76 years, you must be almost over a hunderd then?

keep it up,.

[Pigeonroost]

Around here you gotta have yer permit to take the MSF.  Too bad this guy passed it............

Drain the questionable oil and refill with the good stuff, don't worry about flushing the filter and such.  The oil in the pipes will burn off, but beware of fire hazzard.  Keep an eye on the seal, the weakest of which seems to be the pressed in output shaft seal.

prs

ps:  Its a wonder he did not throw a rod or break a piston with that much oil in the case -- it does not compress.

[joeyz34]

Around here you gotta have yer permit to take the MSF.  Too bad this guy passed it............

Drain the questionable oil and refill with the good stuff, don't worry about flushing the filter and such.  The oil in the pipes will burn off, but beware of fire hazzard.  Keep an eye on the seal, the weakest of which seems to be the pressed in output shaft seal.

prs

ps:  Its a wonder he did not throw a rod or break a piston with that much oil in the case -- it does not compress.

i was more concerned about what type of oil he had put in there (if there were any friction modifiers)... considering on one of my bikes, the filter and cooler hold almost an additional quart, I want to get as much of that oil out of the bike as possible...

[ohgood]

Around here you gotta have yer permit to take the MSF.  Too bad this guy passed it............

Drain the questionable oil and refill with the good stuff, don't worry about flushing the filter and such.  The oil in the pipes will burn off, but beware of fire hazzard.  Keep an eye on the seal, the weakest of which seems to be the pressed in output shaft seal.

prs

ps:  Its a wonder he did not throw a rod or break a piston with that much oil in the case -- it does not compress.

i was more concerned about what type of oil he had put in there (if there were any friction modifiers)... considering on one of my bikes, the filter and cooler hold almost an additional quart, I want to get as much of that oil out of the bike as possible...

the bike will be fine. drain all that stuff out, change the filter, fill up with 10w40 (the brand does NOT matter) and you already know the deal about friction modifiers.

the proper way to check the oil is:
on the center stand, or balanced on level ground...
remove dipstick, wipe, replace (WITHOUT SCREWING IN)
check,
replace, and screw in. I do it two or three times at each gas stop because I like oil. Allot.

you should charge your friend twice what the dealer does, just for his not listening to you. he needs to learn a few lessons, and you're a decent enough guy to teach them. no reason you shouldn't profit.

is he joining gstwins ?

[Paulcet]

ps:  Its a wonder he did not throw a rod or break a piston with that much oil in the case -- it does not compress.

When one piston is going up, the other is going down, so not much squeeze going on in the case.