Futuristic Division of America

[Revere2]

Copied from American Free Press



By Pat Shannan

A leading Russian political analyst has said  that the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the daily Izvestia published in that "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than $11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

Panarin, 60, is the spokesman for the Russian space program and is often quoted in articles around the world. He may be the highest-ranking official in any government to admit that the amero plan is real. He is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and has authored several books on information warfare.

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts—the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Indian populations; and the northern states, where the influence from
Canada is strong.




The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events. (At least ten years before that, it was reported that this division of states was part of the globalists' plans already on the drawing board at the New World Order.)

When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."

When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."

Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

He also cited the "vulnerable political setup," "lack of unified national laws," and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions."

He even suggested that "We [Russia] could reclaim Alaska—it was only granted on lease, after all."

On the fate of the U.S. dollar, he said: "In 2006, a secret agreement was reached between Canada, Mexico and the U.S. on a common amero currency as a new monetary unit. This could signal preparations to replace the dollar. The $100 bills that have flooded the world could be simply frozen, under the pretext, let's say, that terrorists are forging them and they need to be checked."

When asked how Russia should react to his vision of the future, Panarin said: "Develop the ruble as a regional currency. Create a fully functioning oil exchange, trading in rubles. . . . We must break the strings tying us to the financial Titanic, which in my view will soon sink."

[gearman]

Another 'Soviet' prediction that vastly underestimates the spirit and ingenuity of the American people...which will ultimately determine the outcome of the looming financial setback. I think this calls for some Mark Twain:

"The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated".

[frankieG]

complete and utter nonsense.

[5thAve]

The "Canadian influence" ?     

Has this dude ever been to the states?  I think not!   

[commuterdude]

Someone who believes the US would break up into geographic areas based on ethnicity is really, really, a TARD.

[yamahonkawazuki]

Someone who believes the US would break up into geographic areas based on ethnicity is really, really, a TARD.

ive got a few socialist liberal friends with those views. then again tehyre a bit on the  side. not like normal socialist, or liberals. This problem is decades in the making, and unfortunately to completely heal, will more than likely be decades as well. BUT i feel as though we will persevere and succeed

[Cal Price]

As an outsider I think the Pro goes too far, yes there are problems and yes the balance of world power and wealth is changing. All that stuff around the millenium about a "New american century" never stood up. It seems pretty obvious that the emerging "great power" is China, followed eventually probably by India. History shows us that the great traders and manufacturers eventually get to be the military and political power brokers.
Think about the Romans or any of the great empires.
The emergence of new power and wealth in east Asia does not, however, mean that America and Western Europe will fade away. They will change, indeed are changing and some of that change may not be a bundle of fun. Europes small countries are coming closer and heading eventually for a European federal state, we allready have the Euro currency and the "convergance" policies of many governments. A lot of Europeans don't like this (particularly here) but few would deny that the agenda creeps along and there are indeed even some benefits, these may or may not be worth the loss of individual nation "sovereignty" All this started with the treaty of Rome in the fifties which was all about free-trade areas. there is a parralell perhaps with NAFTA and if adopted over time will change the way you look at your federal structures and police your borders, these things happen but i don't see the US falling apart just yet.

The European experience is that regions tend to want more independence and autonomy "within the new and greater bloc" so some of those things are possible. A loosening of ties perhaps but breakdown ? make up your own minds.

What is clear is that when the US engages with the rest of the world it exercises great power and influence which have both costs and benefits. It also has vast deposits of potential within it's own borders and to the south in south america which seems to be waking up. The potential in SA is a great opportunity for the whole world but near neighbors the US is well placed to seize any opportunity.

One of the Russion proffesors weak spots about his vision of the world is that China and Russia along with many arab states and most of Africa is that they simply can't feed themselves and various five-year-plans and great leaps forward have failed miserably to make progress, they will get better at it with the liberalisation of economies but will still look to the Mid-west of the US, the Canadian praries and even Europe for the grain that the world lives on for a few years yet so I wouln't panic just yet!

[shiznizbiz]

baaaaahhhh!!!!  dang fangled rusky. And Im with Cal ON this one.  ITs a global change thats occuring, not just a change in america.  shaZam! happens that no one can control, so adapt and overcome, or die.  your choice.  Woot Woot, shiz out!

[Cal Price]

That's it. It is simply change. Not good not bad - just change.

[PuddleJumper]

Well put Cal,

When it comes down to it, the real currency is food.

You can alway walk or ride a bicycle in order to travel, But it's hard to eat oil.

BeSafe
PJ

[makenzie71]

Well...part of me wishes this kind of propaganda was true and that news of it was being spread across the nation like wildfire.  Maybe then we'd get enough people pissed off to do something about it.

America does, though, have a knack for pulling through the hardest of times with movie-star flesh-wound like injuries...we just walk it off like it was nothing.  The scary part, though, is that we also have a knack for doing oh my goodness with movie-star like timing.  We're going to turn the oh my goodness around, dust off our "flesh wounds", and walk it off with a giant "00:00:01" in ominous crimson digital numerals frozen on the clock.

[wladziu]

Don't get too pissy about the Red.  That's how they see things.  Remember the division of their own country, and all. 

Most of europe thinks almost the exact same.  My wife's Polish, for example, and she has no idea how America keeps itself together.  Ben Franklin himself said something along those lines (actually, it was anti-semantic, but maybe you get my point). 
I, myself, wonder what is actually gonna keep this place held together.  The "fall of Rome" has certainly crossed my mind a few times.  I'm not very optimistic about people stepping past cultural boundaries and all of that.  There are certain elements that tie the cultures together, and it's going to be interesting if those elements will interact in the straining economy.  I'm wondering what the new hippie culture will be composed of.  As one of the very few white guys at a historically black university, I'm daily aware of the division between races in this country and all that they ensue.  But, there's another time to talk about that....

I'm interested in seeing another emerging public works program.  Those are always great!  Maybe they'll do more than just revitalize some part of the infrastructure; maybe something new will be started.  That's certainly something to keep an eye out for.  Without it, we're basically doomed as far as I'm concerned. 
The U.S.'s strength lies in it's agriculture.  It's what made us a country.  We stepped past it for a while, but it's our backbone.  We're depending on it now, more than ever.  Failure of the banks, the industrial zones, movement of the technological centers, growth of international business and failure to properly stimulate domestic (our true downfall); these things all lead to very, very rocky ground for the farmers.  If we can't provide 90% of the world's corn (because all the farmers are in debt to the failing banks), then we're done.

The question is: when are we going to see internationally-owned U.S. farms.  When are China and India going to subsidize Nebraska to support their growing nations? 
Since meat costs so much, when are the NC pork farms going to shut down?  If enough farms shut down, we can no longer afford to offer incentives to corporate manufacturers and development firms.  There's my state economy going down the toilet.  Google just turned down an offer just because of that, last week. 







The Euro can kiss my puckered butt.  They're making profit off of a war meant to provide for world safety, without contributing.  Meanwhile, we're shipping out everything we possibly can get past our borders. 
I wonder what would happen if we shut off the water in California for about 6 months.  Bye bye, illegal immigration.  Bye bye, strong Euro.  Bye bye, price of oil.  Bye bye, Japanese beef.  See ya later, Google.  Nice knowing ya', Walmart!  et cetera, et cetera!!!

[wladziu]

By the way, I certainly hope no one here is actually pissed at Russia about the Georgia invasion....

If you bought a dog and put him outside, if this dog barked constantly at your neighbor's window at night.... wouldn't you expect to hear complaint?  That's exactly what we did by proposing a missile defense system in Czech and Poland, against Russia.  Russia hadn't done a single thing to us, at the time, nor was planning to.  But... we pushed it and pushed it.  Russia got mad, and decided to invade Georgia as a show of force, nothing else.  Poland got scared, and accepted the missile defense deal.  This further pissed off Russia, so they started spitting out frustrated messages to Condy Rice. 
Poland's a close ally to the US.  If Russia had stepped a foot on Polish land, it counts as an invasion of US soil.  So, Russia stopped there.  But, they're pretty angry, just like you would be (against previously mentioned neighbor). 

You can thank the baby boomers for that one, Georgia.  Always scared of the Russians. 
Attention baby boomers!  Russians are gregarian!  Most of their country is covered in tundra, and they can't farm it!  They gave up most of their valuable land when the Union split up, and they haven't done much to get it back.  Why would we possibly be threatened by that?

No wonder they're hoping the US will fall apart....

We're funding their enemies in Afghanistan, buying their chief cash crop (opium) for use as medical-grade morphine.  Thanks to us, Afghanistan's birth rate is among the fastest in the world.  I wonder what that means....





The life-blood of a country's economy is in agriculture, not commerce or real estate or auto manufacturing or whatever else is on the cover of USA Today.  Bin Laden didn't see it, and I don't think many other people do, either. 



I'm done now.   

[makenzie71]

We may be funding Russia's enemies, but they're funding and supplying ours.  You know how many Mig 29's and SU-27's are flying around the middle east?

[wladziu]

Well, I saw one on blocks when we occupied the airport where the guy got the MoH.  Seriously, it was on concrete blocks.    
Russian defense technology is as washed up as Grandma's petunias.  Even their uber-caliber tank that was hush-hush in the 90's fell through.  They've got bulk, capable of going against other gregarian societies, but not much else. 


I agree with you; arms trade agreements are as dumb as most other international commerce trends.  Just out to make a buck, nevermind the expense of the global community or your own nation. 
Reagan got tied up in crap like that years ago.  Kinda set the tone for the outgoing Pres, even though I don't know (and don't wanna know) the specifics. 
The way I was told, we and the Ruskies decided to make the Middle East our playground.  Don't know why, and it's too depressing for me to look it up. 

It's all a bunch of horsesh!t to me.  I've decided just to sit back and pretend it's not happening, like that time your m@m......
Somebody's gonna start something soon, though.  Just wait for it.  Not us, not the Russians, not in the Middle East, either.  I think Korea's full of BS (all show, no go).  As strained as things are gonna get... something's gonna pop.  Always does. 
Remember Germany?  Ol' Mustachio got his power from civil unrest due to economic decline following the payback of WW1 fees, blaming it on rich Jews.  History repeats itself.  Always. 
1. WW1
2. Economic Boom
3. Dust Bowl
4.  Black Tuesday
5. New Deal
6. Strained world relations following US economic decline
7. WW2
etc.
15. Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac
16. Obama's "New Deal, Deuce"
17. ......

[frankieG]

i think we are secure here in America. even if there were some insurrection we have a strong military and state police forces to handle it.  not to mention the national guard. now if the guards decided to support a split then we are in for all out war.  guys like me n a few other on this board would be underground in a blink. otherwise we would have to join or die.

[PuddleJumper]

Don't forget, the guard units are under control of the Governors of each state.

A Gov, can activate a guard unit without consulting the feds.

BeSafe.
PJ

[shiznizbiz]

But it still comes down to The Federal Government.  If the Feds need them, they get them.  I dotn think a State governer can just recall all his boys back from Iraq and send them to go kick his neighbors ass.  It'd never happen.  The NA is still a Federal Military, but on loan to the states in which they occupy.  Air national Guard is still Air Force.  Army National Gaurd Is still Army.  They will never be used against each other state to state.  They would likely be used to police rebel and territorial forces if such a fantastical event were to take place.

[shiznizbiz]

wait, in the event of a split, there would be no federal goverment...and no state government.  and any forms of armed forces would probable split. so Cancel what i said.  i think.  point being, america will never split.  too many things keep us glued together.

[wladziu]

Well, what he's talking about is just a long-term hypothesis, anyway.  One of those "long, slow spirals of death" type things, to be macabre about it.

Countries don't fall apart through civil wars and things; that's just the end result of loss of governmental authority.  The Russian is just stating that our country may be headed in that direction, as the authority is being handed over to so many other entities. 

It's gonna happen anyway.  Rome WILL fall.  The fact that we've existed this long is in direct defiance of so many things. 
For a country to come so far in just 200 years is not as unprecedented as we'd like to think.   There have been certain others that have grown just as fast, only to fall under their own weight.  We've just had more tech advances (which effectively speed things up even faster). 



OOooh, I need to look into that - - rate of reaction in social constructs, equilibrium states vs that one law about tech advances. 
Does anybody remember the name of that rule?  I can't remember.  The one about things doubling every certain # of years?