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Started by The Buddha, February 15, 2009, 06:53:07 PM

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The Buddha

So the states can split from the Union ?

"Although Fox News and CNN are not telling you about it, a growing number of states are declaring sovereignty. Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California, and Georgia have all introduced bills and resolutions declaring sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment. Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, and Illinois are considering such measures.For details on the particular bills and resolutions introduced by the above states, check out the following:
Washington
New Hampshire
Arizona
Montana
Michigan
Missouri
Oklahoma
California
Georgia
Excerpt from New Hampshire's Resolution--additional states mentioned:
"...Whereas the other States that included recommendations, to wit Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island and Virginia, included an identical or similar recommended change;..."

Can someone help me understand this ?

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Jughead

It's not Splitting from the Union it's only to force the Federal Government back to where it should be.Out of the state Government and out of the Peoples Lives.Could be the First step though.
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Jughead

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This may Help you a Bit SS.Things are changing.I don't know how much or How good it's going to be. :dunno_white: But the People are speaking Again.You do Know that there is Something wrong in this Nation for something like this to even be thought of much less to have reach the Floor.
http://ohiorepublic.blogspot.com/search/label/State%20Sovereignty%20Resolutions


I think that people has said that the South Wouldn't Rise Again.Who said it had to be Just the South.
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The Buddha

OK cool, I'll read that jughead.
However if you think about it, AZ, CA, and MI are infact placing the biggest drag on our country's economy with massive foreclosure etc and in fact CA is un proportionately sucking up public funds and has a huge hand in destroying the financial system. Nevada, Florida round out the top 5 for sources of financial ruin. Source, not destination mind you. NY, NJ, MA, VA and possibly OH or GA or MD will make the top 10. Maybe they should repackage the mortgages by state or even by location, like dont bundle a Charlotte NC mortgage with a SFO, CA mortgage. So, all SFO's stay together, maybe they'll all be ghey and my charlotte NC mortgage will be nice and straight.
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Majorhavoc

Basically the 10th Amendment clarifies the original intention of the US Constitution to create a federalist government.  Federalism, in a nutshell, grants any and all power and authority to the individual states that isn't expressly reserved by the Constitution for a central, national government. 

People sometimes get confused by the name federalism because they think it favors a national government over state governements.  It's the exact opposite.  When reading the word "federalism", think: "federation", as opposed to "federal government".

The problem is when people take the 10th amendment too literally.  They think it means that states are somehow granted the option of independent sovereignty, as opposed to independent governance.  Short of a second US civil war, that just isn't going to happen.  But that doesn't prevent crackpots from trying to introduce cessation bills in state legislatures every year.  They usually reference the 10th Amendment as legal justification.  Most of those bills never even get out of legislative committees. 

And CNN and other media outlets don't suppress this news.  In fact, if a state cessation bill gets any kind of popular traction (as it did in Vermont a decade or so ago), it gets lots of air time because it makes such a great news story.

Susuki_Jah

we need this change, the Federal Govt. has become to large and involved. The govt. should be by the people for the people but so far it has become for the govt. by the people. money needs to go where we want it to go not blown on crap that will never matter.

I hope this direction continues
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Jughead

Quote from: Susuki_Jah on February 16, 2009, 01:47:40 PM
we need this change, the Federal Govt. has become to large and involved. The govt. should be by the people for the people but so far it has become for the govt. by the people. money needs to go where we want it to go not blown on crap that will never matter.

I hope this direction continues

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jserio

exactly. the federal government has no money in and of itself. it is our tax money they are spending. we have to do something to remind them of where they're getting it and that it is their job to spend it how we see best fit. intresting find. sad that it took such a devastating blow to our economy for people to finally wake up and realize the government only cares for itself and not the individuals it represents. checks and balances at its finest. NEVER forget that we(the people) elect them(the government) so we are their bosses in every sense of the word. they've seem to forgotten that.  ;)
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lawman

Quote from: The Buddha on February 15, 2009, 06:53:07 PM
So the states can split from the Union ?

"Although Fox News and CNN are not telling you about it, a growing number of states are declaring sovereignty. Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California, and Georgia have all introduced bills and resolutions declaring sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment. Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, and Illinois are considering such measures.For details on the particular bills and resolutions introduced by the above states, check out the following:
Washington
New Hampshire
Arizona
Montana
Michigan
Missouri
Oklahoma
California
Georgia
Excerpt from New Hampshire's Resolution--additional states mentioned:
"...Whereas the other States that included recommendations, to wit Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island and Virginia, included an identical or similar recommended change;..."

Can someone help me understand this ?

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Buddha.

It's a common-law (read "illegitimate") court/militia movement thing.  The 10th amendment reads: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."  The theory is that the Federal Government is a government of limited powers, whereas the states are governments of general powers, and therefore the states can assert "sovereignty" over the federal government, thus ignoring federal law except within enumerated limited powers.  Frankly, it's carrying a legal truism a bit farther than it can be reasonably carried.  Recent Supreme Court cases have found that Congress has overstepped itself in certain, limited commerce clause cases.  I imagine states are creating laws reflecting these precedents - assuming a grain of truth in the story.  Some members of these movements assert "posse comitatus," which is an Old English common-law doctrine that says that all power comes from the community, basically, and so they form their own courts out of friends of theirs, issuing civil and criminal fines and penalties, edicts, etc.  Some assert that the certain law changes affect only corporations, that the fringe on a court flag strips it of jurisdiction as admiralty, that the current version of the 14th amendment isn't the one that was actually ratified, etc.  It's a fascinating set of beliefs, but can be unusual.  When someone tells you not to pay your taxes or to refuse to register your car, though, think long and hard about it.

Where did you find this?  I imagine there are other reasons "Fox News and CNN are not telling you about it".  Frankly, I'm not sure I prefer state control over federal control.

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