A sad, and hopeful, change

[The Buddha]

nice touch on my post buddha.

Why you little ...

Where is that ban button ...
Cool.
Buddha.

[lawman]

nice touch on my post buddha.

Why you little ...

Where is that ban button ...
Cool.
Buddha.

[gearman]

That said, you can't go wrong with a Honda Nighthawk either.  How about this vintage blast from the past?  The 1984 Honda 700SC Nighthawk has shaft drive and will eat a SV 650 for breakfast.

That's my favorite air cooled Honda. They are great sport tourers. Breakfast? Maybe brunch...that extra 90+ pounds it packs around will consume some of that 8~10 hp advantage.  

[Hawk996]

Wow, "ban all guns other than long barrel single shot hunting rifles" ,  Yes, gun control is a great idea, lets implement it tomorrow.  Then all of us legal tax paying immigrants can run right down to the local court house / police station and turn over our guns that we have paid thousands of dollars for without reimbursement. 

I am sure all the dope slingers, murders, rapists, armed robbers, car jackers, and the like will gladly comply as well.  Whats that?  The law breakers did not comply? What a shock!!!  So, when 2 meth crazed, 9mm semi auto pistol packing thugs bust down my door and steal my money, rape my wife, kill my dogs, and steal anything and everything of value in my house including my 1000 cc air polluting rocket I can defend myself with a bolt action 22 caliber squirrel gun.  Great idea you have there, only the thugs, cops and military have guns. Perfect...

You are so lucky to be able to speak your mind the way you do.  Please, Google Allyn K. Capron.  My great x4 grandfather who was a member of Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders. Because of people like me and my family, who by the way, every single generation of my family has fought in a major war on the American side of course, from the American Revolution to Desert Storm,  and gave you the right to pray to the god you choose and speak whatever nonsense you please.   When IMHO you deserve neither, and if you dont believe in the Constitution or the rights that it affords you then go somewhere else.  Canada would be pleased to have a liberal like you in their ranks...

So take your single shot rifle and your scooter and load them in your "Smart" car, lock it in 4 wheel drive (is this car 4x4 ?) and see how far you can drive it up your a**....

Come back with whatever rebuttal you will, I don't care...  I am done with politics on this forum.  I came here to talk about bikes.  Thanks.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
Benjamin Franklin

[jrains89]

someone has a sore spot.

[joshr08]

+10000000000000000000000 HAWK

[lawman]

Wow, "ban all guns other than long barrel single shot hunting rifles" ,  Yes, gun control is a great idea, lets implement it tomorrow.  Then all of us legal tax paying immigrants can run right down to the local court house / police station and turn over our guns that we have paid thousands of dollars for without reimbursement. 

Fine with me - they did that for prohibition.  After that, gun control is easy - if it don't stick out - long barrel - the man's a criminal.

I am sure all the dope slingers, murders, rapists, armed robbers, car jackers, and the like will gladly comply as well.  Whats that?  The law breakers did not comply? What a shock!!!  So, when 2 meth crazed, 9mm semi auto pistol packing thugs bust down my door and steal my money, rape my wife, kill my dogs, and steal anything and everything of value in my house including my 1000 cc air polluting rocket I can defend myself with a bolt action 22 caliber squirrel gun.  Great idea you have there, only the thugs, cops and military have guns. Perfect...

Again, after that, gun control is easy - if it don't stick out - long barrel- the man's a criminal.  Or a cop, soldier or member of a state-organized militia, to wit:

You are so lucky to be able to speak your mind the way you do.  Please, Google Allyn K. Capron.  My great x4 grandfather who was a member of Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders. Because of people like me and my family, who by the way, every single generation of my family has fought in a major war on the American side of course, from the American Revolution to Desert Storm,  and gave you the right to pray to the god you choose and speak whatever nonsense you please.   When IMHO you deserve neither, and if you dont believe in the Constitution or the rights that it affords you then go somewhere else.  Canada would be pleased to have a liberal like you in their ranks...

Rough riders were a militia, right?  They relied primarily on long-barreled rifles, right?

I hate when political discussions devolve like this, but you are an ignoramus.  Because your family fought in wars, that gives you some superior right to an opinion?  The fact that they fought in wars proves my point - they had guns while in organized military action.  Other than that, they can hunt with a long-barreled rifle, defend their homes with a long-barreled shotgun, and have no need for handguns, assault weapons, etc.   This country has a bigger gun "problem" than any other industrialized country on earth.  Maybe that's because of right wing yahoos like yourself.  You can't be a gun-toting nation of laws.  Here's an idea, why don't YOU go somewhere else?  You want guns?  Emigrate to Afghanistan. They like guns there. 

Fact is, I know more about the Constitution, its history, and its interpretation than any three people on here combined.  I've studied it, taught it, written about it - published, for judges-, defended it, interpreted it, and argued it.  It's been mangled more in the last 8.3 years than at any time including the internments of World War II and the Alien and Sedition acts, most unfortunately, by the Court intended to defend it, for political reasons.  You want a handgun?  Be a cop.  You want an assault rifle? Join the army.  You want to play soldier?  Join the Guard.  Other than that, you have no right to guns, and your "right" to guns complicates everyone else's rights. 

[joshr08]

well it really doesnt matter what law is passed because the only people they will effect are the people with legal registered guns.  The guy selling them out of his trunk in a bark ally will not be effected or stopped.  So thanks for taking my selfdefence away from me and giving the run of the land to the criminals.

[lawman]

well it really doesnt matter what law is passed because the only people they will effect are the people with legal registered guns.  The guy selling them out of his trunk in a bark ally will not be effected or stopped.  So thanks for taking my selfdefence away from me and giving the run of the land to the criminals.

Again, if the law precludes anything but long barreled weapons, and he's selling anything else in a back alley, it's easy to arrest him, and the buyer.

Why do pro gun morons always make this argument?  Do you realize that in countries with fewer guns, they not only have less crime, the COPS don't even always carry guns?  Like, Canada, or England?  If they "take away your self defense" by outlawing handguns, they can easily arrest anyone with a handgun.  They don't need to check for a permit.  The very protrusion of a hangun shaped object is grounds for a Terry Stop.  Besides that, I've never said cops shouldn't have handguns, and if cops have handguns, and criminals have handguns, then anyone with a handgun is a cop or a criminal.  Period.  If the criminal wants to walk down the street with a long-barreled rifle, that makes his gun pretty apparent, doesn't it?

[tripleb]

what happens if a criminal has a handgun and the cops don't?  I don't think that guy is going to be arrested.

[bill14224]

Lawman doesn't know what militia means.. it's the armed citizenry, not the national guard as he implies.  The Supreme Court just ruled on it a year or two ago.  I find this troubling since he's a lawman (assumedly) and it's his job to know the law.

It is also in the financial best interest of police, or anyone who works for the government, to spew the leftist socialist democrat party line.  Who else gets to retire at 50 on $70 grand and Cadillac benefit package?  Not us, the great un-washed private sector who pays the taxes they confiscate from us and our children.

We already have too many people working for the government.  That's why our republic is rotting from the inside and going bankrupt.

So do me a favor and talk bikes or get lost.  I seek refuge from commies.  I though I found a place here.  Perhaps I was wrong.

Now go empty the parking meter and have a doughnut.

[Juan1]

Wow, this thread turned into a dumb name calling session in a hurry!  One side retardedly argues that the founding fathers made law that still is relevant to today and the future, yet doesn't think the second amendment should also apply to RPGs and thousand pound bombs.  The other side retardedly believes that gun ownership by responsible citizens doesn't act as a deterrent for crime.  Both seem to retardedly believe that a blanket law regarding gun ownership should apply nationwide, rather than allowing states and counties to make law that best suits their needs, cultures, and crime statistics.

So what do you guys think of VFRs and SV's (see the original post if this seems like a non-sequiter)?

[lawman]

Lawman doesn't know what militia means.. it's the armed citizenry, not the national guard as he implies.  The Supreme Court just ruled on it a year or two ago.  I find this troubling since he's a lawman (assumedly) and it's his job to know the law.

Actually, you're wrong.

The Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. ___ (2008) held that the part of the Second Amendment regarding militias is "prefatory."  "The Second Amendment is naturally divided into two parts: its prefatory clause and its operative clause. The former does not limit the latter grammatically, but rather announces a purpose."  This is ridiculous, and that fact is why 4 judges dissented, with two opinions getting all 4 of their votes.  The author was Scalia, who in Employment Division v. Smith rolled back 70 years of 1st Amendment precedent.  It also ignores the oft-cited dicta "Words have meaning," from Zorach v. Clauson, 343 U.S. 306 (1952).

I also am very, very well informed as to the definition of "militia."  I am published on that too, incidentally.  This is the crux of the argument in Heller.  Note that the militias at the time of the Constitution were organized by the states.  Note also that the Bill of Rights – 1st 10 amendments – was a bribe to get states to sign on, and thus is intended to recognize the rights of states.  I would point out the 9th and 10th Amendments, for instance.  The purpose of the second amendment was to assure the states that they would not lose their own organized military forces.  In fact, at the time of the Constitution and a few times thereafter, there WAS NO US MILITARY.  Note that the militias at the time of the Revolution were generally named for the state they were organized by.  You might want to look up the definition of militia.  In any event, Heller would have gone the other way with O'Connor still on the Court, and definitely if Gore hadn't had the election stolen from him and Roberts and Alito not been sitting.  I expect in my lifetime Heller will be reversed.

Note also that even more recently, in United States v. Hayes, No. 07-608 (2009), the Supreme Court UPHELD federal law restricting ownership of guns by those convicted of certain crimes - not just felonies, but misdemeanor domestic assault as well.  How can the right of the people not be infringeable, and then be infringed?  Think also, there are laws about who can sell them, background checks, restrictions on ammo, restrictions on fully-automatic weapons.  Obviously some infringement is deemed Constitutional.  This creates a law-enforcement nightmare.  I recall US v. Lopez, regarding the gun free school zones act, for example.
[/quote]

It is also in the financial best interest of police, or anyone who works for the government, to spew the leftist socialist democrat party line.  Who else gets to retire at 50 on $70 grand and Cadillac benefit package?  Not us, the great un-washed private sector who pays the taxes they confiscate from us and our children.

Worse than that, we're paying for a lot of those: http://www.pbgc.gov/.  Remember all those airline bankruptcies?  The PBGC took on those pensions, at taxpayer expense...

Now go empty the parking meter and have a doughnut.

[The Buddha]

Wow, this thread turned into a dumb name calling session in a hurry!  One side retardedly argues that the founding fathers made law that still is relevant to today and the future, yet doesn't think the second amendment should also apply to RPGs and thousand pound bombs.  The other side retardedly believes that gun ownership by responsible citizens doesn't act as a deterrent for crime.  Both seem to retardedly believe that a blanket law regarding gun ownership should apply nationwide, rather than allowing states and counties to make law that best suits their needs, cultures, and crime statistics.

So what do you guys think of VFRs and SV's (see the original post if this seems like a non-sequiter)?

Yea viffer 750 is great, 800 is a POS. Again note the new buddha policy and the fact that its got a frame that stops at the top rear of the motor instead of having swingarm pivot trhough it. Sorry Honda we're callint it as a bad design, shock and swingarm stresses in the motor may enhance your bottom line when motors break, but sorry its at out expense, way to go honda shafting your customers ...
SV650 yea yea, so its same as last years, may be its best feature. The gladius is a steel framed POS that actually costs more than the SV. Screw that sheite.
SV is fine but the 1000 is far better.
Cool.
Buddha.

[Streebek]

As an Officer in training...

LAWMAN +1

[lawman]

So what do you guys think of VFRs and SV's (see the original post if this seems like a non-sequiter)?

Yea viffer 750 is great, 800 is a POS. Again note the new buddha policy and the fact that its got a frame that stops at the top rear of the motor instead of having swingarm pivot trhough it. Sorry Honda we're callint it as a bad design, shock and swingarm stresses in the motor may enhance your bottom line when motors break, but sorry its at out expense, way to go honda shafting your customers ...
SV650 yea yea, so its same as last years, may be its best feature. The gladius is a steel framed POS that actually costs more than the SV. Screw that sheite.
SV is fine but the 1000 is far better.
Cool.
Buddha.

I agree with Buddha.  I think though that a lot of bike selection is preference.  I know people on modified Hayabusas looking for twin turbo packages, and people who ride their rebel 250 only on back roads.  As between those two I would go with the SV - I almost bought a 650 - but you can't do the sort of wrenching you can on a GS, which is a zen thing for me.

[Juan1]

If only the SV650 was a bit roomier, had better suspension, and didn't have that big old muffler in the way.  It is hard to beat the value of a 3 year old SV650 though.