What wrong with Punk Kids these days...

[yamahonkawazuki]

what would be really scary is if that kid ever does become manager  god help us all!, what is it w/ parents buying kids cars mc's etc etc, it doesnt teach them the real value of a hard earned dollar, ive had a total of 17 cars, (im only 28), only one of those was given to me. cause it needed about 2k to repair it. :lol: ,if more of these kids had to actually work for the money to buy the bike, you would have a lot less of the squidly activities going on, my next bike will be an hd, (cause i do like them), and it will kill me in the pocketbook.    

[Moose]

what is it w/ parents buying kids cars mc's etc etc, it doesnt teach them the real value of a hard earned dollar,

I so agree with you on that approach, my first car was a $600 Honda Accord.  After that I had to work to get my next couple cars.  I have always run accross deals and then worked on the cars to get them to running condition.  I know alot of parents in my area buy their kids SUV's sport cars and other vehicles.  Whats up with parents doing that to there kids, it teaches kids to expect things for nothing.  SORRY if I offend anyone with this statement but its how I feel.  I have two kids, the first car they are going to get will probably come from a Junk-yard.  That way they will learn what it is like to put something together and appreciate it when it is done.  Granted I am not talking about a nissan or something like that.  Probably something more from the Mopar era.  Just like my GS I picked it up for next to nothing from a MC Junkyard, but I was jazzed just to have it.  I have put money into it and I expect to put more.  But it is something that I will have worked hard for and will appreciate that much more.  Well that is my 2-cents.

[Rich500]

yamahonkawazuki wrote:
what is it w/ parents buying kids cars mc's etc etc, it doesnt teach them the real value of a hard earned dollar,

I am one of those kids y'all are talking about. My parents when I turned 16, bought me a Civic to get to school. That was 3 years ago. Then a year and a half ago, they bought me my 2002 GS500, then this summer, I got a 1996 Camaro Z28 Camaro convertible to roll in (check out the post "which of my rides to take" http://www.gstwins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4836). I think you people are jealous perhaps. Or resentful. The only reason I got all this is due to my work ethic. I work hard in school, get strait A's, I deserve a reward. Also my dad was poor when he was my age, and wants me to experience the good life. I might be spoiled, but alot of these kids who get this stuff have done alot to earn a reward, yes a sports car is maybe a bit big. Dont judge unless you know the whole story.
I know the value of a hard earned dollar, I have been working since I was 15 becasue Iw anted too, I never had too. A lot of kids have a good work ethic and understand value, our parents just want to give us a good life. Quit being jealous, or resentful. My parents worked f%$king hard to be in a position to be able to give me my life, and they have, along with many other parents taught there kids well, even though they have given them so much.

[Lucky13]

I just had to add my 2 cents worth. This is Mooses significant other, and it was he that drew my attention to this particular discussion.  
I have a few questions for the *kid* that DESERVES to be rewarded.
If one of your shiny play things gets broken, be it your camaro or bike, can you fix them? If not who foots the bill for repairs? If it is your parents, do you reimburse them for the money they spent? I was raised a child of privelige but soon found that with privelige came certain responsibilities and obligations. My first car was a 67 bonneville, and my first bike was a Honda cb 650. I chose these becasue they would be easy to learn to repair myself. I sold my last bike a few years ago, a 1978 mottoguzzi G5 and have missed having one ever since, but I digress. No one *DESERVES* anything for doing what they are supposed to do. You get good grades, fabulous, kudos and gold stars, you work hard, great you are rewarded through your own efforts with what I hope will be valuable ethics. Being a mother myself I understand your parents wish to give to you what they never had. Moose and I have 2 sons and we want to completely equip them as best we can for the whole life spectrum, not just the recieving end of it. Anyway, thats my 2 cents and I should proabaly shut up before I piss anyone off more than I proabaly already have... Moose hasn't stuck by me for 6 years because I was meek and docile.... I am a woman of many passions and opinions but they are my own and not ones given to me.


TTFN,
Lucky13

"Normal is a cycle on a washing machine. I have a child not a maytag."

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[Moose]

Moose hasn't stuck by me for 6 years because I was meek and docile.... I am a woman of many passions and opinions but they are my own and not ones given to me.

This is SO true and she is very opinionated and her favorite quote is "Take what you have learned from any book or number of books, any man or number of men.  Disregard that which insults your self and your very soul shall become a great poem" - Walt Whitman
But you know I would rather have her by my side than anyone else I know.  :nana: She is also very loyal and very knowledgable in many subjects. :kiss:   Hell she had jokingly called my bike a peice of junk and has also backed me on getting it fixed lately .  So if anyone has anything to say to her you can talk to me first.  :mrgreen: Although she can hold her own with any man I have every met.  Now you have met my SO, she has been unleashed on the board.  May God have mercy on our souls for she will not.

[Rich500]

Dont be so critical of how other people live. If my Camaro breaks, I fix it, or I pay for becasue I was the one who broke it. My parents did'nt break it, so they dont fix it. Same with my motorcycle. I dont have to get good grades. I can do whatever the f%$k I want. I chose to do well because it makes my parents happy. They reward me for hard work, and good work ethic. Look at it this way... If I dow ell in school, I see no reward for years, so I may say to hell with it. However, if I see that my hard work pays off, I continue to try. I get a car. I worked for something, and earned it. I may not have made the money to do it, but money is not the only thing of value.
I do understand the value of things. Why dont you not come on this forum again and be a critical Buddha Loves You. You only joined this forum (you have 1 post) to be a Buddha Loves You to me. So f%$k off. Go do something motherly for your kids. Oh, and when they get older, dont be some nazi mother to them. Reward them for a job well done. They may not be making any money, but they are trying hard, so they should get rewarded for their work.
Get off our forum, and go whine and moan on some forum to do with parenting, Buddha Loves You about my lifestyle there. With all the other parents who cant do for their kids what mine have done for me! Dont EVER be critical of how my family works. We are in all likely hood more succesful, more tight knit, more loving, and better citizens to our society than you ever could ever hope to be.
I know the value of life, money, and hard work better than you think. People like me (*kids* as you eloquently put) may ahve a lot handed to us, but you cant stereotype us as ungrateful or lacking understanding. If you can put that kind of label on me, than I can label you as a mother with nothing better to do than than Buddha Loves You and complain about other peoples prosperities. But Im not going to label you.  :nana:

[ashman]

Hey,
I have the same feelings about people my age getting too nice of things. For starters your car's value in thousands should'nt exceed your age. I see so many people my age in 40k cars, thats sick! Yes, if you work hard then you deserve the rewards. But for all of those who bust their ass to make it to college coming from next to nothing, they dont get that lil reward to help them stay motivated. Not ending up in poverty is their reward. So yeah some people may just be jealous but others just dont see why a college student needs an expensive car while some people our age can barely afford to live. My parents worked hard too, and are able to provide luxerious cars for me, but they dont. Reason: THEY worked hard to get what they have, lol not me. So if i want a nice sports car(nd god i do) i'm gonna have to work hard for it. I bought my first car before I left for college, I saved a year plus for my 93' GS. People dont like to see things just handed to others people esp younger folks. I'm sure you work hard, I bet you've had jobs and value money. But doesn't/ hasn't?
-ash

[JohNLA]

Rich (gotta like the name) :lol: I wouldn't brag so much about stuff that was given to you. It is one thing to earn your way and be proud but it makes you sound very young and niave to brag about being spoiled. Earning A's is not the same as busting your hump to pay for it, yourself.
Moose, you got a smart lady Hold on, with both hands.

[Casimir]

Lucky13,

Be careful, Rich is still a teenager and therefore still knows everything and is invincible. Stick around and post more, I like your style.

Rich500,

First off, let's keep it civilized, Lucky13 (nor anyone else) called you names or got profane, there is no reason for you to attack her personally. By bragging about your privilege in a forum where many people aren't as well off as you are, you were inviting response.

You may feel that he is willing to fix something if it breaks, but you have the reality of a safety net of your parents that will do it for you if necessary. You're proud of his "work ethic" but I *strongly* doubt you are paying for all the gas, insurance and other upkeep for your vehicles. If nothing else, by your own admission, you got them for free. Don't go on about "deserving" it. Your parents deserve to be able to give it to you, they earned the money. You are rewarded for your work at a higher rate than others. Most teenagers don't get sports cars and motorcycles for good grades. Again, your parents may do with their money as they will, but don't act like you much to do with getting a car instead of a PS2.

Having a job when you don't "need" to isn't a good work ethic, it's working because that is what is necessary to support yourself and your family. It putting in long hours because that's what is expected or needed of you.

Read a few message threads around here. There are people scrimping to make ends meet. Selling their bikes to pay for school. Riding 12 months a year because they can't afford a car. Doing without because some a****e stole their bike. I know, not your problem, or mine, but if go around bragging about what you have and how you deserve it and then expect everyone to sit quietly by and pat you on the back for being so brave to have struggled through high school.

[Lucky13]

Rich,
Last time I checked the sun was indeed the center of the universe. I can re-check my sources on this one and see if that has changed recently. That being true, it is an absolute impossibility that your meager brag session was my sole reason for joining. You (regardless of what you think) are not that important. I asked you a few questions and instead of providing the answers in a mature fashion, you proceeded to prove the point of us old timers about kids like you. I thank you young sir for making it to where any rebuttal by me was not needed. My personal code of ethics prohibits me from picking on lesser creatures so I will bid you good day and wish you the best in life.

Thank you JohNLA & Casimir,  for your sweet compliments. I appreciate your words more than you know. I never once considered leaving the board, Moose has his hands full with his project and I need the insight and wealth of information provided within this board to help him. I hope to get another bike soon we can take both our boys riding.

TTFN,
Lucky13

"Normal is a cycle on a washing machine. I have a child not a Maytag!"

www.autism-socirty.org

[Casimir]

Lucky13,

I repeat, I LIKE YOUR STYLE.  

[JohnNS]

First off, welcome Lucky13  

Rich...I don't know what to say. Your ugly post lashing out at Lucky speaks volumes about you. It saddens me to know that the type of person who would write crap like that gets to live a privileged life. I hope you grow up someday.

Thinking you are somehow entitled or that you "deserve" a car (or whatever)just for simply doing what you're supposed to be doing (grades, etc), is just screwed up. Your post makes it painfully clear that you are a sheltered, spoiled little kid....yes, kid. When you post a childish attack like you did, it makes it pretty obvious you are indeed still very much a child.

We are in all likely hood more succesful, more tight knit, more loving, and better citizens to our society than you ever could ever hope to be.

hahaha  that IS rich!!          

Lastly, well said Casimir  

John

[Moose]

Moose, you got a smart lady Hold on, with both hands.

Tell me about it.  I know that I had to hold myself back for going into a deregatory post war with Rich on that last one he posted.  So I waited to see what others would say about his posting.  I have only been active in this board for short awhile, and have read many helpful tips.  So I wanted to try and keep this as civil as possible.  Casimir all I have to say is that I loved the response you gave .  Lucky13 is cajun, so she also had to hold back from giving an immediate rebuttal to Rich's post especially when it came to what he said about parenting like a Nazi.   And as far as that I will leave that alone(EVEN though I DONT want to), everyone is entitled to their opinion and I feel that is exactly what everyone on this message said.  THIS is a General discussion board!!!!  :nana:  Well I am going to leave it at that and be done with this part.

Moose

[Lucky13]

Casimir
You're  so sweet... Thank you.


TTFN,
Lucky13

[Rich500]

Lets get everything worked out here....
I have no problem with some people disliking me, and how I live.
Contrary to what you people may think, I am not about money, or possesions etc etc etc. I like nice things. THats great.
Someone decided to flame on "Kids these days" which is cool. They had an opinion. What I dislike is as soon as I state my opinion, and put the point across that I am one of those kids, I get harrassed by some Mom and her husband. I used to enjoy this forum becasue it was free to say what you want and not get mistreated. Thats obviously changed.
I wasnt trying to "Brag". I just wanted to show that there are kids like me, who do know the value of money and work. I also know what its like to have no money. Me and my family have had to rebuild from nothing more than a couple times in the past. Dont generalize about kids. Ashman proved very well that there are kids who dont have all the luxuries. I am so impressed by people like him who do struggle through college to make something of themselves. Everyone is dealt a differant hand. You people bashing on those who are fortunate is as bad as me sayin "those f%$king poor bastards, using up welfare, dirtying our streets, creating crime". That wouldnt go over well would it? No.
Oh John, whichever of you, NS, LA, whatever...I am most definatley not a child. I live on my own, I work and go to school in Ottawa with no car, no motorcycle, and not alot of money right now. As soon as september hits every year, I live like the other half. Im 4000km from my family and all my stuff, and things. I take the bus, work 35 hours a week, go to 5 engineering classes per week, pay rent. I do it all. So dont tell me, any of you, Im a child, and a spoiled one. In some ways I am. Not in all. You petty people cant get past the fact that I do have a good life. You dont see the volunteering for the homeless, mission trips to mexico, reading to elementry school kids that I do on top of work and school to help out the comunity. Think what you want about me, and my family and "kids", just dont generalize that all kids that have nice cars and motorcycles and allt hat other bullshit are lazy, arogant punks. WE may be arogant, but some of us, actually alot of us do work hard, and contribute.
JohnLA, JohnNS, Ashman, and Casimir... this applies to you guys. Y'all have posted some great advice, and added a lot to this forum. I have quite  abit of respect for your knowledge and everything. Thanks for it all. I understand where you guys are coming from on this post, so no hard feeling.
AS for the husband/ wife team, continue to judge, it wont get you ahead. Dont assume what you see on the surface is all there is. Behind every punk kid, there may be a scholar, a volunteer, a hard worker, or someone who has been at the bottom.

Oh yah, the "RICH" in my name... well thats my last name. Byron Rich. Even when I was poor, it didnt change. Imagine that?
 
PS lets get back to talking about motorcycles. We all share a common passion. That is why we are here? Well exept for lucky13. Joking.
Take it easy! And try to vote in some democrats next year. Im getting sick of seeing people die at the hands of the white upper class American.

[Rich500]

Oh yes, One last point. I think I may leave this forum. Im going to see how it goes from now on. I do want everyone to know, I apologize  for offending anyone. I love motorcycles, the culture, comradery, and the experience. I hate petty arguments that end up like this. There are more important things to talk about, like ignition advancers, engine swaps, paint scemes, etc than to argue about $$$. I hope we can put the BS behind us and continue on like we had. I am sorry though if I came across as bragging. I really didnt intend to. So I am sorry. And I am sorry to Lucky13 and Mosse even if they dont accept it for what I said in anger. John NS or LA ( i cant remember) is correct, in some ways I guess I am still a kid   . I did let it get the best of me fro a few fleeting moments. If I continue on the forum, I will watch what I say, and try not to bring up issues that cause such animosity.
What it comes down too though, is I WAS a a prick, if even accidently by displaying my good fortune, and I did let my anger grab ahold of mewhen I felt alienated. I am going to take to heart what you all have said, for I honestly never intended to be bosting my life, I failed to realize that many who do not share my lifestyle take offense or resentment towards it.
Told you Im not a kid... Just joking around. I have to admit, in many ways as I have seen tonight, I do need to analize what I put forward more intently.

[Moose]

AS for the husband/ wife team, continue to judge, it wont get you ahead. Dont assume what you see on the surface is all there is. Behind every punk kid, there may be a scholar, a volunteer, a hard worker, or someone who has been at the bottom.

The thing is Rich neither one of us teamed up on you as you seem to feel we did.  Lucky just put her two cents in as did everyone in this message.  She did not attack you directly just asked some questions that evidentually you felt were a personal attack.  Even John LA and NS, Casimir have posted likewise.

I wasnt trying to "Brag".

Thats what it seemed like.  Even Casimir pointed that one out.

I take the bus, work 35 hours a week, go to 5 engineering classes per week, pay rent. I do it all.

That is cool that means you are part of the workforce and going to school to improve your livleyhood.  I am 26 yrs old and alot of people would still say that I am one of those "kids" out there.  Neither one of us judged you in anyway shape or form.  We voiced our opinion, non more and non less.   I hope that you will not take it so personal next time.  I also apologize to any and all for how the ending of this post has gone.  It took a turn for the worst and it was not meant to bring up hostilities between fellow GSer's.

[Rich500]

Good Call Moose. I will admit, I was abit of a bastard. Maybe alot of one!!  But regardless, I apologize! I hate bragging as much as the next guy, and I have become the bragger. That is something that I never wanted. Hopefully it was a quik stage. Honestly, if you knew how badly I dislike bragging...
Geez, I feel like a prick for stating how good I have it. I failed to show that I do have a place in the workforce, and I have done more than sit on my ass and get things handed to me. I can so easily understand how I could have been percieved as prick. Ill be more carful how I stae things.
Thanks Moose! I totally get where you are coming from now

[JohNLA]

CANT WE ALL JUST GET ABONG?

[Lucky13]

Rich,
No worries. I am cajun so I understand "heat of the moment" replies. Our youngest son has autism so we all have pretty thick skin around here. It took alot to come back and admit that and for that I admire your integrity. No hard feelings at the least on this side of it. Take care and best of luck to you in all your endeavors. Hope you stick around here, who knows, you may actually have the answer to one of our future GS dilemmas...

TTFN,
Lucky13

"Normal is a cycle on a washing machine. I have a child not a Maytag!"

www.autism-society.org