Cash for clunkers is stupid, but obama is gonna start looking like a genius.

[The Buddha]

Yea they have to "wholesale" the damn C4C's, and the dealers "gave" 4500 and charged 5+K more for the new car.
Yea now they can afford to give away the bloody cars ... They got a bunch of new crap off their lots double quick.

Go to a harley dealer and ask em what they do with jap bikes that are traded in. They would say ... oh yea, we get a wholesaler to come in and get that ... like it was garbage that will be got by a trash truck. In a way putting people into debt by "taking care of their problems" is the most lucrative thing there is.

I actually believe that the government is shafting the people, and is simply going to let the delaers sell the cars back into the local populace as "trade in'. That is in effect the best they are capable of.

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Buddha.

[bucks1605]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAOBlqUqUZ8

Check that out.

[bettingpython]

C4C removes usable vehicles from the secondary, tertiary, quaterniary market etc. A well maintained used truck may not be what everyone needs but if it has signifgant useful life left why are we wasting it and driving the prices up, I can take my used truck worth 2k and get 4.5k on a trade in the dealer pours liquid glass in the motor and runs it till it seizes. Meanwhile farmer George has a kid getting ready to drive and a good 15 year old truck would be ideal because it's exactly what his kid needs for helping out around the farm and hauling a trailer for his 4H or FFA stock. C4C is a waste and evn if I had a qulifying vehicle and was buying a new vehicle I would sell my used vehicle for less in a private party transaction to someone who needs it and could use it than take a government handout to bail out detroit.

Want to know why I drive fords? Because they succesfully rebuilt themselves and didn't go before the gov with their hands out like paupers.

[The Buddha]

Ford did some things that got them out of the corner they were in, and they were better to start with. In trucks they were the first to go to the overhead cam design. They also did a lot of stupid things, but some of em didn't bite em as much.

Chrysler IMHO is the worst. They were private, why did the government bail em. They should have let both GM and chrysler fail.

I like the PT cruiser and WTF is Chrysler thinking ... they are making the dodge ram but killing the PT cruiser WTF ...
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[bettingpython]

Ford had their oh shite we're in the tank a couple of years ago, they succeeded in bailing themselves out, so why couldn't GM follow that model of self suffciency? As for chrysler Iacocca saved them once with government assistance and the fed had no idea what to do with the money when he went to pay them back, how much you want to bet this time chrysler doesn't pay them back?

[yamahonkawazuki]

because of the UAW

[Juan1]

Basically we are going to waste and borrow our way out of the recession. Nice work.
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Buddha.

Sounds like you're praising Obama for using textbook Keynesian economics. 

It is too bad that Congress caved and didn't require that people buy new cars with at least 28 MPG combined, or cars made in America.

[yamahonkawazuki]

Basically we are going to waste and borrow our way out of the recession. Nice work.
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Buddha.

Sounds like you're praising Obama for using textbook Keynesian economics. 

It is too bad that Congress caved and didn't require that people buy new cars with at least 28 MPG combined, or cars made in America.

Most of the ones sodl here in US are made here as well

[The Buddha]

Yes 28 mpg ... cam any one guess what the target of the next cash for clunkers target mileage for trading in will be circa 2017 ... just after the next president takes power ... yea you have to trade in a car that gets 28 mpg and get 4500 and you can get gouged on a car that gets 38 mpg ...

Take as many steps as possible to get to the mileage the bikes get ... which will at that point in time be close to ~100 and as many steps as you can get the public to take on debt ... booya ...
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[jserio]

i can get between 30-35mpg in town and 35-40mpg on long highway trips with the corolla. 

[yamahonkawazuki]

im averaging 23-25 on "miss piggy" ( my ol cop car) IF i keep my foot out of it

[bettingpython]

I was really surprised to see that the mustang 2008 mustang GT qualified as a clunker with combined mileage of 18mpg... wtf? The wife consistently gets 18~20 in town and on the highway we get 24~27.

Another crackhead big government welfare program, Glad it's almost over and that my tax dollars went to buy others an econo box[/sarcasm]

[yamahonkawazuki]

I was really surprised to see that the mustang 2008 mustang GT qualified as a clunker with combined mileage of 18mpg... wtf? The wife consistently gets 18~20 in town and on the highway we get 24~27.

Another crackhead big government welfare program, Glad it's almost over and that my tax dollars went to buy others an econo box[/sarcasm]

LOL INFUCKINDEED , thats one thign neding. whats gonna take its place, and perhaps waste more? ( that scares me)

[The Buddha]

Oh yea 1 year clause ... The Idiot Kia dealer let my friend buy a kia with the buick regal he traded in ... he had 8 months, they didn't check ... and than god they checked it before they destroyed it ... however not before he ran 1700 miles on the kia in 2 weeks. Idiot dealers get shafted by the gubbamint. ... Love it.
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[yamahonkawazuki]

lol