Gotta get me a Flu shot TODAY!

[makenzie71]

It's important to note that not all vaccines are "unnecessary", however there needs to be a HUGE revamp on how and when they're administered.  No one here is saying "down with vaccines".

My point here has little to do with the story above...its legitimacy is ultimately irrelevant when you look at the ingredients of a flu shot.  The Government is pushing that EVERYONE get a flu vaccine every year.  My problem with this is that multiple studies have linked the build-up of Aluminum in the body with Alzheimer's disease.  Mercury and its derivatives has been PROVEN to be harmful to humans. There's half a dozen common ingredients in Influenza vaccines that cause harm when ingested.  This becomes a BIG problem to me because the flu shot DOES NOT PROTECT YOU FROM THE FLU.  Not as a whole.  No, it just protects you from the common varieties, and it still does not fully immunize you from even those.  You can still get the flu, and you can still get the most severe kinds.

So you run the risk of damaging your body with these compounds and you're playing with Nature when you bet all the horror stories associated with flu shots are not connected for the sake of incomplete and, possibly completely, ineffective protection from an illness your body, if healthy, can defeat on it's own in a week.

Flu shots should be given to people who have high risk underlying illnesses that severely complicate and further the damage of influenza...like asthma.  It should not be taken like a yearly vitamin.

Now, how they vaccinate children and babies, not that they vaccinate them, is an entirely different subject I'm far more concerned about.

[08GSSteve]

Correct.  The flu shot DOES NOT STOP THE FLU but it DOES reduce symptoms.  This reduction in symtoms especialy to the old and high risk people CAN make the difference between life and death.

"If every child in a school of 500 children had not been immunised and an outbreak of measles occured nearly every student would come down with measles.  Pneumonia will occur in 25 of these children through measles complications. There is a 25% chance that 1 child in the school would develop inflammation of the brain (encephalitis) as a result of measles.  If every child in the school was immunised correctly with MMR vaccine on average there would be 1 case of encephalitis every 2000 years caused by immunisation."

Quoted from the"Australian Immunisation Program and the Department of Health and Ageing"

Immunise don't immunise it's your choice at the end of the day, but nasty diseases like what I quoted in my last post will only occur again through a lack of immunisation.  If your child or loved one contracts measles or small pox and dies I bet you wish in the back of your mind you had given your child the jab.

or maybe not

[08GSSteve]

forgot to add that childrens immunisations contain NO mercury anymore and have not done for many years.  That rules out that reason not to have the jab.

Keep up to date with health issues people and arm yourself with non outdated facts to stay educated about what is good and bad for our kids.

[The Buddha]

A flu vaccine actually re groups your body's immune response into targeting the 3-4-5 current strains of the virus. As in, if you have a 100 immune response value lets say, a vaccine sets the, say 3 strains - you have 33 of strain 1, 33 of strain 2, 33 of 3. Roughly.

The un vaccinated person when he sees the virus, his body scrambles to convert the 100 into the needed anti bodies. However they already have a few cos they have encountered a low concentration of the virus in normal life. Pretty much that is what vaccines do. And when there is a different strain of the virus ... you dont have any bullets left.

Aluminum, mercury, lead etc etc ... yea I see a lot of crappe about how "there is no evidence that they cause autism" but remember that is all research conducted by people who have a huge stake in propagating the "vaccines are safe" philosophy.

Remember when cigarettes were called as safe, decades after they were known to be cancer and disease causing the FDA and cigarette companies still claimed they were safe.

Admitting that vaccines caused any thing is going to mean trillions in lawsuits ... and a complete loss of credibility on the governmental agencies tasked with certifying that.

My son in 2003 got a vaccine with full dose of mercury and continued to get them till we stopped it when he was 15 months old. There are many many many vaccines made through 2002 (the mercury free is from that time on wards only) sitting in doctors and hospitals freezers.

We are chelating him and he has made great gains. In his case literally every milestone he hit was on the heels of a treatment we added or modified.

Mercury free is another myth, its not free of it, it only has like 5-10% of the original amount.

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[makenzie71]

Correct.  The flu shot DOES NOT STOP THE FLU but it DOES reduce symptoms.  This reduction in symtoms especialy to the old and high risk people CAN make the difference between life and death.

"If every child...yada yada yada....

The flu shot does STOP the flu in most cases...or the strains of influenza it's meant to stop.  It's all the kinds out there that you're not vaccinated against that will get you...and no one has yet to say "don't vaccinate children".

forgot to add that childrens immunisations contain NO mercury anymore and have not done for many years.  That rules out that reason not to have the jab.

Keep up to date with health issues people and arm yourself with non outdated facts to stay educated about what is good and bad for our kids.

Mercury is bad for everyone, not just children.  Childrens' vaccines still contain animal tissues, aluminum, formaldehyde, msg, 2-PHENOXYETHENOL, and sodium dioxcholate....probably a few other nice compounds, too.

Srinath, they do actually make 100% Mercury free vaccines.  They're made in VERY limited quantities and you have to adamantly request them...and be willing to pay the extra amount.

[08GSSteve]

Yea ok I am not going to argue any more on the issue as we are all friends here 

Formaldehyde......Ok im actualy glad that someone said this as I was not going to go into it but since it has been posted.....

Who here drinks diet drinks such as diet pepsi, pepsi max, diet coke, coke zero, diet 7-up etc etc etc.....BE HONEST.....or chews sugar free gum.....or uses mouth wash......or uses artificial sweetners instead of sugar?

Formaldehyde (besides being an embalming agent) is also a by product of Aspartame and Neotame once heated above 37c in a liquid state meaning in the production process or in the holding and transport stages that can take weeks.  As I work in an industry that uses LARGE amounts of sweetners I also know a fair bit about what they can do to you.  Im not going into the chemistry behind these 2 (and there are MANY more I could list we consume daily) but if you are interested GOOGLE Aspartame or Neotame it's super poisonous big brother.

My point is we consume toxins every day and don't think about it knowing they COULD cause us harm, so why do we take risks with that but not with jabs that pose far less risks?

[makenzie71]

Who here drinks...

I don't.  Formaldehyde isn't even the "nasty" ingredient.  Point me to a soda that contains 2-PHENOXYETHENOL.  Of course we consume toxic materials every day...some even willingly.  Why do more for the sake of a "cure" that doesn't cure anything?

[The Buddha]

Through your stomach is very likely to be filtered out. Not to say its without consequence though, but its atleast 10 times less toxic if eaten.

Anyway I am not getting no vaccines nor is my son. I dont care how many people say how safe it is. There are a lot of people getting a slice of that pie. Its been around since 1930. That paid for expert oipnion cascades through the common people who all claim its so very safe. Get a vaccine cos all these other people want protection. Lovely, let me know when it applies to everything else in life. Die so all these other people can eat. Hand your house over to the government so they can build a strip mall.

Ride a bike so ... well, in reverse, the whole world has to be on bikes so the damn gasoline consumption drops, and the strain on the infrastructure is reduced.

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[08GSSteve]

Prove that it does not cure anything.  Don't just say it doesn't because your next door neighbour told you so or you saw it on YT.  Back up your statement that it DOESN'T work with facts.  3rd world countries that do not have immunisation programs (flu shot included) have a great deal many more deaths through lack of immunisations VS countries that do have such programs in place.  THAT IS A FACT NO ONE CAN ARGUE WITH which in turn points towards immunisations (flu shot etc) DO WORK.


QUOTE: "Of course we consume toxic materials every day...some even willingly.  Why do more for the sake of a "cure" that doesn't cure anything?".  That is like the pot calling the kettle black!!!  people will eat poison (foods) that may harm them and many of these same people refuse to have a flu shot because it contains trace levels of toxins but could save their or a loved ones life WTF?

I do not understand peoples logic with this and never will.

[08GSSteve]

http://freedom2question.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-there-antifreeze-in-vaccines-or-not.html

Read the article but if you don't here it is in short

QUOTE: Now if you want, reassure parents that no matter how toxic antifreeze or ethylene glycol monophenyl ether is, the amounts injected into their babies is so miniscule that they are safe. But don't say the toxic rat-killing chemical isn't there.

Also Ethylene Glycol the smaller chemical compound to 2-PHENOXYETHENOL IS found in soft drinks.  Every time you go to the pub and have a soft drink on tap (post mix) you are consuming Ethylene Glycol antifreeze.

[The Buddha]

Vaccines prevent disease - really, and you would attribute the entire difference between the third world vs the west to vaccines. OK sorry pal, I have to call BS on that one.

The biggest difference is from better sanitation and living conditions not to mention weather. Cold spells make things sterile. That in itself is huge.
The part of the world that has the biggest diseases have also very warm weather round the year. They have poor sanitation, water supply that is unfit for human consumption and no access to medicine when they need it. Vaccines do a little more than placate the western soccer mom that she has protected her baby.

One in ~75 get a permanent disability from it. But 100% of soccer mom's feel happy for shooting up their baby in the name of protection. Its simply put, good business.

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[08GSSteve]

Hey Buddha your statements are STILL unfounded and BS.  

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=9

SHOW ME PROOF TO BACK UP YOUR COMMENTS

Im showing proof and Quotes wheres yours.

One in 75.......Buddha get your hand off it mate the figures are 1 in 1000000

[The Buddha]

Sorry I was saying 1 in 75 have autism spectrum disorder, its actually 1 in 85 as per the newest numbers, up from 1 in 150 2 years ago.

Of course they claim vaccines dont cause autism, so I guess the number is 0 in whatever number of vaccines.

I am good with that sciencebasedmedicine.org ... OK thanks. You are free to vaccinate at will.

There is a lot of propaganda and of course there are people who believe the propaganda who do a very effective job of obfuscating the issue. To all of them, I say congrads, please vaccinate your self and dependents at will.

Remember, I am not saying that no one should vaccinate. That wont be good for herd immunity ... but I am not and when my son turns 18 he is free to get it or not if he is declared fit to decide for himself at some point in his life.

We will know 75 years after mercury has been removed form vaccines and everyone that was involved in it is dead. I would conservatively say, probably by 2100 we would know.

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[The Buddha]

And David Gorsky is well known and discredited on a lot of points. That site has about the same credibility as Ed McMahon.
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[The Buddha]

There are a lot of serious conflicts of interest in the whole autism debate.

There are speech therapists and other school supports whose livelihood depends on managing the symptoms. Since they have been told and the parents knew once upon a time that this was incurable and with their help the child can function in the world with heavy government assistance of course, they have gone and got a $$$ education to teach kids with "special needs". Those people do not want to see a cure developed nor do they have an interest in getting mercury out of vaccines.

The "autism speaks" Idiots have another long and storied past. Autism speaks was founded by the CEO of schering plough if I remmeber, and that was a response to his grand child getting autistic. His daughter, AKA, the baby's mom is entirely in conflict with that premise, and autism speaks is out there to direct the research away from vaccines. Of course its just a coincidence ... yea right. She is/was on the board of generation rescue. Pro chelation and pro vaccines = autism theory. Ergo, autism speaks founder is in conflict with the person whose autism triggered the founding of autism speaks.

Autism societies and local chapters of that organisation are there to work people with autism through the bureaucracy of the schools and govt. They have no interest in seeing their "customer base" dwindle.

The biggest blow to further vaccine = autism research comes from parents of kids in their teens. Chelation and DAN protocol for autism started in the early 00's and it really is still in its infancy. The way it stands right now, the earlier you start on the kid the better it is. So parents of 5 and 6 year old kids in the 00's were considered about teh upper limit and even so the movement didn't get very popular or big ... even now it is not, and many many parents have missed it or never heard of it. Those parents have no interest in seeing their children being the last ones left with autism.
Constant fight between younger kids parents and older kids parents. AKA those that need help, vs those that needed help in the past but are now beyond it.

There is misinformation from all sides. hatingautism.blogspot.com is the counter weight form the vaccines = autism side to David Gorsky or "the Joy of autism" site.

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[makenzie71]

Prove that it does not cure anything.

Even the vaccines' manufacturers say the vaccines only cover the most serious of the most common varieties of influenza.  That means you're still more than capable of contracting the majoraty of even the common, less serious varieites.  CDC says the same thing:

(CDC.gove) Each seasonal influenza vaccine contains three influenza viruses-one A (H3N2) virus, one regular seasonal A (H1N1) virus (not the 2009 H1N1 virus), and one B virus. The viruses in the vaccine change each year based on international surveillance and scientists' estimations about which types and strains of viruses will circulate in a given year. About 2 weeks after vaccination, antibodies that provide protection against influenza virus infection develop in the body.

That doesn't even remotely sound like it covers all types of the viruses.  It's a blanket statement that tries to make people assume as much, or at least that teh vaccines cover all the influenza types that will be there in a year, but that information cannot even remotely be accurately guessed.  On top of that, what about the viruses that the "scientists" don't forsee circulating?

[The Buddha]

CDC and FDA are funded by the drug companies based on what they approve. Approve 10 and get 10 million, only 1 and 1 its only 1 million.

Also they assume its safe and ask the company for effectiveness.
It does not compare to anything already existing and safety is the burden of the manufacturer, as in they are asked to show that its unsafe.

Its not a medicine, its a doctrine.

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[Toogoofy317]

Interesting thing my friend in Boston who is older got the Flu Vaccine 3 weeks ago. He immediately started with a fever felt "ill" for a few days. He finally went to the hospital last week. His platellets started out at 155,000 and within two days his has now dropped to 35,000 (which is very very bad). Tomorrow he will have to have a bone marrow biopsy.

Could it be coincidence or  I'm liking this vaccine less and less.

Mary

[The Buddha]

Its not the "vaccine its the squalene" (that I am against in addition to thimerosol and formaldehyde)

Now get in line and be a good little white girl and get it. And get it for your kids too. You do know that germs can harm your baby right ... oh wait, no kids ... still, you need to get it anyway.

Sorry nothing against white girls, but they seem to be the ones I see in all the lysol and other germ-a-phobe ads. So must be true.

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[Toogoofy317]

Uh huh ain't happening it has bought me 3 days in ICU once not gonna try and find out what's behind door number two. Might not live to tell that tale!

Sorry, but this white girl doesn't do what the sheeple do.

Mary