GS5 vs. Harley...Now, the Story can be Told!!!

[brickerenator]

 

hahaha that's hilarious

[tt_four]

my goal will be honda prius  under 5mph quiet.

Last time I checked, the Prius wore a Toyota badge. Good analogy though.

Yeah, cars aren't really my best subject. The only reason I even know they're quiet is because of that episode of the office.

[gregvhen]

The Office is great. along with the other NBC Thursday shows.

I wish I could start a topic that got the red lines on the folder for 25 replies or whatever. 

[dohabee]

post something about boobs, that would probably do it.

[bubba zanetti]

I wish I could start a topic that got the red lines on the folder for 25 replies or whatever. 

The trouble is, like this thread has proven, you'll get a lot of replies that aren't worth the time spent typing them. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to remove the baffles from my exhaust to make it louder so I can infringe on the rights of even more sheeple.

[newbie]

Are we missing the fact your safer on a super freakin loud bike? How many accidents are caused by people "not seeing" a motorcycle. Its hard not to see a bike thats so loud it sets off car alarms. Never had any problems being seen on the ironhead or the cb750 both with open headers. With stock pipe on the gs, people about run over me all the time!.....point and match!

[jserio]

several years ago, i owned an '88 chevy s-10. pulling out of a gas station one night a weld broke on the exhaust, disonnecting the muffler from the pipe. the truck stalled for a moment so i punched the gas to get out of oncoming traffic. it was pretty freaking loud. it's 10pm at night but it's friday and it was a main road in town so pretty packed with traffic. i got pulled over immediately and given a ticket for "noise violation."  I think that it shouldn't matter how loud your car/bike etc exhaust is, during certain times of day. now, if it's 2am and your neighbor is working on his racecar, then i could understand complaining about disturbing the peace, noise violations etc. i love the sound of a nicely tuned car/bike. when a 1969 camaro rolls up to the stop light next to me, i expect my car to vibrate from the sound of his engine. gives me a stiffy every time. it's a personal preference thing though. some people like it, some don't. we should just learn how to get along. i think there are more pressing issues in this country we need to worry about rather than worry about how loud some guys exhaust is. but hey, that's just my opinion. 

[XealotX]

I wish I could start a topic that got the red lines on the folder for 25 replies or whatever. 

You're probably trying too hard.

This has to be the dumbest thread I've ever started (which is saying something... )

Definitely doesn't take much to derail a topic and send it flying off in an unexpected direction.

[tt_four]

i think there are more pressing issues in this country we need to worry about rather than worry about how loud some guys exhaust is. but hey, that's just my opinion. 

It's the little things that count, right?

I wouldn't be that picky if I lived out in the country, somewhere spaced out, but the city is loud enough as it is. There's no harm in having the slightest little bit of respect for the people around you. I've already stated my opinion: If you're loud enough to scare my dogs, you're being an ass.

[allaussiegrown]

i have always touched with my left foot first. We were also taught how to slow ride aswell and using the rear brake for doing so. i dont make sense to put both feet down at the same time...  by the time i go o put my left foot down i have given myself the distance to slow right down and slow ride into the stop.

we were also taught to never take the bike out of gear whilst stopping in traffic.



i may be wrong here but i feel it is the most sensible way to keep balance and use both brakes effectively. you can put your right foot down after you have stopped.

it may just be a rider choice and how comfortable they are doing so.

[dohabee]

If you really want an awesome sounding, loud exhaust for the GS there is no substitute for the whistle tip.. Woo Woooo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSOSJ68xOBA&feature=PlayList&p=7BEFA0606FE70714&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=10

[gregvhen]

I wouldn't be that picky if I lived out in the country, somewhere spaced out, but the city is loud enough as it is. There's no harm in having the slightest little bit of respect for the people around you. I've already stated my opinion: If you're loud enough to scare my dogs, you're being an ass.

soooo, my bike should be quieter than my footsteps? is yours?

[mister]

Are we missing the fact your safer on a super freakin loud bike? How many accidents are caused by people "not seeing" a motorcycle. Its hard not to see a bike thats so loud it sets off car alarms. Never had any problems being seen on the ironhead or the cb750 both with open headers. With stock pipe on the gs, people about run over me all the time!.....point and match!

Ah the old "loud pipes save lives" chestnut.

# 1: People pull out in front of trucks because they don't want to be stuck behind a slow thing.

# 2: People pull out in front of motorcycles Not because they don't see them BUT because they don't care. It's just a bike, screw em, they can stop. It's the very same thinking that probably sees your disdain at bicyclists.

What loud pipes do is tell the driver... not that you are there, they already know that... but that you Could be and maybe even are a Bikie. A 1%er. And they do Not want to piss off a 1%er.

I'll ride my bike as a normal person and get certain driving around me.

I'll ride with navy blue pants on and all black boots and in an Official Posture and I get Different more courteous driving around me.

I'll ride with my leather vest on with club patch on the back and several other patches on the front and I get Total Respect.

Tin tops Do see you. And in that instant make a snap judgement... screw him, might be a cop, might be a 1%er.

Do this experiment.... walk through a shopping center as a normal everyday person and pay attention to how people are around you. Then walk through with your bikie gear on carrying your helmet and notice how the other people are Different around you.

Motorcyclists do not pull out in front of other motorcyclists when driving cages. Truck drivers do not pull out in front of other truck drivers. Because they know what it takes to operate those vehicles. Car drivers do not know and don't give a toss. And they pull out Despite seeing you.

Michael

[cboling]

Are we missing the fact your safer on a super freakin loud bike? How many accidents are caused by people "not seeing" a motorcycle. Its hard not to see a bike thats so loud it sets off car alarms. Never had any problems being seen on the ironhead or the cb750 both with open headers. With stock pipe on the gs, people about run over me all the time!.....point and match!

Do this experiment.... walk through a shopping center as a normal everyday person and pay attention to how people are around you. Then walk through with your bikie gear on carrying your helmet and notice how the other people are Different around you.

Motorcyclists do not pull out in front of other motorcyclists when driving cages. Truck drivers do not pull out in front of other truck drivers. Because they know what it takes to operate those vehicles. Car drivers do not know and don't give a toss. And they pull out Despite seeing you.

Michael

Very well put. (all of it really but I like these last 2.)
If I go into a store with the jacket and helmet, I have noticed the difference in how people recognize you as a rider / biker, 1%-er.
Right now I don't have my muffler installed (which is loud by itself.) and with the open pipe, it really has the loud and deep growl (which I like) but I definitely know it is annoying. I have also noticed that people really don't hear it until you are right up on them. Now, when you are in front of them, I am sure they hear it plenty.
Cautious, careful riders are what counts.

[tt_four]

I wouldn't be that picky if I lived out in the country, somewhere spaced out, but the city is loud enough as it is. There's no harm in having the slightest little bit of respect for the people around you. I've already stated my opinion: If you're loud enough to scare my dogs, you're being an ass.

soooo, my bike should be quieter than my footsteps? is yours?

Who said your bike needs to be quieter than a footstep? Do you have dogs that are scared by the sound of your footsteps? My bike is louder than my footsteps, but I also do my best to keep it quiet until I'm out of town. The unfortunate truth, is that the same people who love their loud pipes are the same people who can't stop revving their engine at red lights and stop signs shaking the sidewalk, and redlining their bike from light to light. It's people going out of their way to be obnoxious, just for the sake of being obnoxious. Cars may hear you sooner with a loud pipe, but the negative affects that loud pipes have had on the entire motorcycle community put us at more risk than the one or two cars that may pull out in front of you in a day, because now we've got people who see us and still pull out, and any various amount of stupid things I've had car drivers try to do to me just because they hate people on motorcycles. If you're paying attention, those cars pulling out shouldn't surprise you, put that guy in the F-150 that just tried to squeeze you off the shoulder when he passed you on a narrow 2 way street is your new problem.

[Toogoofy317]

Well, from experience as an EMT it seemed to me that the majority of motorcycle accidents where a car hit a moto seemed to be those louder cruiser style bikes. No, I didn't sit down and take numbers. The sport bike seemed to be the single vehicle accident and was usually a squid.

I really really do wish someone would do a study on this! Heck maybe once I get myself back into school maybe I'll make it one of my projects. Of course we haven't had any real motorcycle studies since the Hurt report which was right around the time I was born maybe before!

One nugget of information that was on the news tonight not related to motorcycles. 98% of all auto vs pedestrians. The pedestrians are at fault! This is in O-town other cities may vary.

Mary

[glynnd89]

Dogs get scared at a lot of things, or atleast go crazy at a lot of things.  I'm sure your dogs arent suffering from PTSD or something just from loud bikes.  They were obviously scared of some physical matter that came with a previous loud noises.  Maybe some shouting, with kicking that followed immediately. Maybe a previous owner or breeder.  Dogs aren't born afraid of loud noises, just like humans aren't born racist. They can be taught to not be afraid of the loud noise.  Especially since it causes no harm.

[tt_four]

One nugget of information that was on the news tonight not related to motorcycles. 98% of all auto vs pedestrians. The pedestrians are at fault! This is in O-town other cities may vary.

Unfortunately car manufactures have managed to get laws written that way. A rule that says it should be everyone's responsibility to stay out of a car drivers way are beyond me. I understand the physics behind it, big car vs. small pedestrian means the pedestrian should keep their eye out if they don't want hurt, but common sense says that if you want society were people are actually safe, you need to make the dangerous ones people the ones that can handle responsibility. As someone who walks somewhere a lot, I can tell you I've got to walk just as defensively as I ride a bicycle or motorcycle, because if you go through a cross walk when you have the right of way, and a car driver want to go through it, you will get honked at/screamed at/hit if you're not careful, and the lawyers at their insurance company will probably make it go away. There's a cross walk infront of where I work with neon yellow signs that say "Yield to pedestrians" and someone still gets hit there numberous times a year, it's discusting. Cars get off of the off-ramp and come shooting throug a crowded downtown still going 55mph .

Dogs get scared at a lot of things, or atleast go crazy at a lot of things.  I'm sure your dogs arent suffering from PTSD or something just from loud bikes. 

I don't know what to tell you. I'm not talking about overly sensitive or abused dogs.  My dogs are scared when something is so loud that it shakes my house. That sounds like a fairly valid response to me for something that doesn't really have the IQ to understand how an internal combustion engine works, or why some 50 year old guy is so insecure that he needs a screaming harley to feel ok about himself. By the time a bike is loud enough to scare them I'm already annoyed at that person for being too loud on a neighborhood street, and that's well beyond the legal noise level.

[mister]

German Shepard I used to own was scared of Thunder and Fireworks. I've known other G Shepards to be scared of the same.

Cage driver may turn their head in the direction of the noise. The car slowly goes that way too. Crash. BUT, I think before blaming That as a reason you'd need to assess the type of rider riding the loud pipes.

I ride with some loud pipe riders. And they ride to live. But others I see out on the road ride like they own the road and everyone else is an inconvenience that's just in their way and do some of the most dumbass things in traffic. They never ride off sedately from lights... they roar off - the louder the roar the better. Again, not all loud pipe riders. It's like a squid on loud pipes.

It's a bit like people who drive with their arm dangling out of the window. Not resting an elbow. I'm talking, whole arm dangling down the outside of the door like Mr Cool. They drive like dickheads. I see the arm and sure enough dickhead driving is seen. Not saying other people don't do stupid things on the road. But every time I see dangle arm I see dickhead driving.

Despite cagers not giving a toss and pulling out anyway, a lot of bike/car crashes could have been avoided by the rider taking different action.

On a forum somewhere was posted a video of a girl on a CBR600 I think. Four lanes of traffic. Far right lane was dead stopped. Next lane going left was Very slow. Her lane was pretty empty and she was moving at a good speed. Lane on left was questionable. Car on left hits brakes, swerves and locks and comes into her lane. She drifts right. Car from left coming over to close small gap across her lane and car on her right. She keep heading towards the gap and... over she goes.

The question posted was... what could she have done to avoid it?

My Take: She was going too fast for the conditions. Surely she had to anticipate a car jumping out from the lane on her right into her free flowing lane, yet, she rode as if this would not happen. Surely she could see the lane ahead on the left was stopped and the car on her left was still hurtling towards it and would either need to come into her lane or not stop at all.

Point being. As not at fault as she appears to be, How she rode lead to the crash. If she's ridden slower in the thick traffic... if she properly scanned the road ahead... no crash with her.

Not saying cagers are totally innocent. They aren't. They see you and move over anyway. Just that, there are actions we can take and positions on the road we can place ourselves that mean, if a cager does something idiotic we are still ok. Simple things...

Not riding in anything's blind spot. Owning the lane - too many moped rides ride on the gutter side, inviting cagers to squeeze them. Letting idiots go by. Not riding right up the ass of the cage in front. Expecting sideroad intrusions and having an idea of what you'll do if one happens. And so on and so forth.

Michael

[badguy]

Intelligent and coherent points. And so on and so forth.

Michael

Man, I think you're too smart for this thread, you're supposed to be calling people stupid and insulting them for not being as loud as you...