Anyone seen this yet?

[makenzie71]

http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,15988.0.html



It's fuel injected.  Screw you, Kawasaki.

[The Buddha]

Its korean ... screw you whoever buys one.

Though for sure korean crap prolly far better than kawi ... however its a V twin. hate that junk, parallel ... or single ...
Cool.
Buddha.

[makenzie71]

It's South Korean, and, as far as I'm concerned, if you're willing to send your cash out of the United States it doesn't matter which one of our allies it goes to.  The second a United States manufacturer rids me of my disdain over having to go to China for a reliable, interesting, and inexpensive supermotard or Korea for a reliable, interesting, and inexpensive entry level sportbike or hell Japan or Germany for something "cutting edge"...and so on...I'll be all over it.

[tt_four]

I've seen them, but haven't ever really looked into it. They have a 650 as well. Some deadbeat is trying to sell some on ebay and listing them as gsxrs. Some kid emailed him and he posted the response "rumor is suzuki makes some parts for them", which clearly justifies incorrectly labeling the bike as a gsxr. I emailed him to tell him he was a scumbag and he wrote back saying "ok".

Either way, not to much a matter of where my money is going or isn't.... but if I'm buying something foreign, it's gonna be japanese just for the reliability. I loved that triumph, but what a hassle just for a 'unique' bike. I liked the idea of buying a Buell because they're american, aside from other reasons I'd like one, but I still feel like half of that money is going overseas anyway. Nothing is really american anymore.

[makenzie71]

They're fuel injected now.  That's what you're missing.  So, for $500 LESS you get:

Bigger brakes
Bigger wheels and better rubber
Better suspension
Better looks (though that does vary per person)
More power (though there's not a lot of difference between 22rwhp and 23rwhp)
Fuel injection

That last one, and looks, wins me.

[The Buddha]

I think they are all basicUS made bikes are totally international ... like even the us made bikes are teeming with Japanese and korean and taiwanese stuff.

You're basic difference is whether you're supporting a Multinational fat cat that started out in the US 100 years ago or one that started out in another country 100 years ago.

Corporate greed has overtaken most anything american in HD. As is the case with suzuki, kawi, yamaha or honda ... or syohung or Kia or hyundai.

So ... with truth in advertising ... "HD, Support american corporate greed, where we kill Buell in an effort to stay in the 18th century and make $ off our ignorant customers for chinese made trinkets overlaid with the Bar and sheild".

Nice corporate slogan eh ...

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Buddha.

[gregvhen]

http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,15988.0.html



It's fuel injected.  Screw you, Kawasaki.

that link sends me to some forum with wire figure art. 

[makenzie71]

haha whoops...

http://www.hyosungmotorsusa.com/new_product/introduction.asp?Cat=RoadSports&model=GT250R&year=2010

Srinath...we should get together and make a real American Sportbike...we'll get a dozen other enthusiasts together...wealthy ones who don't mind losing their income...and roll out a competitive bike.  Sure, at first, it'll probably have to be a bit more expensive and some of the parts might have to be foreign, but lets start somewhere...

[Paulcet]

They're fuel injected now.  That's what you're missing.  So, for $500 LESS you get:

Bigger brakes
Bigger wheels and better rubber
Better suspension
Better looks (though that does vary per person)
More power (though there's not a lot of difference between 22rwhp and 23rwhp)
Fuel injection

That last one, and looks, wins me.

Still, I would wonder about the quality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqDzeCVkX0

[ohgood]

if it isn't rusting to pieces when you un-crate the bike, have a smoke. yesssss, NOW it's rusting to pieces.

they're crap.

[BaltimoreGS]

Read a review of the Hyosung 650 a while back.  They said the bike was decent but sub-par compared to the Suzuki SV650.  Most of the complaints were in the fit and finish department, they liked the way it rode.  They also said that Hyosung has built parts for Suzuki since the late 70's but nothing on the Hyosung 650 is the same as a Suzuki SV650.

-Jessie

[tt_four]

I used to love my old 2002 ninja 250. They hyosung looks better than the kawasaki, not to mention they're both worlds ahead of my old ninja as far as looks go. It was a ton of fun though, and I'd love to get my hands on one of the newer 250s and strip it down/gear it way down and make a fun little city bike out of it.

[makenzie71]

Rust?  Steel bikes will rust.  I've seen new GS500's and EX500's come out of the box with rust on poorly prepped welds.  I also think that the guy in the vid talking about the bike falling apart after a year is a bit unreasonable...I know a few GT riders and none have any issues more serious than when they bought the bike...fit and finish is poorer than Suzuki but you're getting a very comparable bike at a VERY competitive price.  The video is also of a Brit EX250...which is fuel injected and has about 3hp more than the US model.

I can't help but be biased here...I see shortcomings on the end of Hyosung but not enough to justify paying $500~1000 more for the EX (or the SV650).

[tt_four]

It depends how you ride, I can see his point. When I had my 250 I probably put between 10-12k miles on it in the first year, and when I took it in to get inspected it cost me $1100 in parts and labor for it to pass. It was all standard stuff like a chain, chainring, brake pads, nothing out of the ordinary, and obviously now I would've just done the work myself and cut that down to a fraction of the price, but 250s aren't meant to be ridden hard, they're build to learn on, and riding one of those as hard as you can ride a gs, not to mention a 600 will definitely have it falling apart on you.

[makenzie71]

That point can be argued pretty well...I've had two (2007 and 2008) EX250's come to me in 2009 with nearly 20,000 miles on them with just typical service work needed (pads, fluids, chain, tires, valves)...the same thing any bike would need in that amount of time with that kind of mileage.  That's any bike.  The guy should have an understanding of this and, with that understanding, stating that the GT will "be falling apart" after a year is a bit extreme.

It's hard for me to see an area of issue with a year of hard riding...again, I haven't worked on the GT250, but I have worked on the GT650 and I know many GT650 riders.  The suspension is the same (sans adjustabillity in the rear on the 250), fairings are the same, nearly everything is the same except the frame and engine.  Unless the frame and engine are failing, there shouldn't be any particular issues to the 250 that the 650 doesn't suffer itself...and I've seen very few issues on the 650.

[makenzie71]

I will say, though, just to be perfectly clear, I have not worked on or played with a GT250.  I'm not trying to say that they're a godsend or that they're unbeatable.  The bike is a great interest to me because I love V-Twins, I love 250's, and I love the features given this 250cc V-Twin that other entry level bikes don't get.

It just irks me when people claim flaws in a bike they have never seen, ridden, or have any experience with.  It's just like all the people who bash the Buell Blast, without ever having even seen one or having a vague understanding of what the bike was for, because ONE MAN made a website calling it a lemon.

[tt_four]

The other downside to formal motorcycle reviews, is that people who make a living in motorcycles, ride every bike there is, and spend plenty of time on and off race tracks, rarely write a review that really means something to normal people. I read all the reviews I can, but still don't value any of it more than someone who's actually owned a bike and tells me what they say. After riding a 2009 gsxr 750, they're gonna tell you that the 2007 gsxr 750 is heavy and slow, even though 2 years earlier they told you it was light and fast. They're gonna pick on tiny details, and often enough skip completely over the fun factor of a bike just to skip right to the power/weight ratio and quarter mile times. Even if they pulled out the ex250 and the gt250 to compare to each other, all the time he's spent on other bikes is stored in the back of his head, and that gt250 is really being compared to every bike he's ridden in the past 10 years.

All that aside, even if it wasn't cheap, my Triumph was still fun and fast enough for me, and was put together decently well, but still had it's own stupid problems that made me hate the bike at times. Even if the Hyosungs are decent enough, there's just no comparing things to Japanese products when it comes to finish and durability. You might think it's basically got the same parts, but there's a million parks on that bike, and even if it has to start with the cheaper nuts and bolts they used to attach that same suspension, it'll start somewhere, and most likely have a shorter life span.

[makenzie71]

Saying they might not stand the test of time doesn't bother me so much...but it's not like they're new.  Hell the GT's have been in the states for the better part of a decade without any negative publicity outside of the nay-sayers he say nay sans ever having even seen one.

I'm of the mind that you do get what you pay for...a lesser quality of fit and finish for an 80hp 650 that cost just a little more than a GS500F seems pretty fair.

[The Buddha]

haha whoops...

http://www.hyosungmotorsusa.com/new_product/introduction.asp?Cat=RoadSports&model=GT250R&year=2010

Srinath...we should get together and make a real American Sportbike...we'll get a dozen other enthusiasts together...wealthy ones who don't mind losing their income...and roll out a competitive bike.  Sure, at first, it'll probably have to be a bit more expensive and some of the parts might have to be foreign, but lets start somewhere...

Its already being done - its called Buell ... Oops ... OK its called Fisher and Roehr and whatever crap the chopper builders build on TV.

I would say that if gas was to cost more a series of economy bikes, think GS but smaller and more efficient engines, like 300-400 FI, water cooled motors in sturdy GS sized Aluminum frames ...

Anyway, without gas costing 10 bones a gal, economy motorcycles will not sell.

Without a motorcycle that runs over 100 mph and 100 mpg and costs less than 5K in today's $ it will get killed by the likes of the prius.

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Buddha.

[makenzie71]

Roehr is kind of cool...but who can afford one?!  Fischer is another way of saying "Hyosung" and Buell was another way of saying "Harley Davidson/Rotax/Porsche"...the first Buells were more along the lines of what I'm talking about about.  Everything was American except some of the electronics.

I would love to see an ALL-AMERICAN.  It doesn't have to be super-economic or anything.  Just an attempt would please me.  I think the only thing that really gets close is Johnny Pag...and that's sad.