Full Jardine Exhaust (was Vance and Hines Exhaust) (UPDATED WITH LINK TO VIDEO)

[pandymai]

im debating whether or not to get the system. i found it on sale just now for what looks like a good price. i remember reading that i'll have to lose my center stand. i use the center stand every time i work on my bike and the convenience of having it is unparalleled. but, i feel like i need a bit more power and sound (louder = safer as far as i can tell when travelling the 91 freeway in socal, and the power would help too)
i wanted to get opinions on exhaust set-ups from people still active on the forum.

also, anyone have experience with motorcycle lifts? any pictures showing how to use the lift with our bikes?

[O.C.D.]

I have my center stand still - will remove shortly though.

Sound is pretty loud actually which I like.

Remember you will HAVE to rejet your carbs as well.

With rejet/exhaust you may as well get a lunchbox too.  The combo of the three is noticeable compared to stock.  I say get the lunchbox cause if you ever get it later you will need to rejet again!

Jon

[pandymai]

yeah i've read plenty on rejetting and i know what's needed. just gotta commit to some form of action...

so the center stand needs to be removed? or just cant be put down because the exhaust is in the way? if the centerstand can stay, i wouldnt mind just taking the system off when doing maintenance..

[Kaizer]

I have the V & H and STILL have the centerstand. I don't see where the problem would be if you installed it. However, my pipes are different so that when I do change the oil, I have to take them down completely. Hope this helps.

[black and silver twin]

you definitely can use the V&H with the center stand, I do it all the time. if you have the newer model with an oil cooler you will have to remove the exhaust to change the oil filter. I have to do that all the time too 
If I was to do it again I would get the jardine system. its stainless steel and doesn't have to be removed to change the oil filter.

[pandymai]

you definitely can use the V&H with the center stand, I do it all the time. if you have the newer model with an oil cooler you will have to remove the exhaust to change the oil filter. I have to do that all the time too 
If I was to do it again I would get the jardine system. its stainless steel and doesn't have to be removed to change the oil filter.

so the full vance and hines supersport system does NOT need the center stand removed, and the center stand is still fully functional with the exhaust system on?

and the jardin full exhaust system is the same way?

[black and silver twin]

you definitely can use the V&H with the center stand, I do it all the time. if you have the newer model with an oil cooler you will have to remove the exhaust to change the oil filter. I have to do that all the time too 
If I was to do it again I would get the jardine system. its stainless steel and doesn't have to be removed to change the oil filter.

so the full vance and hines supersport system does NOT need the center stand removed, and the center stand is still fully functional with the exhaust system on?

and the jardin full exhaust system is the same way?

correct and correct, the V&H does require the entire system to be dropped to change the oil filter though, and its painted mild steel so it will rust in 2 years or so if you dont keep fresh paint on it.

[pandymai]

so the difference between the jardin and VH is: 1) stainless vs painted finish, 2) not removed vs removed for oil filter, and 3) VH has equal length headers. the price differences are also there.. but the jardin is seemingly worth the extra coin?

[pandymai]

i have a 1989 gs500ek. i've since heard the jardine can also fit my model, even though it's marketed for the Fmodels of 04 to present? if so, does anyone have any opinions on jet sizes i should get to? 40 pilots with 150 mains are recommended for the full V&H system with lunchbox filter. would the same apply to the full Jardine set-up?

[O.C.D.]

My V & H is OE from back in the day they came out.  It has never shown a sign of rust and the black is still dark.

[tt_four]

I have the V&H on mine. It's super loud. I used to hate it, but I've gotten used to it. I still wish it was quieter, but I don't hate it like I used to. I just try to keep the rpms as low as possible when I'm around densely populated areas. I also take off from redlights much slower than I'd care to because I hate that mental problem car drivers have where they think you're always trying to race them, so I take off nicely and shift low, and usually old people beat me off of every redlight.

I have a 1991 and I never take the exhaust off to change my oil. A little bit runs on the pipe when I remove the drain plug, but who cares. It'll come off eventually. If you really wanted you could just cut a small pop bottle in half or something to catch the oil from landing on your exhaust, but it's never been a concern to me. I spray a little high temp paint on my every so often, then when it dries I rub it down with a towel to give it a bit of a gloss. It's held up fine.

I think the size of the V&H is a little small, so that's one thing I think a Jardine might have on it, is the general appearance. Someday I'm gonna angle mine up more, and I don't think it'll bug me anymore.

I don't remember what Jets I have. I want to say it's a 135 and 40, but I could be wrong. I have the lunchbox on mine as well. Over all it's not bad, but seriously it's loud, so when you say you'd like a loud pipe, I hope you're being serious. If you ride fast you can expect some tickets, because it sounds like you're going fast even when you're not, and I rarely take mine over 5k rpm anymore just because of that.

Ooh, and center stand hasn't been an issue for me either. I just pulled mine off last weekend just because I didn't need it on there. If I need it for maintenance I'll just slide the bolts in and lift it up without the spring and it'll work fine that way. I did have to zip tie some short pieces of rubber onto the back of mine to keep it from hitting the exhaust, but I'm pretty sure that's because I was missing some kind of rubber stopper that most have, but the rubber I stuck on there worked perfectly fine, and I don't think that's a normal issue.

[pandymai]

anyone have personal experience with jardine vs VH with regard to the sound level? now that i know i can keep the center stand i have no real inhibitions about getting a new exhaust.. 

and im thinkin lunchbox filter with 40/150's like the wiki says. this just might be a very expensive weekend. xD

[pandymai]

so, just to make sure... the jardine full system will fit my 89 correct? even though it's  marketed to the 04+ F models?

[tt_four]

I don't see why not, the only difference between the years is that the newer ones have the fairing and the oil cooler, so there's absolutely no reason an exhaust wouldn't fit on the bike without those things. If anything you might not be able to fit an exhaust made for the old version onto a faired version, because the cooler or fairing could be in the way, but aside from that, the frame and engine are the same between the years.

Let someone else tell you for sure, but I'm 98% sure on that one.

[Ingersoll]

so, just to make sure... the jardine full system will fit my 89 correct? even though it's  marketed to the 04+ F models?

Yes it will work.

[pandymai]

alrighty so... due to a $50+ discrepancy, i'll be going with the vance&hines system and not the jardine.

current set-up: stock fork oil with progressive springs, rear kat shock.
very near future set-up: vance&hines full exhaust, lunchbox k&n, 40/150 jets, 15w fork oil with progressive springs with 1/2inch spacer

also going to do the valve clearances and oil change.

too bad it's all going to have to wait until next saturday. but it's definitely going to happen.. weeeeeee 

[ohgood]

alrighty so... due to a $50+ discrepancy, i'll be going with the vance&hines system and not the jardine.

current set-up: stock fork oil with progressive springs, rear kat shock.
very near future set-up: vance&hines full exhaust, lunchbox k&n, 40/150 jets, 15w fork oil with progressive springs with 1/2inch spacer

also going to do the valve clearances and oil change.

too bad it's all going to have to wait until next saturday. but it's definitely going to happen.. weeeeeee 

use        anti-sieze compound on the header bolts. put a diaper on the exhaust when changing the oil. don't need to remove it, just drop the header bolts. anti-sieze. anti-sieze.

[pandymai]

use anti-sieze compound on the header bolts. put a diaper on the exhaust when changing the oil. don't need to remove it, just drop the header bolts. anti-sieze. anti-sieze.

duly noted. thanks!

[SAFE-T]

alrighty so... due to a $50+ discrepancy, i'll be going with the vance&hines system and not the jardine.

For the sake of saving $50 you are going to be kicking yourself in the ass for buying a mild steel exhaust system that will look like it came off the Titanic if you ride in the rain at all in the next two years.

Spend the extra $50 and get the stainless steel Jardine system.

[tt_four]

wait, where are you putting a diaper?? I'm completely lost on that one.

Anyway, for $50 I'd consider the jardine too, but my V&H is still in much better condition after 10 years than people on here are saying yours will be in 2 months, so I wouldn't worry about that as much. Does the Jardine have an actually strap around the can where it bolts to the passenger peg mount, or does it back that weird thing on the back of it too?? I hate that piece welded on the back of my exhaust. Someday I'm going to grind it off and make a normal strap.