06gs w/23k miles cant push in gear W/the clutch in? dies in gear?

[da602krew]

my 2006 has been having a weird problem, it feels like clutch drag or something like it?? It runs good but when i put it in gear (with the clutch in)the bike lurches forward and dies?? When i put it on the center stand and do the same thing it doent die untill i reach back and stop the rear when by hand or use the rear brake?? another symtom is that i cant walk the bike while in gear with the clutch pulled in??? ive triple checked all three clutch adjutment points and its all good??? any ideas someone i know said maybe a shift fork?? I still have my original clutch plates is this a sign i need to change them?

[tt_four]

I know you said you checked them, but that has unadjusted clutch written all over it. Even if you think it's properly adjusted, I'd go ahead and tighten up the cable at the lever and see if that helps. It just sounds like when you pull the clutch lever in, it's not actually disengaging the clutch all the way. Set it so that it starts to disengage as soon as you start to pull the lever. That way you'll know it's in plenty far, and if it's still doing it you'll know something is going on.

Don't worry about not being able to push your bike. I thought something was wrong with mine all winter because it was doing that, and even though I've had the bike for a while, I swore I didn't remember it doing it before, but as soon as the engine is running it's perfectly fine. You've just gotta push it in neutral if the bike isn't running.

[da602krew]

ive adjusted the clutch all over the place, theres no slack anywhere??   i adjusted the nut on the side case, the top of the case, and the bar and all check out. Its like the clutch isnt fully disengaging or taking it out of gear or something? just dosnt make sense!

[romulux]

my 2006 has been having a weird problem, it feels like clutch drag or something like it?? It runs good but when i put it in gear (with the clutch in)the bike lurches forward and dies?? When i put it on the center stand and do the same thing it doent die untill i reach back and stop the rear when by hand or use the rear brake?? another symtom is that i cant walk the bike while in gear with the clutch pulled in??? ive triple checked all three clutch adjutment points and its all good??? any ideas someone i know said maybe a shift fork?? I still have my original clutch plates is this a sign i need to change them?

Experiment: tighten the clutch even more.  I'm with tt_four, sounds like it's not adjusted properly.

Do not touch moving parts with your hands (do not click if you're squeamish).

[da602krew]

okay i tightened it even more now i can push the bike in gear WITHOUT the clutch so i can probly assume its too tight and when i loosen it back the problem returns?? im at a loss here.....im not sure what it could be? i hate just lettin her sit like this

[gregvhen]

Is the clutch hard to pull in? same as always been? or super easy to pull in? if it feels like theres no resistance when you pull it, the mechanism on the left side of the bike where the cable hooks to may be busted in some way.  or (if youve ever had it apart) you may be missing that little rod that sticks out right in front of the front sprocket, behind the cover.  Or, your discs may be warped/cooked/expanded to where they still grab with the clutch engaged, or maybe not getting oil. etc.  id first check behind the sprocket cover, than pull the right side clutch cover and check that. good luck, im sure youll find something out of the ordinary.

[da602krew]

The clutch is firm and steady when u pull it not soft or loose at all, Its pretty much as it was when i bought it brand new 4 years ago. i can can feel it working the basket but its like pulling in the clutch does nothing it will run if i let the rear when spin in 1st with the clutch in on the centerstand but as soon as i stop the rear wheel it puts enough drag on the motor to kill the bike unless i give it gas. It wont just idle in 1st with the clutch in and both wheels on the ground.

[the mole]

Is it possibly a cable that has corroded inside, has a lot of broken strands and is stretching when you pull the clutch so that it doesn't disengage fully?
Or as someone said it could be warped plates, are you hard on the clutch? ie. clutching wheelstands etc?

[sledge]

If you are convinced (hhhmmmmm  )......that the clutch is correctly adjusted the next step is to pull the cover off dismantle it and start examining the plates and basket. Ensure the plates have not overheated and become distorted or stuck to each other. Pay particular attention to the tabs on the outside edge of the friction plates and the slots in the basket where they sit. If they have become worn or damaged it will prevent the clutch from engaging/disengaging smoothly. Note where the various spacers and the thrust-bearing sits as you remove the clutch. Some people will say the friction and plain plates must go back in the order they came out, I have found it makes no difference whatsoever. You might also want to remove the pushrod and ensure its not become bent or damaged.

The tabs are visable in the line drawing on part #7, they correspond with the slots shown on part#1

http://images.cmsnl.com/img/partslists/clutch-gs500-1990-eul_bigsue0048fig-15_2207.gif

[tt_four]

any ideas someone i know said maybe a shift fork??

I can't imagine any scenarios where it would be anything beyond the clutch. The point of the clutch is to disengage the engine from the rear wheel, so no matter what might be wrong with the transmission, pulling in the clutch should still completely disconnect that from the back wheel. It's normal for the rear wheel to spin when it's up on a stand just because there's a little bit of drag with the oil between the clutch plates, but not enough to stall the motor if you stop the back wheel with the clutch in.

when you adjusted the clutch cable, did it go straight from the previous problem, to this new situation where you can push the bike without the clutch even being pulled in? Did you try to start it like that? Does it keep the rear wheel from spinning even when you let the clutch out? It sounds like it's going straight from too loose to too tight, with no happy medium. If that's the case and there's nothing you can do with the cable adjusters you'll have to pull the clutch plates out and look at them. I think the mole is probably right, and you've probably got some warped clutch plates.

[mister]

Da602krew

As mentioned, not being able to wheel the bike while it is in gear and engine not running, seems Standard for the bike. Mine has done it since new. When cold, there is no way you can wheel it while in gear with the clutch pulled in. Warmed up is a different story.

From too loose to too tight is Very odd. My clutch is adjusted so it disengages almost as soon as I pull in the clutch lever. And while your plates would seem to be the obvious place to look, I'd want to know how much oil you have and what type it is. It might not be that, but gear changing issues sometimes come down to the type and amount of oil. So if anything, it's a simple thing to check - and - keep a note of for future reference.

So how much oil is there and what type is it?

Michael