How Angry Should I Be?

[JB848]

Like 12 bones for a bottle. Yes, intructions say use proper mixture Example 1 once per gallon (don't quote me) agitate tank if possible. Run engine for like 5 minutes. I let my bike sit for like a month because I was riding the other and I didn't feel like fixing my red one the one that was acting up. So one day I decided to take her out to burn off some gas and "wholly rocks Batman" she ran like a champ!. No hesistation, no sputtering, strong acceleration from low to high. Don't if it was just luck or what but it worked.

[muchADEW]

Like 12 bones for a bottle. Yes, intructions say use proper mixture Example 1 once per gallon (don't quote me) agitate tank if possible. Run engine for like 5 minutes. I let my bike sit for like a month because I was riding the other and I didn't feel like fixing my red one the one that was acting up. So one day I decided to take her out to burn off some gas and "wholly rocks Batman" she ran like a champ!. No hesistation, no sputtering, strong acceleration from low to high. Don't if it was just luck or what but it worked.

Cool, thanks.

[The Buddha]

Any "cleaner" will need the carbs drained after it is let to sit in the carbs for the time it will be cleaning. If you didn't drain it and it ran, it wasn't dirty to start with.
Its like brushing your teeth and swallowing it ...
Cool.
Buddha.

[JB848]

I defer to Buddha he's the man so I suggest you listen to him first!

[Electrojake]

Any "cleaner" will need the carbs drained after it is let to sit in the carbs for the time it will be cleaning. If you didn't drain it and it ran, it wasn't dirty to start with.
Its like brushing your teeth and swallowing it ...
Cool.
Buddha.

Could anyone refute this mans gift of analogy?

[Paulcet]

Any "cleaner" will need the carbs drained after it is let to sit in the carbs for the time it will be cleaning. If you didn't drain it and it ran, it wasn't dirty to start with.
Its like brushing your teeth and swallowing it ...
Cool.
Buddha.

Could anyone refute this mans gift of analogy?

LOL!  I like this one:

I dunno why people hate carbs ... OK fine I do know ... they are a freaking geeks paradise. Small changes, huge effect, easy to totally overshoot and create almost the same damn problem you had but entirely from the other side. Yea ... like having a all powerful chauffeur who only speaks russian. 
Cool.
Buddha.

[muchADEW]

Any "cleaner" will need the carbs drained after it is let to sit in the carbs for the time it will be cleaning. If you didn't drain it and it ran, it wasn't dirty to start with.
Its like brushing your teeth and swallowing it ...
Cool.
Buddha.

I'm wondering -- is just pulling the float bowls off and cleaning them a poor-man's carb cleaning?

And all that crap that comes up when I run Stabil or Seafoam through it, won't it just burn off? Isn't that what all the smoke is?

So, so many questions. I just want to tele-port some of you up to DC so we can sit around my bike and make it work, one bit at a time. Actually, better yet, teleport me to someplace where you all are at and there's a garage with every tool ever needed.

I'm at the point where I'm excited to start wrenching on this thing (I spent an hour looking at fiches on bikebandit today) but I still have that noob feeling of, "What if I break it?"   

Oh, one question -- i've got a cracked right crankcase cover (the clutch side) and it's missing one bolt. Is this merely a cosmetic issue, or could that be causing problems? It seems like a pretty easy fix -- a matter of unbolting three bolts and then replacing the round part (that's the only part that's cracked). Any thoughts?

[redhenracing2]

Oh, one question -- i've got a cracked right crankcase cover (the clutch side) and it's missing one bolt. Is this merely a cosmetic issue, or could that be causing problems? It seems like a pretty easy fix -- a matter of unbolting three bolts and then replacing the round part (that's the only part that's cracked). Any thoughts?

That is just a cover for the stator. It being cracked or missing a bolt shouldn't affect anything. I have seen multiple people run without it altogether. Every time I laid my GS down it was on it's right side, and the stator cover always got scratched up. So every time I wrecked, I re-did it.

Here is what mine looked like at a couple of different points:

[Electrojake]

Every time I laid my GS down it was on it's right side, and the stator cover always got scratched up.
So every time I wrecked, I re-did it.

Geez Red, Keep the rubber side down. No?
You could get hurt.

P.S. Nice bike!

[redhenracing2]

Haha, I used to have a knack for low speed low-sides. My cousin laid it over once too.

[burning1]

well i used royal purple motor oil and had no clutch issues

Not to be a duck about this... But Royal Purple is a bit of a joke in the oil community. Checkout bobistheoilguy.com

Really? I'm already experiencing clutch slippage (I assume the pull forward when I first start the bike is from clutch slippage). I used Exxon brand 10w40.

Sour clutch is sticking; that's the opposite of clutch slippage. It could be caused by your oil (a good synthetic will exhibit this problem less than a mineral oil,) or it could be cause by wear to your clutch basket.

Slippage is when you give the bike gas, and the engine revs up without a corresponding speed increase; just as if you were slipping the clutch.

[muchADEW]

I figured I'd give you guys a look at the bike. Even though it's giving me problem after problem, it looks nice at least:

[The Buddha]

Any "cleaner" will need the carbs drained after it is let to sit in the carbs for the time it will be cleaning. If you didn't drain it and it ran, it wasn't dirty to start with.
Its like brushing your teeth and swallowing it ...
Cool.
Buddha.

I'm wondering -- is just pulling the float bowls off and cleaning them a poor-man's carb cleaning?

And all that crap that comes up when I run Stabil or Seafoam through it, won't it just burn off? Isn't that what all the smoke is?

So, so many questions. I just want to tele-port some of you up to DC so we can sit around my bike and make it work, one bit at a time. Actually, better yet, teleport me to someplace where you all are at and there's a garage with every tool ever needed.

I'm at the point where I'm excited to start wrenching on this thing (I spent an hour looking at fiches on bikebandit today) but I still have that noob feeling of, "What if I break it?"   

Oh, one question -- i've got a cracked right crankcase cover (the clutch side) and it's missing one bolt. Is this merely a cosmetic issue, or could that be causing problems? It seems like a pretty easy fix -- a matter of unbolting three bolts and then replacing the round part (that's the only part that's cracked). Any thoughts?

Water and oil will burn off as smoke, but you get solid trash, like rust, specs of dirt and twigs (dont laugh, in India I definetly had twigs) ... will not burn, and when that is in the tank its fine, or atleast its less damaging than if it was in teh carbs. That is precisely why I want you to fill the carbs and not the tank too. I will not run that in the tank till yiou are sure there is no rust and dirt in the tank. trust me, tank can hold a ton of crap. All that ending up in the carbs is a worst case situation for it.

You remove the float bowl with the carbs on the bike - yea you need to try it before posting it as a carb cleaning ... cos its damn near impossible ... unless you have buddhaised the carbs aka - swap the steel phillips head bolts torqued to 600 ft lb for allen head bolts torqued to 8 ft lb.

What if you break it - well ping me or other people for parts, we got crap lying round from this and that carb ... besides you could mail it to me at any stage, I doubt you would screw up beyond redemption.

Speaking of teleport - you should come to the buddha garage. When you are about to leave ... find some cool audio crap off CL in dc ...

Anyway kid you wont ruin nothing that cant be bailed out. Easy and wont cost but 1/2 the bail out for goldman sachs.

Round cover is dry ... the large cover has oil @ pressure behind it. I will take that big one very seriously. Round cover - irrelevant till you crash, if you do and its not in good shape it will kill the ignition crank trigger, the advancer and the oil pressure sending unit. Till the bike starts to run and you start riding it its can wait. Then fix it. I sell billet ones for 35 shipped.

[redhenracing2]

Hmm, stock pipe. If you drill a few holes in the baffle it will shoot flames (not that I would know)

[muchADEW]

So feed it seafoam and gas ... mix it up in a bottle and run just to carbs, not in the tank. I know of people who have fitted a small funnel to the fuel inlet line and poured it in there via beer bottle ... yea I know of people ... yea ... wink wink ... people. Shhhh not that I would ever ... OK fine I put that in the bike I picked up in richmond, tossed it in the truck and drove it home. 300 miles of our country's bumps perfectly agitated the crap out and when I got it here it was clean and a whistle. I rode it the next day.

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After carbs are clean, if you still idle @3-4K, open the air screws 1/2 turn. Sorry you got hesitation - is the air filter clean ? That can definetly cause a severe stalling type feel

Ok, fuel inlet line. Is that #4 in this picture:



And then I just pour this seafoam (stabil ok?)/ gas mixture into it, reconnect it and fire it up?

Then I drain the carbs by unscrewing that brass-looking screws (the ones circled in green) in this picture, right?

[The Buddha]

Do it at the frame petcock not @ the tank. First drain the carbs. Remove the drain screws and spray some carb cleaner in there to get any loose crap out. Then put the drain screws back in.

The rear large line in the frame petcock is to the carbs. Remove the petcock from the frame so its hanging loose. Make sure petcock is in on or res - not prime.

Then disconnect only that line. And put in a connector and a longer hose so you can work with gravity.

Then stuff a small funnel in that line.
Then pour the witch brew into that funnel.

Then when the thing is full and floats have closed off - tape teh funnel to the side of the tank or somwehere where you can use it again if needed.

BTW the carbs - both of em should just about take 1.5-2oz each. If it looks like you're runnign bottle after bottle in there, it may be stuck open and you may be filling the motor or the airbox with your witch brew.

Cool.
Buddha.

[muchADEW]

The rear large line in the frame petcock is to the carbs. Remove the petcock from the frame so its hanging loose. Make sure petcock is in on or res - not prime. Then disconnect only that line. And put in a connector and a longer hose so you can work with gravity. Then stuff a small funnel in that line. Then pour the witch brew into that funnel. Then when the thing is full and floats have closed off - tape teh funnel to the side of the tank or somwehere where you can use it again if needed. BTW the carbs - both of em should just about take 1.5-2oz each. If it looks like you're runnign bottle after bottle in there, it may be stuck open and you may be filling the motor or the airbox with your witch brew.

Ahhh ... so, #3 on the below image. Nice!



Thanks for your patience!

-- Anthony

[The Buddha]

Its to be shovelled into the hose that connected to tube #3 ... if your bike is this far apart why aren't you taking off the carbs and then cleaning them ? 

Cool.
Buddha.

[muchADEW]

Oh, no, that's not my bike. It's just a picture I found on GSTwins so I could be sure I was using the correct tube. Trust me, this winter I plan on tearing the thing apart - I was just hoping for a quick & easy fix before riding season is over for me (I know, there's no such thing as an 'easy' way to clean the carbs!)

[The Buddha]

Winter ... what ... OK I'll bite, what do you plan to do the other 5 months and 29 days.
Cool.
Buddha.