Found a new type frame slider

adidasguy · February 06, 2011, 01:05:10 AM

I just found these on ebay. They are a frame slider that can fit the "F" without cutting into the fairing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T-Rex-Suzuki-07-on-GS500F-Frame-Sliders-NO-CUT-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20b700e4a2QQitemZ140509242530QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

I think they're a little far back to prevent damage to the turn signals but if you don't want to cut a hole in the fairing (like some of us did for the R&G sliders) here is an alternative.

If anyone buys them, let me know what you think.

(Toogoofy - see? I really don't have EVERY possible GS500 part and accessory!)

Suzuki Stevo · February 06, 2011, 01:08:46 AM

"07-on" what am I missing?
Shouldn't it be 04-on?

Shaddow · February 06, 2011, 01:14:25 AM

Shipping only to the US hmm I'm sure I bought bar ends of this guy. I'll have to send an email and await the response. They are perfect as my indicators are flush style to start with anyway.

adidasguy · February 06, 2011, 01:33:10 AM

Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on February 06, 2011, 01:08:46 AM
"07-on" what am I missing?
Shouldn't it be 04-on?

Remember that in Europe the naked "F" model bikes were still sold after 2002. We had them only 2001-2002. 2007 started the "F" that we know with the fairing. I think that's what they are referring to. If you didn't have a fairing, you can use the crash sliders/bobbins/thingies that mount in the front engine bolt (which is OK with no fairing or requires a hole if you have a fairing.)

noworries · February 06, 2011, 06:42:29 AM

Are the location points for these sliders on the case-cover bolts going to be strong enough to sustain a decent thrust/whack? If the bolts shear/strip out, do you think that movement of the tubular cross engine supports for the sliders is likely to do a bit of damage, eh?

Jared · February 06, 2011, 07:24:40 AM

Quote from: noworries on February 06, 2011, 06:42:29 AM
Are the location points for these sliders on the case-cover bolts going to be strong enough to sustain a decent thrust/whack? If the bolts shear/strip out, do you think that movement of the tubular cross engine supports for the sliders is likely to do a bit of damage, eh?

I'm thinking along those same lines... A good whack might cost you an engine instead of a side cover/some fairings.

Who wants to test them out?

MysterYvil · February 06, 2011, 08:04:36 AM

FWIW, the R&G sliders were pretty easy to install, in spite of requiring holes to be cut. Moving in slo-mo (as I was tutoring Mrs. at the time), it still only took 90 minutes.

tb0lt · February 06, 2011, 08:48:59 AM

Looks like a VERY bad design. It is dependent on the small case mounting threads in the motor (hard to repair without replacing lower end) and from the looks of it, the upper mount connects the left and right sliders. This will pretty much screw you worse than not having sliders in a hard drop because the engine casing on BOTH sides will be affected.

adidasguy · February 06, 2011, 02:09:51 PM

I'm not passing any judgment on these. Just making people aware of them.

it is good it gets a feisty discussion going For another 2 weeks, all I can to do is search ebay and the world for GS500 parts.

When riding again, someone else may have to take over the search job.

'cause my butt will be a straddlin' Suzi and Junior.

sledge · February 06, 2011, 03:24:44 PM

Quote from: adidasguy on February 06, 2011, 01:33:10 AM
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on February 06, 2011, 01:08:46 AM
"07-on" what am I missing?
Shouldn't it be 04-on?

Remember that in Europe the naked "F" model bikes were still sold after 2002.

A naked F??...hmmm..... well I am in Europe and despite having sold about 35 various GS5s over the last 10 years I cant say I have ever seen one. In fact if memory serves I didnt see the first F until sometime in 2004 and that was definately faired

Maybe I missed something though, have you got a pic of a naked `02 on F should be a looker without a fairing and with that gixxer style headlamp

Shaddow · February 06, 2011, 07:08:08 PM

In all seriousness my bike is fully insured sliders are more so if they bike falls off its stand (has happened once to me already) or at traffic lights I slip putting foot or something else equally stupid that I can pick the bike up and ride away.
Sliders like these are perfect for people like me. If I come off and it screws the bike, well hey its a write off and that's why I pay insurance.

Unsane · February 06, 2011, 09:40:20 PM

Quote from: tb0lt on February 06, 2011, 08:48:59 AM
Looks like a VERY bad design. It is dependent on the small case mounting threads in the motor (hard to repair without replacing lower end) and from the looks of it, the upper mount connects the left and right sliders. This will pretty much screw you worse than not having sliders in a hard drop because the engine casing on BOTH sides will be affected.

I came to the same conclusion as you tb0lt - but I'm in the market for some sliders right now and was not too enthused about drillling through the fairing.... so I sent T-Rex an email asking about the design and they have responded as follows...

Hi,
There is a pretty low chance tripping/pulling out the thread. The brackets are bolted down in 4 places: engine mount, the two case cover bolts and the another bolt that connect to the other bracket on the other side. You pretty much need to rip all these four bolts out to trip the threads. Ripping just one medium grade 8.8 10mm engine mount bolt will require about 2904 lbs. There is a formula to perform this calculation in mechanical engineering book [1/3 circumference X thickness X 80K psi(the approx tensile strength of grade 8.] Consider the weight of the bike about 450 lbs, it will take a force of 6g on the bike to break this bolt. You still have three other bolts. In a low side, there is always the weight of the bike pressing on the slider. The resulting force is the sum vector of this downward force and the pull on the slider as it drag on the ground. This sum force is at an angle to the ground. In other word the leverage on the slider is lowered in a lowside b/c of the weight of the bike pressing on it.

We have similar design on the 09-10 R1 except that there is only two bolts(NOT 4 as those of the gs500f): one engine mount and one case cover bolt. We have good feedback on the slider performance and have a number of customers purchasing replacement sliders.
Thanks,

My concern is not about the bolt being damaged... more the aluminum thread in the centre casing

noworries · February 06, 2011, 11:19:23 PM

Tx for the find adidas+ good follow-up there, unsane. It's stuff like this that makes the site so useful.

tundrav8 · February 07, 2011, 06:41:54 PM

Which frame sliders are the best for the GS500F- R&G or T-REX?
if you order the R&G does it come in a kit with 2 or do you have to order 2 kits??-- it seems the R&G also mount to the engine is that correct

Unsane · February 07, 2011, 07:11:23 PM

R&G website states the kit is sold as a pair http://www.rg-racing.com/browseBike/Suzuki/GS500_FullyFaired/All_Years/CP0158BL.aspx and they mount to the frame through the front engine mount

As for which is better

its all speculation until somebody lays their bike down and finds how how much damage does/doesn't occur. I am sure I have seen comments from other forum members who have the R&G's and they saved them from damaged fairings - a search would probably confirm this!

As for the T-Rex sliders.... does anybody have them yet or am I going to be the first?

adidasguy · February 07, 2011, 07:18:42 PM

Those are what I have and have previously posted pictures of them on Suzi.

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=54705.msg618508#msg618508

Shaddow · February 08, 2011, 02:29:23 AM

Well tomorrow when my pay comes in I'm ordering a pair of the T-Rex ones. He tells me he ships to Australia so should only be a couple of weeks and I can post what they look like on my bike. Might mean I'll have to repair and paint my fairings...... nah.

Pelikan · February 08, 2011, 02:49:52 AM

Wrote them about the '07 on thing. I have an '06 and see no reason why they won't fit. Assuming everything's cool, imma order a pair. The argument they provide for the unlikelihood of thread damage is pretty convincing to me.

Unsane · February 08, 2011, 02:56:09 AM

Quote from: Shaddow on February 08, 2011, 02:29:23 AM
Well tomorrow when my pay comes in I'm ordering a pair of the T-Rex ones. He tells me he ships to Australia so should only be a couple of weeks and I can post what they look like on my bike. Might mean I'll have to repair and paint my fairings...... nah.

X2

I did not notice that the front of the mounting bracket (hidden by the fairing) is actually bolted to the front engine mount - feeling a bit more confident about the longevity of my casing threads now!

MysterYvil · February 08, 2011, 09:01:02 AM

Quote from: adidasguy on February 07, 2011, 07:18:42 PM
Those are what I have and have previously posted pictures of them on Suzi.

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=54705.msg618508#msg618508

That was the post that inspired Mrs. to get them for her Jack.

They come complete (a pair of sliders plus all the hardware), and use a long bolt that replaces the stock front engine mount bolt. Installation was easy and straightforward. However, I found that marking the places to drill using a pencil was more accurate than the dab of grease or paint method in the instructions (only had to trim about 1/8" on one fairing, no trimming needed on the other).

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