Found a new type frame slider

The Buddha · February 08, 2011, 11:05:31 AM

I have fought with this thing for a long time. I guess I make it now huh ... cos my idea is a 100 times better than anything I have seen.

I guess I better get on it ... Would a $100 for 3 point guards with a +20 or so for sliders be a good target $ ?
Remember these are 3 point engine guards. Essentially the only kind IMHO that would work on an F cos they will not be very beefy - else it wont clear the fairing. Even without sliders they will save the motor. Put the sliders on and it will save the plastic in a low speed drop. Dump it at speed ... all bets are off, but teh motor still likely to be protected.

Cool.
Buddha.

Shaddow · February 08, 2011, 06:36:17 PM

I'm interested in your idea Buddha

Pelikan · February 09, 2011, 12:39:39 AM

Buddah's idea sounds good.

Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on February 06, 2011, 01:08:46 AM
"07-on" what am I missing?
Shouldn't it be 04-on?

I asked them, this was their response:

QuoteHi,

We haven't tested it on the bike but you are welcome to try them and if they don't fit, simply return them within 14 days. We will issue a full refund. Please do let us know if they fit so we can pass this on to our next customer.

Thanks,
Hannah

Guess I'll be the guinea pig. Don't see any reason why they won't fit.

lanesplitter · February 11, 2011, 11:19:27 AM

Just pulled the trigger on a set. They better be top quality and structurally sound for that price

. I'll post some picks as soon as I get them installed.

Suzuki Stevo · February 11, 2011, 11:28:33 AM

Quote from: Pelikan on February 09, 2011, 12:39:39 AMGuess I'll be the guinea pig. Don't see any reason why they won't fit.

04 on up should all be the same for the "F"

The Buddha · February 11, 2011, 12:08:06 PM

Quote from: Unsane on February 06, 2011, 09:40:20 PM
Quote from: tb0lt on February 06, 2011, 08:48:59 AM
Looks like a VERY bad design. It is dependent on the small case mounting threads in the motor (hard to repair without replacing lower end) and from the looks of it, the upper mount connects the left and right sliders. This will pretty much screw you worse than not having sliders in a hard drop because the engine casing on BOTH sides will be affected.

I came to the same conclusion as you tb0lt - but I'm in the market for some sliders right now and was not too enthused about drillling through the fairing.... so I sent T-Rex an email asking about the design and they have responded as follows...

Hi,
There is a pretty low chance tripping/pulling out the thread. The brackets are bolted down in 4 places: engine mount, the two case cover bolts and the another bolt that connect to the other bracket on the other side. You pretty much need to rip all these four bolts out to trip the threads. Ripping just one medium grade 8.8 10mm engine mount bolt will require about 2904 lbs. There is a formula to perform this calculation in mechanical engineering book [1/3 circumference X thickness X 80K psi(the approx tensile strength of grade 8.] Consider the weight of the bike about 450 lbs, it will take a force of 6g on the bike to break this bolt. You still have three other bolts. In a low side, there is always the weight of the bike pressing on the slider. The resulting force is the sum vector of this downward force and the pull on the slider as it drag on the ground. This sum force is at an angle to the ground. In other word the leverage on the slider is lowered in a lowside b/c of the weight of the bike pressing on it.

We have similar design on the 09-10 R1 except that there is only two bolts(NOT 4 as those of the gs500f): one engine mount and one case cover bolt. We have good feedback on the slider performance and have a number of customers purchasing replacement sliders.
Thanks,

My concern is not about the bolt being damaged... more the aluminum thread in the centre casing

Ha, I gotta call BS on this for the same reason as unsane. It will more than likely get shoved hard enough to pull the case bolts out. The end plate will just deform around the engine mount bolt.

Sadly I haven't contributed to the cause (case guards for 04+) so I dont have much to add.

Cool.
Buddha.

Shaddow · February 12, 2011, 03:47:45 AM

I also ordered a set. The cost is cheaper than allot of the other ones I've looked at so why not.

Pelikan · February 14, 2011, 08:01:40 PM

I guess I'll just have to put my faith in them being a reputable company and knowing what they're doing. I imagine if one drops/crashes the bike with enough force to trip those threads, the thing will be headed to the junk pile either way. I'm just getting them for any low-speed/no-speed gooberisms that might come up (fingers crossed, knock wood).

I am a little, how you say, miffed that I paid $15 for shipping and it took them a week to get them in the mail. At least I ordered before the price was raised (formally $69 + $15, now $79 + $15).

Pelikan · February 18, 2011, 12:24:50 PM

Okay, so after over two weeks, sliders finally arrived. With no instructions...

...and the rod that connects the two brackets is filled with rust. Looks like the bloody thing was submerged. Probably only surface rust on the threads, but is this thing gonna rot out on me?

[Poor cell phone image, but you get the gist.]

adidasguy · February 18, 2011, 01:40:23 PM

What brand did you order and from where? What did you pay?
Never had any problems like that with R&G parts. Parts always perfect and instructions included.
Ordered one other brand and also had instructions and parts were perfect.

Pelikan · February 18, 2011, 02:35:57 PM

These are the T-Rex sliders. Paid $69.95 + $15 shipping (totally gouged on shipping, and took two weeks to get here). Price has been recently raised to $79.95. Customer service is terrible.

I don't know about these. I think I might send them back for a refund.

Twisted · February 18, 2011, 09:10:33 PM

I ordered a set from these guys for my Ducati Monster and I was impressed with the quality. Came with instructions and stickers. The postage was a bit slow but it had to come from overseas but it was packed very well.

adidasguy · February 18, 2011, 10:45:04 PM

Which guys? R&G or the other one?
I know R&G comes with stickers and instructions so I'm guessing it was them.

Twisted · February 18, 2011, 10:47:22 PM

No the T- rex brand sorry.

I paid less than half the cost of most sliders you can get on eBay and these seem better made than the OGGY brand knobs that I have on my GS.

adidasguy · February 18, 2011, 11:55:45 PM

I've been really happy with R&G but those look really good!

gsf500RR · February 19, 2011, 04:38:18 AM

Quote from: Pelikan on February 08, 2011, 02:49:52 AM
Wrote them about the '07 on thing. I have an '06 and see no reason why they won't fit. Assuming everything's cool, imma order a pair. The argument they provide for the unlikelihood of thread damage is pretty convincing to me.

Yeah, all fairing bike GS500>04 are the same so it should be no problem.

lanesplitter · February 19, 2011, 03:16:40 PM

I went to install the T-Rex sliders today and discovered that it did not come with a bolt to fasten the brackets to the frame. The spacers are there but no bolt. It looks like I'll need a m10 x 1.25 x 16" bolt that is grade 8 or higher. Without it the assembly has limited structural integrity. I'm sending them an email and hopefully they will tell me it was an oversight, however, the pictures of the materials on Ebay don't show it. All of the parts do look to be high quality and I'm hoping this isn't a situation where important information was conveniently withheld by the seller.

Update: I just found the instructions that were delivered via email and they show the missing parts. Hopefully they will arrive shortly.

noworries · February 19, 2011, 04:31:53 PM

Frame sliders.....the more I look at the products, the more I think "if I couldn't knock up an equivalent set for $20 and what's in the scrap box, I couldn't have been trying..." And the more I look at the commercial products' mounting points, the more I think that Suzuki knew what it was doing with its three-point location case saver approach.

adidasguy · February 19, 2011, 08:38:34 PM

I saw the value of sliders today. My gym trainer came over with his GSXR1000. He had dropped it on a corner of wet leaves. We talked about repairing the minor scratches to the lower fairing. 1/4 of his right slider was ground off. if it wasn't for that slider, the entire right side of his GSXR would have been a total mess and the handle bars would have been bent & a total piece of crap.

Say what you want whether you feel they are valuable or not - but for him, they prevented having to replace the entire right side of his GSXR.

lanesplitter · February 20, 2011, 04:58:29 PM

I just found an email from T-Rex Racing advising that they had mailed me something and I'm sure it's the missing parts. The emailed instructions were in an email account that I use when I order stuff so it's full of spam and unsolicited offers of all kinds. Kinda makes me feel bad that I sent them a rather terse email about the issue Saturday. So it looks like they actually addressed the missing parts and instructions issue before I complained. I guess I'll find out for sure in a couple of days.

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