if guns kill people ( pic)

[yamahonkawazuki]

Or a syringe with air in it. could make your heart asplode! IF air is injected into the blood stream.

Mary

yes maam. ive gotten air into my blood vessels before, ( hospital) sucked ass or when my iv came out of vein but inside arm, my arm swells up 4 times normal size hteyre like WTF nothign wrong lol. my arm however was6" around

[Big Rich]

Just want to point out it was Chris Rock who suggested the $1000 bullet.

And to back up jserio's (?) logic: a friend of mine is 6' 4" and weighs about 280 pounds. Was a bouncer for years and started fights when he wasn't working. When the lethal weapon argument started, he said "I am a very large and intimidating dude. If you don't have a gun I can get you on the floor in no time and pop your eyeball out with a baby spoon. Now do we outlaw baby spoons?"

Just trying to lighten the mood......

[tt_four]

The point I was trying to make, is that when anyone brings up gun violence everyone screams about the 2nd amendment and that people can still kill people without guns, but I never hear any gun owners chipping in with any real advice about the problem. If you're the ones who know why every law won't work, why don't we ever hear any positive ideas out of you guys. "I know a LOT of people are being killed with guns, maybe we could try this....". You act like you're the only ones with the experience to be qualified enough to make decisions about guns, but you don't ever bother to make any.

Yes people die in cars, but we have laws saying you can only drive a certain speed, have to have a license and insurance, have to wear your seat belt. People die in pools but there are laws that say if you have a pool in your back yard you have to have a fence on it. No rules are perfect but when you see a problem you've gotta at least put in an effort to try and fix it. Do you guys see a lot of gangs buying up swimming pools and beat up chevy novas just for the purpose of killing people to really make that a valid argument?? Why don't I hear you guys yelling about speed limits and pool fences being a slippery slope to your rights being stripped away?? Again, none of the rules are perfect and completely solve a problem, but I haven't heard of any 10 year olds dying in the crossfire from a 2x4 or a knife fight.

[Jared]

Again.... you're speaking about criminals using guns for illegal purposes....by definition they are not obeying the LAW.... No law will make ALL  people not be violent or have the  "morality" they should. People breaking up fights ( trying to be the peacemakers ) or stop crimes get killed with knives all the time. Crossfire... where is open gun battle legal here.... again CRIMINALS.



If you pass a law saying you can't own a gun, or carry a gun or whatever- The law abiding people will be the unarmed ones. Criminals know this.  DC has one of the highest murder rates in the country- it also has the strictest gun laws.
Do the laws work? No. The efforts have been made over and over again.


Look at places like Kennesaw Georgia. Pretty much  mandatory ownership... low crime rate.

Who exactly defines what a positive idea is anyway? If it's not what YOU want to hear it's not going to be positive now is it?

My idea- Plain or concealed carry. An armed society is a polite society.  Criminals will likely think a lot harder about what they do if the result could be them getting killed. It wont happen but that's my idea ( and yes angry people...road rage..others taking your weapon...absent minded losses etc etc...). Personal Responsibility and Liberty is my idea.
http://www.wimp.com/truemeaning/

Maybe we should just lobotomize everyone so nobody will be mean and do bad things.

Ohhh Driving is a privilege not a right- the speeding...also LAW breaking -the laws are there. Swimming pools...also not in the constitution-and yes fences etc should be up...but personal responsibility (as Mary said) is the issue. Gangs buying up swimming pools- funny --the point on swimming pools was about people die- lack of responsibility there... Cars... they kill people all the time...yes even done on purpose sometimes.
   
When you can legislate common sense  and "morality"  into everyone and make this world a true Utopia - let me know- I'll gladly "beat my swords into plow shares.".

[jserio]

I'd also like to add that I don't think we need stricter gun laws. However, stiffer penalties for the criminal misuse of firearms should be enforced. The punishment for the crime has to be a sever deterent in order to bring said crime in check. Don't let the crime pay so to speak.

[aygee]

The main issue with firearms regulation is that it will only have any effect on the law abiding public.
Here in the UK (as someone previously touched upon) we can legally own firearms providing we can prove to the firearms section of the police that we have good reason to own the particluar rifle and that we are of sound mental capability to use it for only it's intended purpose.
Once you get the ok on those two bits, you are granted a ticket for the firearm you applied for and a small quantity (~200) of ammunition for that weapon, the land over which you will shoot must then be approved for the calibre by the fireams licensing officer.
Shotguns are slightly less controlled in that once you have a shotgun certificate, you may own any and as many shotguns as you like and provided you obey the law use them anywhere. Ammunition can be bought/kept in unlimited quantity but you must present your certificate upon purchase.
All firearms are listed on your certificate and also a record is kept by the local Firearms Licencing officer, if a gun is bought, sold, gifted or destroyed, a letter must be sent from both the current keeper and the new keeper within 7 days informing them of the change otherwise a large fine and your certificate may be revoked. 
All firearms (including air rifles over 12ft-lbs - yes, these are classed as firearms under UK law!) must be kept locked away at all times except when in use and only the certificate holder should have access.


Until 2002(or thereabouts, I can't quite remember?) we were also allowed handguns under the above system, however after some idiot walked into a school and killed many people (Dunblane) handguns are now completely prohibited.  Even our olympic shooters cannot train in this country! 
Even with these draconian actions by our government, shootings with handguns have steadily risen since the ban when all legally owned handguns were either destroyed or permanently deactivated...
YEAH THAT WORKED THEN!

After another idiot recently went on the rampage through cumbria with a shotgun, the kneejerk reaction is happening again with fears from all in the shooting community that shotguns may face even tougher controls... Meanwhile the streets are flooded with totally illegal uncontrolled firearms imported used soley for the purpose of criminal activity

[mister]

Here in Aust to get a Firearm License you have to...

1: Have written permission from a Land Owner - or - be a member of a Sporting Shooting Club
2: Complete a Firearm Safety Course
3: Submit an application form with passport photo, copies of 100 Points ID (driver license is worth X points, Birth cert worth X and so on).
4: Wait 30 days before they even look at it - note, in my state, any of the options of point one above will get you a RE (recreational) and Sporting class on your license. In other states, club membership will grant you Sporting class but not Recreational (hunting) rights, for that you'd need the written letter of permission outlining the land size and caliber of gun allowed.

5: After 30 days and assuming your Background check was clear (no DVO for instance) you are issued your Weapons License (note the word Weapon). And are now allowed to have a Category A or B firearm. Category A is: rimfire rifles & air rifles; Cat B is Shotguns of magazine capacity of 2 rounds or less (no semi autos shotty unless you have a Dr cert justinfying why you need that type cause you cannot use a conventional shotty with recoil) and centerfire rifles. No semi auto rifles whatsoever.

6: So now you go looking for a firearm. You cannot buy one without having a Permit To Acquire. So you go to the local police station and ask for an Application for a Permit To Acquire. You take this Application with you to the gun store. Let them fill out this Application and send it. If you have decided on the store itself, allow them to receive the Permit to Acquire. Otherwise, have it sent to your home and choose a store - the police don't like sending the permit without a nominated store and you may get a call about it. Note: If this is your first firearm you will wait 30 days before they even look at your Application for a Permit To Acquire. They deem these two 30 day waiting times as Cooling Off time so you won't be doing it all in a fit of anger.

7: Once the Permit To Acquire comes in, the store fills out the details of the firearm - make, model, cal, magazine capacity, serial number - and sends those details to the Weapons Licensing Branch. These details will be recorded on your file. They also record your license details on the form (so have your license with you).

8: The firearm MUST be stored in a Secured container that must weigh over 150kg (300#) or if less be bolted down. Ammo must be stored within a no-removalble separate compartment within this container or it's own container following the same rules as the firearm's storage container. While in storage, bolts must be removed.

9: If you require another firearm, you need to visit the police and ask for an Application for a Permit to Acquire. State the Category of firearm you want. There is no 30 days waiting before they (weapons licensing branch) look at it this time.

10: On the Application of Permit To Acquire you need state no reason for a Cat A firearm but have to state a Reason Why you want a Cat B. Full bore target shooting is a valid reason.

11: Private Sale of a firearm is not permitted UNLESS overseen by a Licensed Dealer who will record all details of the sale and submit to the police so they can update their records of who has which gun.

Sounds full on, right? And it is. And, it only effects the Honest people as most gun crimes is committed by guns which have Never been sold in this country (there is no record of the gun). And despite this, gun ownership is on the rise here. People are putting themselves through all this. And this is a far cry from how this state used to be (you used to be able to go into a gun store, show your  driving license as proof you lived here, and walk out with a gun - like buying milk - and even then we had very little gun crime).

Michael

[bill14224]

I think Rosie eats with a shovel at this point.

[spc]

I was being serious. If I chose to kill you, I most likely want to do so without detection no? So, quietest form would be a knive(kinda messy) or choke you to death. Just a thought.

Fun crap learned in Krav Maga moment:  A well placed and very strong kick to the inside of the leg will rupture the femoral artery, causing massive hemorrhaging and death within a few minutes.

[bettingpython]

Oh my I take a little time off and the gun rights argument rages in my absence.

The comment about doubting anyone hunts with a rifle like the one pictured is false.

During deer season the AR is my goto firearm of choice. I am intimately familliar with it and how it shoots because it gets used for training and competition several times a year. I know lot's of hog hunters that use the AR as well and many a coyote has been downed by predator callers using AR's

Making ammo expensive actually has been attempted, many commercial reloading firms for .308, .223 and 9mm ammo use once fired military brass to reload and sell, there have been a couple of attemtps to require that brass be demil'd so it could not be used for reloading and would only be good as scrap metal. This caused shortages just as supplies were returning to reasonable levels of availability for those rounds which drove costs up. I think that battle has been fought and lost by the ,gov 3 times now.

It's called backdoor gun control and it's even more insidious than outrigth attempts at firearms bans.

[bettingpython]

Oh andf a quick bit of information the AR AR-15 does not stand for assault rifle it actually stands for Armalite Rifle, Real AR's are built by Armalite anything else is just a pattern of it.

[Vova]

My guns kill people like crazy! Oh wait... .22LR is not pictured. Funny thing is, anti's would never guess that brown one right there is far more lethal and dangerous than the scary black one. That would be the exact model used on Myth Buster to punch through two pains of bullet proof glass .

Do not get to shoot too often, I used to shoot the USP (pistol) weekly, and carried, but shoot rarely now. I can shoot at my dad's department range for free (he is a cop), but we go very rarely (but I cannot bring myself to pay for a range when I can go there for free).

The AR is a hoot, only shot it a couple times, bought it post-Obama hysteria (kind of regret that now, gosh did I overpay ). Need new optics for it though, the 4x Osprey I have for it is terrible (maybe defective?) It's on target, but the aperture is awful (80% of it is blurred hard-core).

EDIT: Almost forgot.
1- Oly Arms K16 .223 (local manufacturer here in Washington)
2- Springfield M1903
3- H&K USPc 9mm

They haven't killed anyone yet, even by accident!

I think Rosie eats with a shovel at this point.

[yamahonkawazuki]

hell that brown one has almost twice the barrel length. got to shoot one of these a month back, pricy as hell to shoot. so i got 10 rounds out of it

not me in pic