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Started by zkbuck, June 27, 2011, 03:53:12 PM

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ben2go

Quote from: Big Rich on July 07, 2011, 08:21:59 AM
How far into the motor are you planning on going? Pulling the heads off, side covers, oil pan, etc is fairly easy (also where most oil leaks come from). If you pull the cylinders get a new base gasket and piston rings. I advise against splitting the cases if you don't have to.

I think Ben2Go has a good write up on carb parts + tuning theory. Read as much as possible on carbs and tuning them before pulling them apart and making changes.

Carbs http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=56601.0

I wouldn't split the case.The case halves use a special bonding adhesive to seal them.They can be a pain in the @$$ to get to reseal.
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zkbuck

Quote from: Big Rich on July 07, 2011, 08:21:59 AM
How far into the motor are you planning on going? Pulling the heads off, side covers, oil pan, etc is fairly easy (also where most oil leaks come from). If you pull the cylinders get a new base gasket and piston rings. I advise against splitting the cases if you don't have to.

I think Ben2Go has a good write up on carb parts + tuning theory. Read as much as possible on carbs and tuning them before pulling them apart and making changes.

I read that carbs write up and it doesn't say anything about why that washer is there, so I'm really not sure and i don't know anyone who knows.

as for the tare down and leaks it looks like most of the leaks are comming from the oil pan and under the top end, i would imagine that there is alot wrong with the seals since it sat in a lean-to uncovered in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan for 2 years. but it's a nice beginner 98' project that i picked up for $200, so i cant complain too much
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Big Rich

Perfect price to start with.......

If it's the washer I'm think of, it raises the needle which allows more gas in all the time. Once the slide raises, the needle is already slightly higher, and bigger jets squirt more gas. But the needle is (mostly) used up to about 3/4 throttle. After that, the main jet becomes the most important. Forgive me if I skipped over it: but if you have an aftermarket intake, the washer should be there.
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zkbuck

Quote from: Big Rich on July 07, 2011, 10:55:19 AM
Perfect price to start with.......

If it's the washer I'm think of, it raises the needle which allows more gas in all the time. Once the slide raises, the needle is already slightly higher, and bigger jets squirt more gas. But the needle is (mostly) used up to about 3/4 throttle. After that, the main jet becomes the most important. Forgive me if I skipped over it: but if you have an aftermarket intake, the washer should be there.

That would ecplain the washers...I guess i need to make a trip to the hardwear store and find one that is the same size as the one i have. thank you very much
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ben2go

Quote from: ben2go on July 06, 2011, 08:42:45 AM
If there is a washer between the plastic spacer and the E clip,it's there to richen part throttle and mid range power.If it's above the top of the clip then it really has no effect that I know of.It may slow down the slides when they rise.



zbuck did you read my post about the washers?
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zkbuck

Quote from: ben2go on July 07, 2011, 03:17:02 PM
Quote from: ben2go on July 06, 2011, 08:42:45 AM
If there is a washer between the plastic spacer and the E clip,it's there to richen part throttle and mid range power.If it's above the top of the clip then it really has no effect that I know of.It may slow down the slides when they rise.



zbuck did you read my post about the washers?

Yes i did, the washer is ontop of the E clip under the plastic Gromit thing
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joshr08

if you want to do it right you need to mic the washers to get the exact same thinkness washer on both carbs.
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zkbuck

Quote from: joshr08 on July 08, 2011, 04:28:41 AM
if you want to do it right you need to mic the washers to get the exact same thinkness washer on both carbs.

Already done!  :thumb: I work as an engineer for a machine shop so that was the first thing i did before going on a hunt through our stock of washers to find a replacement  ;)
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crzydood17

bets on PO didnt understand how to shim and was like hmmm i guess i just throw a washer in here...
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ben2go

Quote from: crzydood17 on July 08, 2011, 05:41:01 AM
bets on PO didnt understand how to shim and was like hmmm i guess i just throw a washer in here...

I've seen that before.
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zkbuck

so should i put the shims back where they were or on the bottom side of the E clip or just leave them alone?
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weedahoe

Quote from: zkbuck on June 27, 2011, 07:45:32 PM
i'm thinking a full tear down and rebuild, i have alot of problems with the engine i took it to a dealer and they said it was too modifed for them to want to touch it so i'm going to do it myself

Im curious as to what all is modified on it to be too much. Seems there is only so much you can do on them
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zkbuck

Quote from: weedahoe on August 03, 2011, 04:44:25 AM
Quote from: zkbuck on June 27, 2011, 07:45:32 PM
i'm thinking a full tear down and rebuild, i have alot of problems with the engine i took it to a dealer and they said it was too modifed for them to want to touch it so i'm going to do it myself

Im curious as to what all is modified on it to be too much. Seems there is only so much you can do on them

All that you can see from the outside is the K&N Lunch box and the Yoshi Exaust, what i have found other wise is that it has been re-jetted but that is really not that much. i think they just didnt want to deal with the problem it was haveing
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Pigeonroost

Sounds like all ya need to do is to acid wash the fuel tank, coat it with a fuel tank lilning product, replace fuel lines, clean carbs, get the correct washer shim(s) on the needle, replace the valve cover gasket, new oil filter and filter cover gasket, and t hen check for any other leaks after riding on new oil.  Do some search here to get the 411 on the wahers, I think most MC carb mods are done with Radio Shack washer kits.  Oil pan leaking? Maybe case halves leaking; but probably not.

You will have mechanicing adventure enough just doing the valve tune-up and other scuh tasks, don't make work for yourself and the first rule is NOT to make matters worse!

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zkbuck

there was a leak at the head gasket and i also did the side covers, oil pan, oil filter, and cleaned the carbs, really not that much work. the problem is it's my friend's step dad's garage and i can only work on it 1 day a week. also i keep breaking parts and waiting on those, but it's just about done as soon as i get this last timing chain bolt in from cheap cycle
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