sheared engine mount bolt, how screwed am I???

[Dr.McNinja]

I always inspect the seller. People like sledge make me always want to buy off a dealer.

On the basis of that comment can I assume you believe that all dealers are as honest as the day is long and never ever ever pull tricks such as the one I suggested??

If so please excuse me while I.................

WWWWWWAWAAAAAHHAHAHHHHHAHAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA!!

You buy a used bike you take a chance, regardless of who takes your cash 

Oh and BTW......

"Second question: how do I go about inspecting my chain and sprocket? I've never really seen a damaged/worn sprocket before."

Given this comment of yours from an earlier thread can I ask what you spend this claimed hour actually looking at?? If by your own admission you dont know what a worn sprocket........ perhaps the most obvious visual defect there is.......actually looks like why are you commenting on what to look for when buying a used bike???

Not going to get goaded by a washed up mechanic trolling to keep his e-peen huge.

[sledge]

Not going to get goaded by a washed up mechanic trolling to keep his e-peen huge.

Washed up mechanic?? huge e-peen??

Now that IS irony for you 

[sledge]

So tell us what you spend this hour doing, undoing and refastening every bolt and screw you can see? checking every electrical connection? exhaustive checks on compression and oil pressure? checking the freeplay and float in every bearing?.....but at the same time overlooking the obvious ie worn sprockets??

...and you call me a washed up mechanic?

Another one who is full of it 

[burning1]

Can we move this to the Tard forum, please?

[mister]

Can we move this to the Tard forum, please?

One or two posts go "odd" lets say, and suddenly you want the entire thread TFed? C'mon, I think we can handle a few posts, eh?

Michael

[adidasguy]

Can we move this to the Tard forum, please?

Go ride, have some beers. Stop posting here and this thread will die a natural death. In a day or two it will be bumped down so far you'll have to work to find it.

[sledge]

Attention please.......

Will everyone who has ever bought a used GS500E and can say hand on heart with 100% certaintly that they know for a fact that EVERY bolt/screw/nut on that bike has a sound and undamaged thread holding it in please raise their hand.....That includes YOU TOO Dr Mc Minger....hehehe.

[gs500e]

Attention please.......

Will everyone who has ever bought a used GS500E and can say hand on heart with 100% certaintly that they know for a fact that EVERY bolt/screw/nut on that bike has a sound and undamaged thread holding it in please raise their hand.....That includes YOU TOO Dr Mc Minger....hehehe.

Are you suggesting he should knowingly lie, which technically is fraud and very much illegal and also run the risk of having insurance coverage withdrawn in the event of an accident?

Dont make the mistake of thinking the purchasers are daft, they are not, they know what goes on, they know people tell lies, they know what to look for when they make their  inspections and they know how to avoid having to pay out large amounts of their money.


Oh, wait... that wasn't my hand.

[noiseguy]

Pff. I would never catch a glued-in bolt on inspection. Missing, yes, and a glued in bolt would probably fall out. So there's that.

I think OP's got enough to go on now. Let us know how it goes.

[burning1]

One or two posts go "odd" lets say, and suddenly you want the entire thread TFed? C'mon, I think we can handle a few posts, eh?

Michael

Threads can usually be split. Discussions can move.

[gtscott]

being a auto mech myself i see alot more dodgy cover ups from mech workshop than from homejobs, people start to strip a thread out when doing there own work at home and they panic and go try to get it fixed, a mechanic does it and half the time the idiots crossthread the bolt all the way in so the parts half secured,

[burning1]

Similar story from the computer industry...

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Sometimes_the_dealer_is_the_problem.txt

[sledge]

Dont make the mistake of thinking the purchasers are daft, they are not, they know what goes on, they know people tell lies, they know what to look for when they make their  inspections

Which explains the multitude and constant amount of  `What should I look for when buying a used bike` and `I just bought a used bike and....` Type threads that we see in here .......right?

Fact is NO seller is to be trusted and ALL buyers are daft, it just depends on the amount of honesty and daftness those involved possess and display. This in turn usually depends on how desperate they are to buy/sell the bike and the amount of money those involved stand to loose or gain in turn. Can you say you have never avoided an issue or been economical with the facts in an attempt to gain an advantage in a situation, particularly one that involves cash landing in your pocket?......... if you say no I will call BS.

Your comment also begs the question where to draw the line when it comes to inspections??Well........  I have seen some clued up and competent buyers in my time who have looked for and at the right things and followed it all up with the right questions but I have yet to see one who wanted to systematically remove every fastening then drop a plug gauge in there and follow it up with a pull-out test, particularly on the ones that are out of site.

Lets be honest, did you check each and every bolt on your bike when you bought it and can you say for sure that none of them have been glued in because I will also call BS if you say yes. Thats what makes it all so funny, you having a pop at me for making the suggestion but at the same time knowing YOU could have been ripped off this way.....(and may well now consider doing it yourself if the situation should demand it )

But....in saying that some good has come of all this because now that I have highlighted what is an all too common trick I am sure you and perhaps others have learned something and will pay more attention to the possibility of glued in bolts next time you buy a used bike 

[lucky4034]

I'm not sure what being capable of discovering glued bolts has to do with this discussion?  I'm sure there are a million little dirtbag tricks a seller can do to mask problems from buyers, but I can't see why condoning dirtbag behavior on this forum should be acceptable?

No offense sledge... because I think you were likely joking when you made the comment, but would you like to buy a bike that some dirtbag glued sheared bolts in?  Of course not....  And I would hope if I ever buy a bike from someone on this forum, that they don't sell me one like that either. 

Being that this is a community set aside to help GS owners... I think we ALL can agree that its a bit irresponsible to condone scamming a potential future GStwin member right? 

So instead of hijacking this thread and turning shifting the focus on a bunch of senseless pissing... why not just call it a poor joke and move on?

[sledge]

No offense sledge... because I think you were likely joking when you made the comment, but would you like to buy a bike that some dirtbag glued sheared bolts in?  Of course not.... 

Hey....non taken  but I wasnt joking 

I have unkowingly bought bikes in the past with glued in bolts as have countless others....but I always learned something from the experience, in more ways than one 

I guarantee you that there are GS5 owners in here running round with glued in bolts that they dont know about and probably never will and if you personaly would be prepared to tell a prosepctive buyer about such an issue and loose say.....a grand on the deal thats your choice but you have to accept that peoples attitudes are different, particularly when money is involved and that not everyone else will follow your noble example

Buying and selling anything, not just bikes to make a profit is a game and like all games there will be the winners and the loosers. If you choose to take the moral high ground and be 100% honest 100% of the time you will loose.

As to if I would tell someone about a glued in bolt the answer is...... it depends. Factors would include potential consequences and the personal safety of the rider if the bolt failed, how likely it is the bolt will need to be removed in the lifetime of the bike, the cost of the fix and how easy it would be and if I could get away with pleading ignornace over the issue if it was discovered assuming me and the buyer had not agreed on `sold as seen` terms. With the above factors in mind in this situation, NO I wouldnt tell a prospective buyer about the issue. I believe it would be worth taking a chance on and I am quite happy to admit it. BUT...if the bolt in question was safety critical and part of say the braking or suspension system then the situation becomes totaly different and my answer would become YES, in fact I probably wouldnt even sell the bike on without rectifying the issue.

Believe me......my methodology and way of thinking mirrors just about EVERYONE else who is in to try and turn a profit, its just a question of where the line is drawn.

Caveat Emptor and all that   

[adidasguy]

Found this photo - might help decide if the bolt is really critical or more of just extra support for really hard stress on the engine



On sale right now for $20
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Suzuki-GS500-04-Engine-Cases-/290534931520?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43a53b3c40

[burning1]

Interesting photo... But what are we supposed to get out of this? Don't leave your disassembled engine sitting in the rain?

[adidasguy]

Interesting photo... But what are we supposed to get out of this? Don't leave your disassembled engine sitting in the rain?

No, not my engine.
Interesting to see what the bolts go through and where they are.
Thought it was interesting. Don't often see pictures of an opened up engine.

[gs500e]

My best guesstimate of which holes it is, from the pics shown so far (circled in pink):


Being as it is directly next to what appears to be a bearing journal for the transmission (my best guess)....
.... I wouldn't ride it without that bolt in there.

[Big Rich]

This is just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth. But I would ride it with that broken bolt. Not for the life of the bike, but the rest of the season for sure. There is still a lot of force holding the 2 halves together.