What do you think the Occupy movement is about ?

[yamahonkawazuki]

Title says it all.
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Buddha.

it seems to be people get out of school and think theyre qualified to be insta CEO. not one of them can offer 2 propositions. none of them can. 2 props. one short term, and one long term. solutions to the percieved problem. ive yet to ee a single viable alternative

[Electrojake]

Didn't mean to inhibit the thread. Post pulled.
So then. . .
What is this Occupy movement really about?

[mab32]

It's the same mindless, confused, craps we get every generation.
No direction, no moral compass, and way too much time on their hands.

[Electrojake]

It's the same mindless, confused, craps we get every generation.
No direction, no moral compass, and way too much time on their hands.

The more I read here the more comfortable I get.

[The Buddha]

So I tell her quick write down the address, and lets send this box of syringes to them. She starts laughing and says yea I'll put this sugar in a zip lock bag and send it along.

Cool.
Buddha.

Classic I love it please tell me use did.

I wish ... well maybe se still could, we have the syringes still.
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Buddha.

[madjak30]

All we are doing is playing the blame game.. and in the end everyone is as guilty as the next guy! Ppl are to lazy to get their ass up and do something, congress is to rich and happy to make any changes cuz face it who would give them self a pay cut??? ...

Corporate America is the same as congress... once again who will give them self a pay cut? I know i wouldn't!
This is where the ppl should have done something during the bush/chaynie presidency but hey last time i checked all Americans wait until the last possible min to get anything done lol. thats just the world we live in, when the ppl become more progressive then the country will follow!

For the most part, I agree with this...the problem is us...(talking globally here...since I'm Canadian)...the banks were only providing services that the people were demanding (yes, they could have limited the risk by not allowing people to take loans out for more than the assets were worth...but...)...b!tching about student loans that they can't afford to payback because of lack of jobs...well, maybe they should have looked at the market to see what was required before signing up for education just to check out of society...I mean really, where does an arts degree get you...or a degree in literature...

I started taking Electronics Engineering Technology back in 1989...the market moved away from that requirement (while I was enjoying my beer drinking and woman chasing)...when I came out of school with my debt there were only a hand full of jobs (that went to the guys/gals that were more serious about getting the education), so I was left to get room mates and work odd jobs to get by...eventually one of my odd jobs proved to have an opportunity for advancement...so management here I come...at that point I was 28, married and a kid on the way...stress thru the roof (due to lower pay, high debt and preggo wifey...wow hormones really mess a woman up!!)...time for a change...I took up a trade and haven't looked back...it took me 10yrs to pay off those student loans and by then I had two more kids...

The government didn't save my a$$, I did...I made changes and went through some pretty rough times, but I made it and I think I am a better person for it...and I don't think I am any different from anyone else, I just made a choice and worked my way through the tough bits...

Our society is so focused on "Keeping up with the Jones'", that we don't even see what we already have...quit worrying about getting the latest iPad & that new model SUV with the "Bling Bling" wheels...the bigger house with hardwood and granite counter tops...I was so stuck on achieving that I lost sight of that for a while and I am just as much a consumer as the next guy, but I am working on adjusting my lifestyle so that if things do crap out, I won't get pushed out of my home and have nothing...I will still buy a new vehicle (or maybe a new to me vehicle  ), but I will keep them until maintaining is more expensive (or I'm working on it more than I am driving it) than getting something newer and more reliable instead of every 3-4yrs...quit looking for the next house and actually enjoy the one I have (I've never renewed a mortgage...always have upgraded or moved)...instead of looking to move further up the ladder, just do the best I can with the position I already have...spend more time with the kids, because they aren't kids for very long...

And as for blaming politicians...if you don't vote, you can't b!tch!!

And someone already mentioned that the person that you vote in is really just a figure head...they are told what to do and say by their "advisors" so vote for the party that most matches your personal values, not for the guy that says the right things at that time...it's all just propaganda to get into power...it's the party values that will be the decider...but not voting says that you don't care, and they can do what they want...

Later.

[The Buddha]

Madjak - in the US most people's votes are irrelevant. Re districting has made sure of that. Winner take all politics has left very little choice.

The second deal is, you vote for the one that aligns with your values. OK there in lies a huge caveat. If you have 2 candidates who are close to your values and you vote for one, guess what, neither of these 2 will win. Happens time and time again.
Occupy fools are protesting what I view as republican actions - while I count them as basically whiny little cry babies I do count them as democrappy cry babies mostly. They are of no relevance to the 2012 election really except if they field a candidate. That will essentially hand the election to Mint/Perry/Backman/Newt/Ron/Herman.

Ineffect that would be the biggest reason I'd vote for anyone on the republican ticket. OWS thinks they are a real community ... sad.

Then they can cry about how no one told them about splitting votes and no one taught them fractions. Then wait till the weather is warmer and come and occupy some irrelevant part of the city. As I know and now y'all should ahve heard too, wall street is not the center of financial process, it is all automated and sitting on some servers in south jersey or in Missouri or in some little 4X8 room in India.

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Buddha.

[madjak30]

Everybody feels that way...in Canada our national voting is usually won before it gets out west...it's just a sheer numbers thing...but if it is close when it comes out here...then we decide...

We only get to vote in a seat for our local area, and yes vote splitting can have a fairly major effect on the vote...but the person with the most votes wins the seat...the party with the most seats wins the race...so no, it's not a direct numbers thing, but if you don't vote then your voice isn't heard at all...even though it isn't clearly heard if you do...

But like I said...if you don't vote, you shouldn't have any right to b!tch...silence isn't deffening in politics, because there is always someone trying to be heard...so if you don't say anything, someone will still win...but you need to speak up and vote...

Just my view...

Later.

[The Buddha]

If there isn't either one that speaks to me positively or negatively ... I am going to stay away. If I get positively motivated by someone I'd vote for them. If I am negatively motivated by someone I'd vote for the opposition candidate that is most lilkely to win. No sense voting for Buchanan cos you hate Al Bore. In a close election any vote for any one other than the second is a vote for the winner.You hate Al Bore you needed to vote for Bush. And vice versa. A vote for nader is a vote for bush.

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Buddha.

[madjak30]

So explain to me how that is different from not voting...isn't not voting a vote for Bush? (using the same logic)

I just don't see how not voting is better, other than you don't have to move your a$$ down to the voting booth...I'm surprised that you are a non-voter...you always have an opinion, or are you just an arm chair politician? 

Maybe you should run for office??

Later.

[Electrojake]

The government didn't save my a$$, I did...I made changes and went through some pretty rough times, but I made it and I think I am a better person for it...and I don't think I am any different from anyone else, I just made a choice and worked my way through the tough bits...

It's called WORK madjak.
You "worked" you way through your problems.
Education is wonderful if you can afford it, but not everyone can. Tuff crap. Life is difficult, but that conversation is for another thread.
But a survivor (such as yourself) will endure and frequently excel regardless of how the cards are stacked.
From reading your previous post, I would say your most valuable possessions are things a rich man's money cannot buy anyway. You've done well madjak, and you're probably still moving foward.

As for The Buddha. . .
I'll betcha' his entrepreneurship is the key to his impeccable survival skills. 
-Ej-

[Toogoofy317]

I really just don't feel bad for these kids there are all kinds of opportunities out there if you aren't sitting on your a$$ at school. Been doing research at my school UCF there are so many resources here  for free (well covered in your tuition) if these kids are not using it then they are stupid! I'm working on a research proposal there are places to go so that a professor will look over it and help you, I need help with formatting and Word they have seminars that teach you how to do it or any other Office program, your interested in undergrad research there is a whole dept to help you figure out what you want to do, want to get into your career a whole center that will help you get your resume together do practice interviews, and networking opportunities invaluable.  I was walking across campus to find the co-op and internship placement center and asked a professor turned out she was a professor in my department and was impressed that I drove the 41 miles one way to come over. She gave me her name and asked if I wanted to do an internship give her a call!

So, yeah if you don't look or try your gonna fail!
Mary

[yamahonkawazuki]

agreed mary. well said. those people occupying this or that. or the unemployed for 2 years etc. takeANY job you can get until your job you lost, or the one that you studied for opens up. if you are able to work that is. and i agree. if you dont vote, youve no right to Buddha Loves You. whether it counts or not, only way youd lose your right to vote, is through your own actions. if you cant get to a polling place you can absentee vote. there are no excuses.

[madjak30]

I think yama kinda hit a good point...

it seems to be people get out of school and think theyre qualified to be insta CEO.

They are all expecting to get "special treatment" because they have gone to school...your education gets your foot in the door, not a corner office...they don't realize that they still have to work their way up the ladder!!

It's not that there are no jobs, there are just no jobs that they feel aren't "below" them...people with business degrees still start in the purchasing dept or as an administrator and work their way to team lead, then section manager, then maybe a project accountant...not a junior vice president position...

It's taken me eight years with this company to get where I am, and I'm just at the bottom of the management pole...(maybe one rung up)...even within the same role there are pay scale differences...some of our guys think that once they get to be a Field Superintendent, they should make the same as all the rest...even if they are comparing themselves to a guy that has been a Super for over 10-15yrs...do your time, and prove yourself...that's all I can say...

You have to put in the time to make the dime!!

Later.

[yamahonkawazuki]

EXACTLY. i have certifications for motircycle manufacturers that i cannot use now since i cannot legally drive. no shop will hire a personto work on a bike who cannot ride one. ( legally ) that and health is shot but thats another story lol. but youre right. your education, gets your foot in teh door. you are still teh FNG. or sometimes not even that. just a JAFO. the occupy people want the ceo pay.  but then theyll be the person theyre protesting against. so since they want the executives to give it all up, htey can just save themselves some trouble, and work for free. that way they get the job and they get the ceo pay, but they also get to give up what they want others. other than themselves to give up. these people are more LW than RW people. but that would be disrespectful to the LW peeps, il say they are fringe groups. kinda extreme. same group that wants everythign to be equal. , kinda like NDP in canada, or oursocialists here in the US> , want everyone else to give everything. but i wonder how many of them would do as they preach?, if htey bust their ass to get to CEO pos. will they give up 70+% of their pay that they busted arse to get, to someone who refuses to do so. or hasnt yet, OR say they hit hte powerball since they want all things to be equal, will they give up 70% of their winnings ?, i seriously  do NOT see that happening.

[The Buddha]

So explain to me how that is different from not voting...isn't not voting a vote for Bush? (using the same logic)
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Later.

Yea a non vote = wasted vote = vote for nader = vote for bush. In effect not voting saves you the time.

However I dont vote cos I got my citizenship only 14 months ago. Now I wont vote if there isn't any real difference between the 2 ... like Say Mint vs Obama, meeeh ... Ron Paul get my vote and Michelle Backman means Obama will get my vote. I'd vote for one of the 2 likely ones or not at all ... positive gets my vote and negative gets me to vote for the likeliest opponent.

CEO's are the most over priveleged crap there is. They get dad's $ and go to Harvard for an MBA, then promptly start out as ceo of a small company like the galleon group or BS like that. Their experience as a CEO is what gets them to the next CEO position. Its like being a celebrity. No one works their way up the ladder. They start at the top of the ladder and then get to a bigger and bigger ladder. That's why Idiots like the netflix CEO says he wants to split it into quickster and what not. The fools have no clue. Before you start as the CEO of suzuki, you need to take apart a suzuki put it back together and ride it across town. Like this lady made me coffee @ the grocery store. I told her to tap the basket a few times and wait before yanking the pot. She dumbly asked why ? I said tap it and you'd know. She did, and nice dark coffee ran out. I said that's the best part. That and the first cup. She said great, I dont drink coffee so I dont know. WTF ... however it was @ the bakery and food counter and coffee was just somethign they ahve in the mornings, no need to raise a ruckus there, and she was I dunno 18 - barely. But, sadly I can see that happening @ starbucks as well.

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Buddha.

[JDezle21]

We bailed out the banks, Yet Wall Street investment firms still plan to hand out roughly $14 billion in year-end bonuses...of our money...to the people who f---ed it up int the first place. That is a pretty sick state of affairs if you ask me.

This is about occupy westlake (seattle)
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/tax-the-filthy-rich/Content?oid=4837455

This is not one group of people crying about one set of injustices... There is so much BS that goes on in government that if you stop and think about it's pretty scary.

[Toogoofy317]

My question though is: What is sitting in a park going to do to change things?

Like take me for example. I am in heart failure due to a genetic disease that is more prevalent in down's syndrome yet $20 says you've never even heard of it . Hank Gathers (sp) died of it and several college atheletes. But, very few people are doing research on it. Why? well, no famous people have survived the sudden cardiac arrest to put their name out to raise awareness. So, according to the Occupy movement I should live in a park carrying a sign about how wrong it is that we are not doing something about it. Or what I am presently doing going into a field and working on a proposal to do the research. Along the way my professors see my passion about it and now there is a personal connection to this disease they tell others about how one of their "sick students" is trying to make a difference. Now my doc in Boston who is a researcher as well has heard about it not from me but my local cardiologist who was impressed. Now he wants to see the proposal when I'm done and I may get a summer internship to actually see the need come to fruition.

Just my thoughts,
Mary

[The Buddha]

We bailed out the banks, Yet Wall Street investment firms still plan to hand out roughly $14 billion in year-end bonuses...of our money...to the people who f---ed it up int the first place. That is a pretty sick state of affairs if you ask me.

This is about occupy westlake (seattle)
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/tax-the-filthy-rich/Content?oid=4837455

This is not one group of people crying about one set of injustices... There is so much BS that goes on in government that if you stop and think about it's pretty scary.

Yes shocking, I just heard MF global went under yesterday and they apparently paid 64% of their intake in employee pay. And appraently that is very high, average is close to 50. WTF ... you give $ to your investment fund, and they invest 50% of it ... the rest right there is lost. So you ahve a great year, you made say 10% ... you will leave with $55 if you gave them $100.

Oh yea MF's CEO is John Corzine yes, ex jersey guvnor and Goldman sachs ceo, and he has a golden parachute worth 12mill. Easy $$$.

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Buddha.

[JDezle21]

My question though is: What is sitting in a park going to do to change things?

Like take me for example. I am in heart failure due to a genetic disease that is more prevalent in down's syndrome yet $20 says you've never even heard of it . Hank Gathers (sp) died of it and several college atheletes. But, very few people are doing research on it. Why? well, no famous people have survived the sudden cardiac arrest to put their name out to raise awareness. So, according to the Occupy movement I should live in a park carrying a sign about how wrong it is that we are not doing something about it. Or what I am presently doing going into a field and working on a proposal to do the research. Along the way my professors see my passion about it and now there is a personal connection to this disease they tell others about how one of their "sick students" is trying to make a difference. Now my doc in Boston who is a researcher as well has heard about it not from me but my local cardiologist who was impressed. Now he wants to see the proposal when I'm done and I may get a summer internship to actually see the need come to fruition.

Just my thoughts,
Mary

I agree with many of the "occupy" whatever/wherever people's points, yet I'm not spending my time sitting in a park... I'm working (in Washington, under 15k/year paying 17% tax while John Q Millionaire pay less than 3%) because i simply can't afford not too. But with out someone to step in and say this is F'd up, we aren't going to take this it will happen indefinetely. While also being true it's likely little will change as a result of this, I can at least respect people who are willing to give up some of their comforts to TRY and change an obviously broken system.